Guy joins with 3 admins and a player on and tries to play the game normally nut

[MrStonedOne]

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=33212

[MrStonedOne]

annoying question time: wtf do you do here? from their prospective they tried to play the game normally and got admin'ed, but it was a like 5 pop round they were trying zombies on (like, come on man), but also justice was spawned in as an human from a round start observer (but also its 5 pop so meh), and also the admins on were playing tcg in the holodeck i think?. and also i don't think prog tot handles this kind of pop level anywhere nearly as well as tot could just by giving you freedom to fit your plan to the round.

[Bepis]

at what level of playercount should it just be treated as or just outright be a green shift

also big yikes on the dchat salt

[Bawhoppennn]

I don't know what to think here

[Sightld2]

Traitor gaming while 5 people are on is cringe

[Capsandi]

This wouldn't be an issue if ISS station was in rotation
inb4 "maintainability!" lol its like 5% as big as meta and if you speed up the shuttle timers you have the perfect seeding solution so the server can quickly pivot to standard operations once a critical mass of players is achieved. I want some wolf 359 flavor paranoia in my paranoia ridden space station simulator and that's much more in scope than like half the game at this point. This whole "/TG/ station" Idea has gone way too far like this is bordering on full blown inhuman reactions here like whats "traditional game" about space stations like when i think of "Traditional game" I think of a deer who values stable households and baseball like the fuck is paranoia about an ice planet you can just chill on the surface of while the ""space"" station explodes tf?? The international space station station is staring at your dome like 12 hours a aday(EST) station like what isn't scary about that and there are RESIVOIRS of MENTALLY FORMLESS INDIVIDUALS of THEIR OWN VOLITION and im not saying I have all the answers but I am on all the pages so If anyone was close to answering why theres a goddam space chicken dropping metal cds into the atmosphere for my old man to play on his radio and its not even the classic stuff well it just tells me theres something wrong with the concept okay?

[iwishforducks]

we haven't had some good ol' textbook admin abuse in a while. lol

[toemas]

i dont see a problem with admin abusing someone whos being a nuisance when the pop is that low

[iwishforducks]

lol

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03:16:48	ADMIN	DSAY: Justice12354/(Michaela Schroeder) "Dude, u got 100h. I'm better than you, thx"	(167, 48, 1)	Thunderdome Arena

speed deadmin any% (TRIPLE DELUXE EDITION)

[CMDR_Gungnir]

People who rush their objectives on dead pop have no rights tbh. The game literally just doesn't function at that player count. Take the time to chill out and vibe. Experiment with shit, instead of going out of your way to turn that Dead Pop into No Pop.

[toemas]

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03:16:48	ADMIN	DSAY: Justice12354/(Michaela Schroeder) "Dude, u got 100h. I'm better than you, thx"	(167, 48, 1)	Thunderdome Arena

very very cringe!

[Archie700]

lol, lmao, rofl

[iwishforducks]

also how is this Starlord_Gwyn person admin? they don't even have an admin feedback page. they had a ban appeal at one point apparently? but yet again, no admin feedback page and they're not even in the admin staffing log. unless for some reason forum search is bugging out

[dragomagol]

also how is this Starlord_Gwyn person admin? they don't even have an admin feedback page. they had a ban appeal at one point apparently? but yet again, no admin feedback page and they're not even in the admin staffing log. unless for some reason forum search is bugging out

Might be the underscore viewtopic.php?f=37&t=24831

[iwishforducks]

also how is this Starlord_Gwyn person admin? they don't even have an admin feedback page. they had a ban appeal at one point apparently? but yet again, no admin feedback page and they're not even in the admin staffing log. unless for some reason forum search is bugging out

Might be the underscore viewtopic.php?f=37&t=24831

that'd be it thanks. was just confused on that.

[dragomagol]

Justice probably should have gotten a third party to deal with this in the first place; being the victim of a rulebreak (lowpop murderbone, very cringe!) and taking it into their own hands (kind of administratively? using admin powers?) already makes things pretty sticky. Especially when they were spawned in a player space as what could hazily be described as a player.

I think that spawning in what seems to be a taser (or something that shoots electrodes), killing them, and taunting them in deadchat was not cool.

