world's last ye stan peanut

[bastardblaster]

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[Omega_DarkPotato]

classical "i will go into polcon and be antisemitic" "oh shit the jannies" "uhhhh 6 gazillion" >banned

long, expressive essays are for people who are worth the time to speak to and have a capability to learn from their mistakes

I do not think an internet troll that hits with "6 gazillion" is worth the time to speak to
apologies to anyone who had hoped otherwise

[Turbonerd]

What a dumb bitch.

[iwishforducks]

What a dumb bitch.

^

[datorangebottle]

What a dumb bitch.

Rare agreeable turbonerd take.

[Vekter]

>Be in a Discord server that has a rule that actively bans bigotry of any form
>Say you agree with a literal Nazi and make a Holocaust joke when you get called out on it
>Get upset when you're banned for it

I don't know what to tell ya, bud. Go be shitty somewhere else.

[Qbmax32]

rolled

[Timonk]

I honestly think he was just trolling and didn't deserve it

However it may also be Poe's law so idk

[conrad]

Imagine jebaiting yourself.

[Vekter]

I honestly think he was just trolling and didn't deserve it

However it may also be Poe's law so idk

The problem is that you can't tell if someone's trolling or not so we have to treat every situation like they're not.

Even if he is trolling/being "ironic", we don't want actual Nazi sympathizers to see someone talking like that in our server and think they're welcome here.

[rasonj]

When I first read the appeal I thought it was something that happened months or a year ago. The fact that the appeal was posted the same day and the appealant managed to conveniently "misremember" literally everything about why they were banned really shows a lack of good faith

[Super Aggro Crag]

i don't go into political channels because people say dumb shit in there

[ekaterina]

When I first read the appeal I thought it was something that happened months or a year ago. The fact that the appeal was posted the same day and the appealant managed to conveniently "misremember" literally everything about why they were banned really shows a lack of good faith

I don't think he "misremembered" - he just straight-up didn't know.
Unlike game bans, which clearly tell you the ban reason as listed by the admin, Discord's bans are an absolute shit show.
One moment a server's on your list, and the next moment it isn't - you don't know why, when or by who you've been banned - sometimes you don't even realise you've been banned.
There should be some sort of public list of Discord bans, like there is for game bans, so you can check why you've been banned.

As to the peanut itself: this guy got a permanent ban over saying some dumb words. How anyone can defend the admin's action here is beyond me.

[vect0r]

When I first read the appeal I thought it was something that happened months or a year ago. The fact that the appeal was posted the same day and the appealant managed to conveniently "misremember" literally everything about why they were banned really shows a lack of good faith

I don't think he "misremembered" - he just straight-up didn't know.
Unlike game bans, which clearly tell you the ban reason as listed by the admin, Discord's bans are an absolute shit show.
One moment a server's on your list, and the next moment it isn't - you don't know why, when or by who you've been banned - sometimes you don't even realise you've been banned.
There should be some sort of public list of Discord bans, like there is for game bans, so you can check why you've been banned.

As to the peanut itself: this guy got a permanent ban over saying some dumb words. How anyone can defend the admin's action here is beyond me.

It's not a server ban, it's a discord ban

[Super Aggro Crag]

yeah and the official discord sucks dog shit, i got permabanned from there for telling oranges to stop fucking @ing me constantly. being banned from there is literally beneficial to enjoy the game because no one says anything of value in there.

[Kendrickorium]

oh lord

this could have all been avoided if someone just officially made pol offtopic into starsector main chat

[Kendrickorium]

i mean i'm just saying

[Timberpoes]

yeah and the official discord sucks dog shit, i got permabanned from there for telling oranges to stop fucking @ing me constantly. being banned from there is literally beneficial to enjoy the game because no one says anything of value in there.

You're not banned and I can see absolutely no sign you have ever been banned. There's no reference to a ban in our logging channels and you have no ban entry in our server ban list.

