Headmin Election 17 Discussion Thread

Post by **dragomagol** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:22 am #665061

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iwishforducks · Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:46 pm

holy fucking shit guys stop making walls of quotes are you guys barbarians

Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:49 pm

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:46 pm snip

fine

Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:51 pm

Drag wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:43 pm
Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:42 pm
Drag wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:26 pm
Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:12 pm
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So many of these candidates lack any platform. Only a few may rise up to be a champion of the podium.

Behold, ranked from Most Wanted to Least Wanted, may be messy but it’s a start.

EXPECTATION Meter
The (-) symbols are used to measure the level of expectations I have for a Headmin candidate. (-) is neutral, not bad, not good, and is possibly going to stay right there as they are. (^) is high, meaning that they have a possibility to rise in placement. (v) is low, meaning that they have a possibility to lower their placement as they are. (-*) means that the expectation (whatever it is) is not accurate due to me being lazy or the candidate not participating in debates enough for me to make a clear expectation.

Timberpoes - That funny ocelot. I expect Timber to be a good choice when it comes to Headmin. They focus on the choice of the players, and are pretty smart when it comes to being a role model. However I await for them to see them in the debates, and I wish for them to be a good investment. However, I feel like they really do have good takes for MRP, and I would like to see more of their takes. I’m paranoid when I vote for someone everyone else is already voting. (-)

Retification/Itseasytosee - The fourm poster. While they aren’t a shiny token on top of a pile of gold, they do have some good ideas. While escalation and silicon policy has always been a slope dosed with soap, I have high hopes they can slip and slide across. I do hope they focus on MRP and improve it for the better. While just walking into the admin arena, they are humble and I await to see them in the debates. Get things reworked and done, and I will have their back. (^)

Thedragmeme - My boss. The promises they have are pretty cool, as well as their promise to improve MRP to a more cleaner experience. However Drag seems to be only focused on MRP. While I am excited to get some changes to Manuel, what about all of the other servers? It isn’t fair for LRP to get some shade, no? While they promise so much and I assume those promises are true, they seem to only have a vision of MRP rather than LRP as of now. Headmins are supposed to cover the community, not just MRP. If Drag wants to get a win, they will have to appeal to the LRP face of the community as well. If not, then who will handle the LRP appeals, and the policies? (v)

CMDR Gungnir - Another MRP candidate, though they promise to head to LRP for a bit. They don’t have any big platforms, but they make up for it for their understanding of policy. Having a headmin that understands the chaotic nature of SS13 is someone that I’m willing to give a chance as headmining. Keep giving good takes, and perhaps maybe get a platform, and I’ll give you high hopes. (^)

kieth4 - A player headmin. Good takes, and good ideas on paper, however I eye the whole “activity should be enforced” guideline. I feel if my freedom of “admin when you want” is threatened, mostly. Only if this policy is enforced to a minimum degree, should I let them get a high expectation. Other than that, interesting ideas. (-)

NamelessFairy - The way they want to cut down on policies threads is interesting, and I feel as if they are mainly focused on getting things done. Platforms are currently neat. I want to see your debates pls. Runner-up. (^)

Striders13 - Owl Headmin. I’m not sure where to put them so I’ll put them here for now. Nice platforms, but I want to sit and wait to see their takes before I raise them higher. I will seek them in the debates soon. Owl ≠ immediate win. However, runner-up. (^*)

RaveRadbury - I want to see more than them before I give them a chance at the high placement. Having a headmin twice in a row is only someone I would want to vote for if they had a great performance, however, from what I can see, that is not really true. (v)

AwkwardStereo - I like his cut. However they told me to vote for ocelot (-)

Iwishforducks - Removing Manuel is not a soulition. I like them as a person, and they have great takes, but removing Manuel outright is not a valid solution. The roleplay policy cannot magically disappear. I will reconsider if there is another way. (v)

Trexter555 - No platform? As of now, their thread lacks ideas. All there is activity, relatability (and they aren’t even sure what it means), and bones. I will consider being forgiving them if they have at least some good takes. (v)

EmpressMaia - They have a platform, yes, but it’s a small one. Their debate responses are short and are stripped. Running with takes is good, but running with short takes? I want better than this. (v)

Iamgoofball - Stay away from Manuel and you will be fine. (v)

Where's my coffee, John!!
I’ll only give it to you if you allow me to make central command announcements again!!
Fine but only on weekends

I will create a workers union

Post by **Drag** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:51 pm #665998

Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:51 pm
Drag wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:43 pm
Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:42 pm
Drag wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:26 pm
Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:12 pm
► Show Spoiler
So many of these candidates lack any platform. Only a few may rise up to be a champion of the podium.

Behold, ranked from Most Wanted to Least Wanted, may be messy but it’s a start.