[iain0]

Weird one... What is it with tots blindly following their objectives even on like 5 pop stations. So you get 69TC and the syndicate love you and .... there's no finale, there's no-one to fight, nothing interesting to do. You can go fire up a private server and literally lone tot, will be about as challenging and exciting overall. Like whats really the point. Sure, if you want to, try not to kill or RR much because there's really not that many people to kill or RR.

In fact, you come across the last two sentiences on the station doing their thing and all you can think of is depopulating the station entirely by romeroling. Then what? Two zombies who probably should gibself/suicide/dnr before they get to the point of getting converted, and even if they did convert, what are they going to do? Fight their creator, because thats all they literally can do. And if they dont convert, grats, one pop station, you win (?)

Why not chill and take the time. And overall this is just kinda sad, my "take" on the TCG is we need a thunderdome or map loadable template for an arena so we can play it without having to exist in the players world on the holodeck. Spawn it inside indestructible walls on z=1 and its an admin haven, safe from any interaction. But the sad part is that this TCG is kinda cool, fun little addition to the game and the holodeck arena is really sweet. Raising awareness of it amogst players overall I think is a neat idea and something fun and different, so I kinda /like/ the idea of it being played out in the holodeck, even if I wouldn't pick that venue myself typically because of likely interactions like this where people only interact to ruin it (doesn't even have to be antags, people turning of the holodeck is similarly unnecessary and annoying).

All in all, meh, last player on the station, unable to do their thing anyway, shuttle called, decides to kill the last two sentiences they could interact with. What next? sit around in silence till the shuttle arrives? might as well be dead, nothing was really lost here.

[Tearling]

Admin casually checking someone's player panel while actively playing the game.

https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ter ... /game.html

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[2023-01-27 03:06:00.607] ADMIN: 03:06:00.607] ADMIN: Starlord_Gwyn/(Gabrielle Quinn) checked the individual player panel for Virescent/(Anastasia Isaman) while in game.

Also, not sure if this is them spawning a tactical energy gun or not. What does it mean to add an energy gun to the list? What list? Logs confuse me.

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[2023-01-27 03:06:36.899] ADMIN: 03:06:36.899] ADMIN: Justice12354/(Michaela Schroeder) modified list's contents: ADDED=the tactical energy gun

I think that spawning in what seems to be a taser (or something that shoots electrodes), killing them, and taunting them in deadchat was not cool.

Here are the logs where they shoot electrodes. Does a tactical energy gun shoot electrodes? How did they shoot electrodes? I'm so confused.
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ter ... attack.txt

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[2023-01-27 03:12:44.933] ATTACK: Justice12354/(Michaela Schroeder) fired at [floor] with the electrode from Recreation Area (Recreation Area (64,114,2))
[2023-01-27 03:12:46.834] ATTACK: Justice12354/(Michaela Schroeder) fired at [floor] with the electrode from Recreation Area (Recreation Area (66,110,2))
[2023-01-27 03:12:46.995] ATTACK: Justice12354/(Michaela Schroeder) shot Virescent/(Anastasia Isaman) with the electrode (NEWHP: 99)  (Recreation Area (66,109,2))
[2023-01-27 03:12:47.441] ATTACK: Justice12354/(Michaela Schroeder) fired at [Recreation Area] with the electrode from Recreation Area (Recreation Area (68,109,2))
[2023-01-27 03:12:48.261] ATTACK: Justice12354/(Michaela Schroeder) fired at Virescent/(Anastasia Isaman) with the electrode from Recreation Area (NEWHP: 99)  (Recreation Area (68,109,2))
[2023-01-27 03:12:48.395] ATTACK: Justice12354/(Michaela Schroeder) shot Virescent/(Anastasia Isaman) with the electrode (NEWHP: 99)  (Recreation Area (68,109,2))

Edit:
I just noticed after posting this. Were Gwyn and Justice metacomming? Shortly after Gwyn checked Virescent's player panel Justice seemed to spawn in the tactical energy gun.
Pardon my ignorance, but can you see if someone's a traitor from their player panel, and is the "modified list's contents" Justice spawning an energy gun?