There's a possibility you were kicked and I think that prevents rejoining for a short time question mark.

[datorangebottle]

oh lord

this could have all been avoided if someone just officially made pol offtopic into starsector main chat

HEY GUYS HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THE HIT INDIE GAME STARSECTOR-

[Vekter]

As to the peanut itself: this guy got a permanent ban over saying some dumb words. How anyone can defend the admin's action here is beyond me.

I can't think of a single take I've seen you make that isn't awful. Is there anything that would convince you that an admin had acted in good faith or done the right thing?

Don't you think 1 year is a little harsh, given that I'm not a "go in, say something racist and get banned" person? I actively play on the server and my messages extend out of the polcon and may go a few weeks before.

No.

[bastardblaster]

When I first read the appeal I thought it was something that happened months or a year ago. The fact that the appeal was posted the same day and the appealant managed to conveniently "misremember" literally everything about why they were banned really shows a lack of good faith

I don't think he "misremembered" - he just straight-up didn't know.
Unlike game bans, which clearly tell you the ban reason as listed by the admin, Discord's bans are an absolute shit show.
One moment a server's on your list, and the next moment it isn't - you don't know why, when or by who you've been banned - sometimes you don't even realise you've been banned.
There should be some sort of public list of Discord bans, like there is for game bans, so you can check why you've been banned.

As to the peanut itself: this guy got a permanent ban over saying some dumb words. How anyone can defend the admin's action here is beyond me.

21 kid voice you stupid

[Super Aggro Crag]

yeah and the official discord sucks dog shit, i got permabanned from there for telling oranges to stop fucking @ing me constantly. being banned from there is literally beneficial to enjoy the game because no one says anything of value in there.

You're not banned and I can see absolutely no sign you have ever been banned. There's no reference to a ban in our logging channels and you have no ban entry in our server ban list.

There's a possibility you were kicked and I think that prevents rejoining for a short time question mark.

guess i could go back but the discord is so bad i never saw the need too

[Kendrickorium]

oh lord

this could have all been avoided if someone just officially made pol offtopic into starsector main chat

HEY GUYS HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THE HIT INDIE GAME STARSECTOR-

TELL ME I AM WRONG

[CMDR_Gungnir]

Besides, looking back at it, what did you get from "6 gazillion"? It's just a vague phrase, it could be related to anything and apparently it's bigotry, even though i see nothing "bigot" here

"Yeah, I said 'Gas the Jews', I meant that I wanted them to have heating and functional stoves to cook on, it's a very vague phrase."

[Boot]

he ment to say gas the bikes street race now it just auto corrected honest mistake.

[ekaterina]

As to the peanut itself: this guy got a permanent ban over saying some dumb words. How anyone can defend the admin's action here is beyond me.

I can't think of a single take I've seen you make that isn't awful. Is there anything that would convince you that an admin had acted in good faith or done the right thing?

I don't think Omega acted in bad faith. That doesn't mean he made the right decision. Good intention, bad reasoning.

Obviously your sample is skewed. People don't make peanuts to congratulate the admins on good decisions, people make peanuts about decisions where there's drama to be had, so you'd only see me talking about the decisions that I think were bad.

[snip]

21 kid voice you stupid

Where does the admin team find all these people that are trusted to enforce game rules but can't even follow forum rules? Third one this week!
And not only that, two of the three think disagreeing with them makes someone stupid, as if they are some omniscient machine that can think no wrong.
If that's how admins view themselves, I'm starting to see where all the bad decisions come from. We need more admins like Gwyn who recognise their own flaws.

[conrad]

ekaterina when you make an effort to go into every single peanut to disagree with the ban it kinda paints a picture that you're just here to disagree with the ban for it's own sake.

[ekaterina]

ekaterina when you make an effort to go into every single peanut to disagree with the ban it kinda paints a picture that you're just here to disagree with the ban for it's own sake.

Implying you have to "make an effort" to disagree with blatantly excessive, if not abusive, bans.