[Rageguy505]

its a security ERT e-gun that has a taser option

[Bawhoppennn]

I just noticed after posting this. Were Gwyn and Justice metacomming?

I mean in fairness literally everyone metacomms when there's <5 players online

[Tearling]

I just noticed after posting this. Were Gwyn and Justice metacomming?

I mean in fairness literally everyone metacomms when there's <5 players online

It is an object of interest as to whether or not the admins were communicating in an admin channel or privately outside of tgstation entirely. If they were chatting in an admin channel they might have said something there that would be of interest, and if it was off tgstation entirely it's just sus.

[dragomagol]

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It is an object of interest as to whether or not the admins were communicating in an admin channel or privately outside of tgstation entirely. If they were chatting in an admin channel they might have said something there that would be of interest, and if it was off tgstation entirely it's just sus.

I doubt highly that they were metacomming. They had been talking IC up to that point, why switch suddenly? The two logs you're referencing come shortly after this exchange:

[2023-01-27 03:05:00.926] SAY: Virescent/(Anastasia Isaman) "Heyo" (Recreation Area (64,111,2))
[2023-01-27 03:05:14.918] SAY: Virescent/(Anastasia Isaman) "Hope you dont mind me turning you into zombies" (Recreation Area (64,111,2))
[2023-01-27 03:05:19.710] SAY: Justice12354/(Michaela Schroeder) "uh" (Recreational Holodeck (59,115,2))
[2023-01-27 03:05:23.349] SAY: Justice12354/(Michaela Schroeder) "We kinda do, actually" (Recreational Holodeck (59,115,2))
[2023-01-27 03:05:23.460] SAY: Starlord_Gwyn/(Gabrielle Quinn) "we&#39;ll just keep playing" (Recreational Holodeck (59,110,2))
[2023-01-27 03:05:25.484] SAY: Virescent/(Anastasia Isaman) "I got romerool" (Recreation Area (64,111,2))
[2023-01-27 03:05:26.878] SAY: Virescent/(Anastasia Isaman) "Cmoon" (Recreation Area (64,111,2))
[2023-01-27 03:05:37.491] SAY: Starlord_Gwyn/(Gabrielle Quinn) "you can but then we&#39;ll just be zombie gamers." (Recreational Holodeck (59,110,2))
[2023-01-27 03:05:41.909] SAY: Justice12354/(Michaela Schroeder) "We need hands to play" (Recreational Holodeck (59,115,2))

so they're probably just both reacting to that. And yeah you can open up the traitor panel through the player panel to see if someone's an antag.

[datorangebottle]

I just noticed after posting this. Were Gwyn and Justice metacomming?

I mean in fairness literally everyone metacomms when there's <5 players online

"literally everyone"
[citation needed]

[Bawhoppennn]

I just noticed after posting this. Were Gwyn and Justice metacomming?

I mean in fairness literally everyone metacomms when there's <5 players online

"literally everyone"
[citation needed]

OH NO, you are not gonna bait me into confessing to my crimes
I did not have metacomm relations with that admin

[datorangebottle]

I just noticed after posting this. Were Gwyn and Justice metacomming?

I mean in fairness literally everyone metacomms when there's <5 players online

"literally everyone"
[citation needed]

OH NO, you are not gonna bait me into confessing to my crimes
I did not have metacomm relations with that admin

[Tearling]

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It is an object of interest as to whether or not the admins were communicating in an admin channel or privately outside of tgstation entirely. If they were chatting in an admin channel they might have said something there that would be of interest, and if it was off tgstation entirely it's just sus.

I doubt highly that they were metacomming. They had been talking IC up to that point, why switch suddenly? The two logs you're referencing come shortly after this exchange:

[2023-01-27 03:05:00.926] SAY: Virescent/(Anastasia Isaman) "Heyo" (Recreation Area (64,111,2))
[2023-01-27 03:05:14.918] SAY: Virescent/(Anastasia Isaman) "Hope you dont mind me turning you into zombies" (Recreation Area (64,111,2))
[2023-01-27 03:05:19.710] SAY: Justice12354/(Michaela Schroeder) "uh" (Recreational Holodeck (59,115,2))
[2023-01-27 03:05:23.349] SAY: Justice12354/(Michaela Schroeder) "We kinda do, actually" (Recreational Holodeck (59,115,2))
[2023-01-27 03:05:23.460] SAY: Starlord_Gwyn/(Gabrielle Quinn) "we&#39;ll just keep playing" (Recreational Holodeck (59,110,2))
[2023-01-27 03:05:25.484] SAY: Virescent/(Anastasia Isaman) "I got romerool" (Recreation Area (64,111,2))
[2023-01-27 03:05:26.878] SAY: Virescent/(Anastasia Isaman) "Cmoon" (Recreation Area (64,111,2))
[2023-01-27 03:05:37.491] SAY: Starlord_Gwyn/(Gabrielle Quinn) "you can but then we&#39;ll just be zombie gamers." (Recreational Holodeck (59,110,2))
[2023-01-27 03:05:41.909] SAY: Justice12354/(Michaela Schroeder) "We need hands to play" (Recreational Holodeck (59,115,2))

so they're probably just both reacting to that. And yeah you can open up the traitor panel through the player panel to see if someone's an antag.

Fair point!

[MooCow12]

Code issue, its generally seen as following your objectives is the only thing that is 100% sanctioned as an antagonist, regardless of pop, if those objectives are too much for low pop then dont have anyone with those objectives on low pop. (Greenshift)

IMO the game would be healthier if threat was generated per living non antag who`s existence was flagged as proper & part of the round (so round start individuals are flagged, ghost role like charlie station isnt, posibrains are flagged, adminspawned people are not but an admin can set the flag).

Burst of threat generation based on flag count at the start, followed by constant threat generation based on active flag count.

And ofcourse, cap antagonists based on player count.

[cybersaber101]

What kind of turbo soy bores himself to death as traitor and then tries to bore everyone else to death while waiting for a(eventually) boring shuttle call at 5 pop?

[Turbonerd]

The tot murderboning in lowpop showed no empathy, someone needs to take him out. I think the admins could've ahelped, but it was 5 pop and the tot literally held the round hostage.

The player probably opened themselves up to getting banned by opening this complaint, they're an obvious bad faith player.

[Drag]

I definitely think that antags need a pop count cap, there is nothing engaging about having an antagonist when there's only four people to fight them. Security is just as much as an antagonists job content as an antagonist is to security.

Also Justice absolutely would have benifted from pinging supportmins to come help, there's nothing that says you can't playmin if there's no other admins but you 100% should get another admin if you end up involved in a situation.

[Thaumic]

So I gotta ask, this thing is on the tg wiki

4. Lone antagonists can do whatever they want.

Except metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals.

So whats the real rule then since this one is apparently fake? I dont see anything bout lowpop murderbone in the precedents of both rule 1 and 4 so i am confused. Please tell me if i missed something
I also legitimately dont understand why you would get mad that someone interrupted your game with your admin buttbuddy. It is ss13. Why wouldnt you just not play ss13 and play a coop game if the idea of an actual fucking traitor killing you is so heinous. it is part of the fucking game. what the fuck is wrong with your administration

[BONERMASTER]

Being in any kind of administrative position and having JUSTICE in your name is an immediate redflag.

Other than that, I would have gone further and teleported them into the gibber and laughed frivolously at their demise. So they actually got off easy.

If you're already going to handwave all of the shitty admin behavior (you know who), you don't have to start being uptight now.


With warm regards
-BONERMASTER

[Archie700]

There were 3 admins active in the logs Misdoubtful posted. (Starlord_Gwyn, Justice12354 and Iain0)

Given Gwyn and Justice were both playeradmins in that situation, the ideal way would be to let Iain handle this, since he was directly watching the area.

Having said that, the murderboning tot had to be punished in some way and Justice most likely reacted in the moment.

[Archie700]

So I gotta ask, this thing is on the tg wiki

4. Lone antagonists can do whatever they want.

Except metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals.

So whats the real rule then since this one is apparently fake? I dont see anything bout lowpop murderbone in the precedents of both rule 1 and 4 so i am confused. Please tell me if i missed something
I also legitimately dont understand why you would get mad that someone interrupted your game with your admin buttbuddy. It is ss13. Why wouldnt you just not play ss13 and play a coop game if the idea of an actual fucking traitor killing you is so heinous. it is part of the fucking game. what the fuck is wrong with your administration

Deadpop murderbone is a rule 12 violation under "play-to-win" with elements of rule 1. Of course, this requires invoking Rule 0.