[Turbonerd]

The new Sinful.

[Archie700]

Those "dumb words" were literally well-known anti-semitic memes and he said that a rapper who has been saying anti-semitic garbage, culminating in an interview where he praised Nazis and Hitler. had some good points.



It is very unlikely that the poster posted it in good faith.

[TheLoLSwat]

When I first read the appeal I thought it was something that happened months or a year ago. The fact that the appeal was posted the same day and the appealant managed to conveniently "misremember" literally everything about why they were banned really shows a lack of good faith

As to the peanut itself: this guy got a permanent ban over saying some dumb words. How anyone can defend the admin's action here is beyond me.

words can be pretty powerful. Also,

I dont care for "but but muh vague wording" going into polcon to say 6 gazillion automatically loses all benefit of the doubt and if he wasnt banned for this he probably would have been banned a week later for something similar but with black people

Another thing, ekat this person got banned and then immediately made the appeal, obviously they would correlate vague antisemitic remarks (that an admin asked about no less) with getting banned without question and just didnt mention it to make himself seem better which wasnt done in good faith (which is pretty important for same day permanent appeals, no matter what you are appealing)

[TheLoLSwat]

(cooks)

we were both cooking at the exact same time lol

[Omega_DarkPotato]

oh lord

this could have all been avoided if someone just officially made pol offtopic into starsector main chat

Have you heard about Brigador?
It's got an official book, in both audiobook and PDF formats.
https://youtu.be/0vQLC6ndrUA?list=PLon- ... FQ1MqhD_pH
the first half of the audiobook is free to listen to on youtube, with the book being like ~5 bucks or something like that.

It's written excellently.

The game also slaps, Kraken my beloved (90mm long-rod penetrator canister shell)
Mechs are meant to go through walls and be three story tall metal monsters, anything else is bitchmade. (Caliban gets a pass)

[cedarbridge]

yeah and the official discord sucks dog shit, i got permabanned from there for telling oranges to stop fucking @ing me constantly. being banned from there is literally beneficial to enjoy the game because no one says anything of value in there.

You're not banned and I can see absolutely no sign you have ever been banned. There's no reference to a ban in our logging channels and you have no ban entry in our server ban list.

There's a possibility you were kicked and I think that prevents rejoining for a short time question mark.

Kicks would show in the audit log iirc

Those "dumb words" were literally well-known anti-semitic memes and he said that a rapper who has been saying anti-semitic garbage, culminating in an interview where he praised Nazis and Hitler. had some good points.



It is very unlikely that the poster posted it in good faith.

Which points did he make that the poster alleges were good? If we're talking about good faith we should probably ask instead of just picking our favorites.

[Omega_DarkPotato]

yeah and the official discord sucks dog shit, i got permabanned from there for telling oranges to stop fucking @ing me constantly. being banned from there is literally beneficial to enjoy the game because no one says anything of value in there.

You're not banned and I can see absolutely no sign you have ever been banned. There's no reference to a ban in our logging channels and you have no ban entry in our server ban list.

There's a possibility you were kicked and I think that prevents rejoining for a short time question mark.

Kicks would show in the audit log iirc

Discord's audit log is legitimately fucking horrid, it's got a time limit on it that's vague at best and completely incomprehensible at worst
rule of thumb for it though is anything after a month is lost to time - it's not a log for all of time as it should be

[cedarbridge]

yeah and the official discord sucks dog shit, i got permabanned from there for telling oranges to stop fucking @ing me constantly. being banned from there is literally beneficial to enjoy the game because no one says anything of value in there.

You're not banned and I can see absolutely no sign you have ever been banned. There's no reference to a ban in our logging channels and you have no ban entry in our server ban list.

There's a possibility you were kicked and I think that prevents rejoining for a short time question mark.