[datorangebottle]

doing tot on deadpop and acting like there's 70 people on is shit. how are you even still having fun at that point, come on. you're not roleplaying with anyone, you're not kicking anyone's ass, you're just... sitting there, staring at bars as they fill up, until you get a final objective. like, congrats?
admin power abuse is also shit. if you're gonna go for getting a valid admin complaint by spawning in items to your benefit, you might as well just right click -> gib him and go back to your card game.
guy absolutely deserved it though. what kind of singleminded dickhead goes around turning people horizontal when 5 people are on the server?

[Tearling]

The player probably opened themselves up to getting banned by opening this complaint, they're an obvious bad faith player.

Banning them, or punishing them in any way for posting an admin complaint would set a terrible precedent.
Especially because the admin did do pretty much exactly what they're alleging.

Well, the admin doesn't seem to be very apologetic about it anyways.
ADMIN: DSAY: Justice12354/(Michaela Schroeder) "Will do it again and again" (Thunderdome Arena (172,52,1))

[Timberpoes]

This is a land mine.

Spawning weapons in so you can play singleplayer coop on the station z-level as a DMPC is a big, big yikes. Acting like you did nothing wrong afterwards is a big, big yikes.

DMPCs are waaaaaaay more restricted than DMs. Every single admin should know the second their character steps foot on the station z-level they are now also player character.

If we don't allow antags to antag properly on lowpop, we should probably look to disable creating them entirely until they're allowed to kill.

You can still handle overt rule breakers in the capacity of an admin event runner where someone impacts or ruins your event, but I struggle to call 2 admins in the holodrck playing TCG as the kind of event covered by the spirit of that.

The ruling restricting lowpop murderbone is also waaaaay less prominent than the rule allowing antags to do whatever they want, and fixing that is as trivial as including it right there in rule 4 with a definition of lowpop. That would be an easy win for this term.

[CMDR_Gungnir]

This is a land mine.

Spawning weapons in so you can play singleplayer coop on the station z-level as a DMPC is a big, big yikes. Acting like you did nothing wrong afterwards is a big, big yikes.

DMPCs are waaaaaaay more restricted than DMs. Every single admin should know the second their character steps foot on the station z-level they are now also player character.

If we don't allow antags to antag properly on lowpop, we should probably look to disable creating them entirely until they're allowed to kill.

You can still handle overt rule breakers in the capacity of an admin event runner where someone impacts or ruins your event, but I struggle to call 2 admins in the holodrck playing TCG as the kind of event covered by the spirit of that.

The ruling restricting lowpop murderbone is also waaaaay less prominent than the rule allowing antags to do whatever they want, and fixing that is as trivial as including it right there in rule 4 with a definition of lowpop. That would be an easy win for this term.

Wouldn't it be a rather simple case of the Spirit of Rule 4? Rule 1 is the biggest and most important rule. Rule 4 exists to allow antags to be able to play the game properly and do their stuff without running afoul of escalation policy and the like. Much like you can still run afoul of Rule 8 despite the existence of Rule 4, wouldn't they still be able to run afoul of Rule 1 if they're being a dickhead by, say, trying to set the Total Station Population from 5 to 0 when everyone else is just kinda minding their own business and doing their own things?

[Boris]

The fact that lowpop murderboning is incredibly cringe and absolutely something you'll get bwoinked for doesn't make this not clear-cut admin abuse.

[kieth4]

You cannot punish a player for doing objs on lowpop SURELY. Words like murderbone are being thrown around but it doesn't seem like this to me at least... The players on the holodeck were also kinda...rude? Like, they weren't nice to the antag here they basically told them to fuck off and the antag acted in turn to fuck them over. Seems fair to me!

[WineAllWine]

This is a land mine.

Spawning weapons in so you can play singleplayer coop on the station z-level as a DMPC is a big, big yikes. Acting like you did nothing wrong afterwards is a big, big yikes.

DMPCs are waaaaaaay more restricted than DMs. Every single admin should know the second their character steps foot on the station z-level they are now also player character.