Kicks would show in the audit log iirc

Discord's audit log is legitimately fucking horrid, it's got a time limit on it that's vague at best and completely incomprehensible at worst
rule of thumb for it though is anything after a month is lost to time - it's not a log for all of time as it should be

The audit log is almost worse than the search feature.

[Archie700]

Which points did he make that the poster alleges were good? If we're talking about good faith we should probably ask instead of just picking our favorites.

When Omega asked he just posted the "6 gorillion" meme so we might never know for sure

[Omega_DarkPotato]

and locked
none of the headmins particularly cared for the worlds last ye stan either, boo womp

trolls need to learn to get their story straight before they decide to run with it
first it's "some of what kanye said was right hehe 6 gazillion i dont trust the jannies kek", then it's "whoopsie dude i fucked up please forgive me im sure the holocaust was VERY important to people especially the JEWS" then it's "uhhh 6 gazillion??? thats really vague dude i dont know what it was referring to"



if you pay attention here you'll notice that I never mentioned the holocaust myself.
the fact that he acknowledges that "the holocaust was very important" means that he knows he was making fun of it - which doesn't work with his other claim that he doesn't know what "6 gazillion" meant since it was so vague/how it could POSSIBLY be bigotry.

[jastindeep]

I like being labeled a low effort troll despite having constant playtime on server, not much but a medium message history extending out of polcon and going out of my way to write an appeal where I actually acknowledge my mistake and applogize. Totally worth the permaban

[TheLoLSwat]

I like being labeled a low effort troll despite having constant playtime on server, not much but a medium message history extending out of polcon and going out of my way to write an appeal where I actually acknowledge my mistake and applogize. Totally worth the permaban

you broke one of the more important rules on the discord and you are surprised that you got permabanned for it. bigotry isnt allowed and you made a mistake doing it, you should wait a few months atleast to appeal

[Ziiro]

The part that always makes me roll my eyes with dipshits like this is who do you think you're fooling, dude?

"the channel moderators on tg won't realize that I'm using anti-Semitic dog whistles! There's no way they could know! tee hee"

[Turbonerd]

I like being labeled a low effort troll despite having constant playtime on server, not much but a medium message history extending out of polcon and going out of my way to write an appeal where I actually acknowledge my mistake and applogize. Totally worth the permaban

Cope, low effort troll.

[Vekter]

As to the peanut itself: this guy got a permanent ban over saying some dumb words. How anyone can defend the admin's action here is beyond me.

I can't think of a single take I've seen you make that isn't awful. Is there anything that would convince you that an admin had acted in good faith or done the right thing?

I don't think Omega acted in bad faith. That doesn't mean he made the right decision. Good intention, bad reasoning.

He made a Holocaust joke after saying he agreed with a literal, actual Nazi, I really don't know how much more 'bad faith' you can get.

[ekaterina]

As to the peanut itself: this guy got a permanent ban over saying some dumb words. How anyone can defend the admin's action here is beyond me.

I can't think of a single take I've seen you make that isn't awful. Is there anything that would convince you that an admin had acted in good faith or done the right thing?

I don't think Omega acted in bad faith. That doesn't mean he made the right decision. Good intention, bad reasoning.

He made a Holocaust joke after saying he agreed with a literal, actual Nazi, I really don't know how much more 'bad faith' you can get.

... we were talking about the admin having acted in good or bad faith, and now you're talking about the user the admin banned having acted in bad faith.
Is this some incomplete argument about the reasoning I said was bad being valid because the user, according to you, acted in bad faith, or did you just get it mixed up?

[Vekter]

As to the peanut itself: this guy got a permanent ban over saying some dumb words. How anyone can defend the admin's action here is beyond me.

I can't think of a single take I've seen you make that isn't awful. Is there anything that would convince you that an admin had acted in good faith or done the right thing?

I don't think Omega acted in bad faith. That doesn't mean he made the right decision. Good intention, bad reasoning.

He made a Holocaust joke after saying he agreed with a literal, actual Nazi, I really don't know how much more 'bad faith' you can get.