If we don't allow antags to antag properly on lowpop, we should probably look to disable creating them entirely until they're allowed to kill.

You can still handle overt rule breakers in the capacity of an admin event runner where someone impacts or ruins your event, but I struggle to call 2 admins in the holodrck playing TCG as the kind of event covered by the spirit of that.

The ruling restricting lowpop murderbone is also waaaaay less prominent than the rule allowing antags to do whatever they want, and fixing that is as trivial as including it right there in rule 4 with a definition of lowpop. That would be an easy win for this term.

Once again, Ocelot has the correct opinion

Also, not sure if this is them spawning a tactical energy gun or not. What does it mean to add an energy gun to the list? What list? Logs confuse me.

Pardon my ignorance, but can you see if someone's a traitor from their player panel, and is the "modified list's contents" Justice spawning an energy gun?

Adding it to a list probably means they added it to an object's contents, e.g adding it to a backpack.
From a PP I don't think you can see tot status; but it's trivial to check in ways that aren't logged

[Misdoubtful]

If we don't allow antags to antag properly on lowpop, we should probably look to disable creating them entirely until they're allowed to kill.

This was my thought last night but I never got to posting it because I was condensing the logs.

Seems like a population breakpoints issue. Either for the number of antags (any I guess) or for prog tot objectives availability.

If we didn't want there to be low pop antags or the ability for low pop antags to get legendary objectives, then why is it coded the way it is?

If we want antags to have a certain range in low pop, then why is it coded the way it is?

If this is the reality people need to be expecting, codify it. Make it VERY clear to people during low pop, even if that boils down to a giant obnoxious prompt telling antags they can't kill or be a dick because there are less than exactly 12 people in the station (arbitrary garbage). Sowwwwwwy!

I can't stand precedents like this that set people up for failure because the coded gameplay implies one thing and everything else implies another.

Don't want low pop antags that might just get an objective that involves killing? Remove them.

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Did they make the choice to go for that objective? Absolutely.

Did the game give them the option to though? Absolutely.

Could the admin have loaded up the new card game on a private server if they didn't want to be disturbed? Absolutely.

Could the admin have loaded up the new card gane by spawning in the map template at the 'admin z level'? Absolutely.

Did the admin decide to harass the player instead of being professional? Absolutely.

Could the admin have gotten a third party involved? Absolutely.

Did the admin take one of the most nuclear options instead of opening a ticket? Absolutely.

Don't cheat. Never use admin powers on yourself if you are playing or planning on playing the round. Do not use your admin verbs to gain yourself an IC advantage.

No Attacks/harassment towards players

[Virescent]

Hey there, cringe antag player in question here. So to explain myself a bit deeper to critics:
During the last interaction, I've pressed a bit harder on the two players in the holodeck, but nothing insulting, just an attempt to convince them. Of course they were against it. The whole time, I was totally split between doing the asshole move and leaving them alone. During the final part of the conversation, I was leaning a bit more to leave them alone and maybe test out antag gear or something. But the admin's final, rude remark have pushed me to the "Yep, gonna be asshole and gonna enjoy it!" so I took out X-4, put it on their doors and after explosion, tried to finish them off both.
The reason why I even bothered antagging was because I never reached Legendary tasks (except the Battlecruiser one but on a shuttle that was already going to CC) and wanted to try it out. I also never had Romerol in my hands so yea, I really wanted to try it.

[Misdoubtful]

Hey there, cringe antag player in question here. So to explain myself a bit deeper to critics:
During the last interaction, I've pressed a bit harder on the two players in the holodeck, but nothing insulting, just an attempt to convince them. Of course they were against it. The whole time, I was totally split between doing the asshole move and leaving them alone. During the final part of the conversation, I was leaning a bit more to leave them alone and maybe test out antag gear or something. But the admin's final, rude remark have pushed me to the "Yep, gonna be asshole and gonna enjoy it!" so I took out X-4, put it on their doors and after explosion, tried to finish them off both.
The reason why I even bothered antagging was because I never reached Legendary tasks (except the Battlecruiser one but on a shuttle that was already going to CC) and wanted to try it out. I also never had Romerol in my hands so yea, I really wanted to try it.