... we were talking about the admin having acted in good or bad faith, and now you're talking about the user the admin banned having acted in bad faith.
Is this some incomplete argument about the reasoning I said was bad being valid because the user, according to you, acted in bad faith, or did you just get it mixed up?

I just misread it, my bad. How is "banning someone who's actively making Holocaust jokes" bad reasoning?

[ekaterina]

I just misread it, my bad. How is "banning someone who's actively making Holocaust jokes" bad reasoning?

In 'bad reasoning', I was referring to acting like a couple of dumb messages was worth a permanent ban.
He also only expressed that he agrees with some conspiracy theories and an associated controversial figure - nowhere in the posted screenshots does he actively "demean others due to their actual or perceived race, sex, gender, orientation"

There are other considerations at play here, which have come to light, however:

if you pay attention here you'll notice that I never mentioned the holocaust myself.
the fact that he acknowledges that "the holocaust was very important" means that he knows he was making fun of it - which doesn't work with his other claim that he doesn't know what "6 gazillion" meant since it was so vague/how it could POSSIBLY be bigotry.

As Omega points out, the user played himself, and it is now apparent he was just doing lazy trolling.
It is also understandable that there's less tolerance for shenanigans on Discord, since allowing questionable content can get the server itself deleted.

[Vekter]

I just misread it, my bad. How is "banning someone who's actively making Holocaust jokes" bad reasoning?

In 'bad reasoning', I was referring to acting like a couple of dumb messages was worth a permanent ban.
He also only expressed that he agrees with some conspiracy theories and an associated controversial figure - nowhere in the posted screenshots does he actively "demean others due to their actual or perceived race, sex, gender, orientation"

There are other considerations at play here, which have come to light, however:

if you pay attention here you'll notice that I never mentioned the holocaust myself.
the fact that he acknowledges that "the holocaust was very important" means that he knows he was making fun of it - which doesn't work with his other claim that he doesn't know what "6 gazillion" meant since it was so vague/how it could POSSIBLY be bigotry.

As Omega points out, the user played himself, and it is now apparent he was just doing lazy trolling.
It is also understandable that there's less tolerance for shenanigans on Discord, since allowing questionable content can get the server itself deleted.

I'm not really willing to argue this any further, you're either arguing in poor faith or you genuinely believe "making jokes about six million people being killed for their race/religion" doesn't warrant getting your shit slapped, especially if you do so with the explicit purpose of being shitty to an admin.

I also have to question if you're arguing for this because you genuinely don't think it was worth a ban or because "jannies bad", given that all of your other takes in this forum have been "I think the admin was wrong".

[Cobby]

when will people learn if you find being edgy funny and youre trying to make a joke out of it dont do it on the public-facing discord with 1000+ people of different backgrounds where obviously someone is going to take HUGE issue with it. Thats not even considering theres like a handful of rules with no expressing bigotry being one of them. This isnt a 2010-era 4chan server anymore, not that the people involved here were around the time it was.

Like I think he's just dumb (intentionally saying the things but doing it purely to be edgy for attention vs. being a genuine anti-jew) but idk how more clear someone needs to tell you than to not EXPRESS bigotry in any form on the discord. Do it with your other edgy friends, which the entirety of the tg discord is most certainly not.

Oh and saying that kind of stuff in private is worth a discord ban, like from the platform itself. That kind of stuff can also get entire servers shut down. If you can still use discord then be glad someone didnt actually report you.

[CPTANT]

As to the peanut itself: this guy got a permanent ban over saying some dumb words. How anyone can defend the admin's action here is beyond me.

If you think holocaust denial "jokes" are ok then honestly I think you should be banned as well.

[Boot]

As to the peanut itself: this guy got a permanent ban over saying some dumb words. How anyone can defend the admin's action here is beyond me.

If you think holocaust denial "jokes" are ok then honestly I think you should be banned as well.

easy there Hitler