People are just focusing too much on what you did rather than the concept of an admin complaint. Your gameplay isn't what's in question here and you honestly don't have to defend it, just your complaint against conduct.

[WineAllWine]

People are acting like "oh player did a bad thing and so admin did a bad thing so it's ok"

Absolutely not. Admins MUST be held to a higher level of scrutiny, and even ignoring that, the player did an annoying but not rule-breaking thing

[Misdoubtful]

I was about to edit my post to include that, thanks.

[Virescent]

Hey there, cringe antag player in question here. So to explain myself a bit deeper to critics:
During the last interaction, I've pressed a bit harder on the two players in the holodeck, but nothing insulting, just an attempt to convince them. Of course they were against it. The whole time, I was totally split between doing the asshole move and leaving them alone. During the final part of the conversation, I was leaning a bit more to leave them alone and maybe test out antag gear or something. But the admin's final, rude remark have pushed me to the "Yep, gonna be asshole and gonna enjoy it!" so I took out X-4, put it on their doors and after explosion, tried to finish them off both.
The reason why I even bothered antagging was because I never reached Legendary tasks (except the Battlecruiser one but on a shuttle that was already going to CC) and wanted to try it out. I also never had Romerol in my hands so yea, I really wanted to try it.

People are just focusing too much on what you did rather than the concept of an admin complaint. Your gameplay isn't what's in question here and you honestly don't have to defend it, just your complaint against conduct.

Fair enough. I just felt like pointing it out since people ignore it completely and I honestly don't feel like being hated by the players.

[Striders13]

You shouldn't completely abstain from doing anything antagonistic if you roll antag on deadpop. There's a major difference between cremating every player 10 minutes in and simply going for final objective, as you actually let the round progress for a while. Really dont think the traitor did anything wrong here.

[Thaumic]

The only mistake he made was not maxcapping the admin circlejerk
No more half measures walt

[kieth4]

These are going to be my full thoughts typed out now that I've looked at all the logs.

They attempted interaction! They went up to the admins and were talking to them until they decided to just start...ignoring the player. Could they have not gone "you know what, let us finish our game then sure!" or something along those lines instead of going to full-out BLANK the person? The traitor In this scenario is fully in their right to retaliate antagonistically, they attempted to good faith convince them and speak to them which failed. The station is a shared space and not a private one so it was a cringe move by the admins playing and an entirely acceptable one by the player in my book.

Even looking at the above point, the admins that are spawned in should not be retaliating against the player regardless. They're not members of the round, they've spawned themselves in administratively for the sole purpose of doing something. What gives them the right to retaliate against a player (who's playing the game) when they're able to respawn themselves and spawn shit etc. If they wanted to play in private they have a whole private z level where no one would touch you! Clear cut case of admins abusing their powers because they don't want to interact with players in the round.

For those calling the player a "murderboner" and calling them "cringe" they were just doing objectives. If you want to be free from traitors and from objectives at all times you can boot up your own epic space station and play there with no tots. There should always be some semblance of worry, the idea shouldn't be pushed that "oh there are under 10 players which means this will be a completely safe shift for me to do whatever I want because the traitor will be friendly tee-hee!" In this case, the traitor ATTEMPTED to negotiate but there was little to no actual negotiation from the admins so they got clapped. If they came up wordlessly and killed the two admins, I'd agree that their actions were cringe. But that's simply not what happened. To quote the description of the game,

"Space Station 13 is a paranoia-laden round-based roleplaying game set against the backdrop of a nonsensical, metal death trap masquerading as a space station, with charming spritework designed to represent the sci-fi setting and its dangerous undertones. Have fun, and survive!"

Paranoia shouldn't just vanish because it's lowpop.

The D-chat is super disappointing. I'm not sure why the rest of the admins decided to dogpile the player with accusations of being an asshole. Especially seeing the admins abuse their powers and still have the gall to go "you're an asshole". Incredibly disappointing behaviour to see. No one challenged the admin who was abusing (despite the other admins(4) obviously witnessing it). Very saddening.

The player did absolutely nothing wrong, they were simply playing the game within all the rules and got abused for it. Very clear cut case for the headmins.