EXPECTATION Meter
The (-) symbols are used to measure the level of expectations I have for a Headmin candidate. (-) is neutral, not bad, not good, and is possibly going to stay right there as they are. (^) is high, meaning that they have a possibility to rise in placement. (v) is low, meaning that they have a possibility to lower their placement as they are. (-*) means that the expectation (whatever it is) is not accurate due to me being lazy or the candidate not participating in debates enough for me to make a clear expectation.

Timberpoes - That funny ocelot. I expect Timber to be a good choice when it comes to Headmin. They focus on the choice of the players, and are pretty smart when it comes to being a role model. However I await for them to see them in the debates, and I wish for them to be a good investment. However, I feel like they really do have good takes for MRP, and I would like to see more of their takes. I’m paranoid when I vote for someone everyone else is already voting. (-)

Retification/Itseasytosee - The fourm poster. While they aren’t a shiny token on top of a pile of gold, they do have some good ideas. While escalation and silicon policy has always been a slope dosed with soap, I have high hopes they can slip and slide across. I do hope they focus on MRP and improve it for the better. While just walking into the admin arena, they are humble and I await to see them in the debates. Get things reworked and done, and I will have their back. (^)

Thedragmeme - My boss. The promises they have are pretty cool, as well as their promise to improve MRP to a more cleaner experience. However Drag seems to be only focused on MRP. While I am excited to get some changes to Manuel, what about all of the other servers? It isn’t fair for LRP to get some shade, no? While they promise so much and I assume those promises are true, they seem to only have a vision of MRP rather than LRP as of now. Headmins are supposed to cover the community, not just MRP. If Drag wants to get a win, they will have to appeal to the LRP face of the community as well. If not, then who will handle the LRP appeals, and the policies? (v)

CMDR Gungnir - Another MRP candidate, though they promise to head to LRP for a bit. They don’t have any big platforms, but they make up for it for their understanding of policy. Having a headmin that understands the chaotic nature of SS13 is someone that I’m willing to give a chance as headmining. Keep giving good takes, and perhaps maybe get a platform, and I’ll give you high hopes. (^)

kieth4 - A player headmin. Good takes, and good ideas on paper, however I eye the whole “activity should be enforced” guideline. I feel if my freedom of “admin when you want” is threatened, mostly. Only if this policy is enforced to a minimum degree, should I let them get a high expectation. Other than that, interesting ideas. (-)

NamelessFairy - The way they want to cut down on policies threads is interesting, and I feel as if they are mainly focused on getting things done. Platforms are currently neat. I want to see your debates pls. Runner-up. (^)

Striders13 - Owl Headmin. I’m not sure where to put them so I’ll put them here for now. Nice platforms, but I want to sit and wait to see their takes before I raise them higher. I will seek them in the debates soon. Owl ≠ immediate win. However, runner-up. (^*)

RaveRadbury - I want to see more than them before I give them a chance at the high placement. Having a headmin twice in a row is only someone I would want to vote for if they had a great performance, however, from what I can see, that is not really true. (v)

AwkwardStereo - I like his cut. However they told me to vote for ocelot (-)

Iwishforducks - Removing Manuel is not a soulition. I like them as a person, and they have great takes, but removing Manuel outright is not a valid solution. The roleplay policy cannot magically disappear. I will reconsider if there is another way. (v)

Trexter555 - No platform? As of now, their thread lacks ideas. All there is activity, relatability (and they aren’t even sure what it means), and bones. I will consider being forgiving them if they have at least some good takes. (v)

EmpressMaia - They have a platform, yes, but it’s a small one. Their debate responses are short and are stripped. Running with takes is good, but running with short takes? I want better than this. (v)

Iamgoofball - Stay away from Manuel and you will be fine. (v)

Where's my coffee, John!!
I’ll only give it to you if you allow me to make central command announcements again!!
Fine but only on weekends
[/spoil]

I will create a workers union

*Pulls pulse riffle

iwishforducks · Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:59 pm

Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:49 pm
iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:46 pm snip
snip

RedBaronFlyer · Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:06 pm

ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 7:38 pm iwishforducks' candidate thread just dropped and, holy fuck, there is not a good proposal among his main ones, not a single one.

> ruin the server for MRP players by ending MRP
> ruin the server for LRP players by turning it into MRP
> remove players' ability to appeal bans if the headmins just don't feel like reviewing it (no objective standard)

I finally have someone that will go BELOW KIETH when I vote.

I've always been confused about the people who desperately want the MRP people and the LRP people to be in one server. Perhaps it's my newishness showing but it seems like neither side would be happy being on a server together. Both playerbases would get annoyed as shit at each other. There's bound to be a reason that servers specialize to usually be LRP, MRP, or have a LRP and MRP server. (pretty much just Goon and TG because other servers have insufficient playerbases to cater to both)

There definitely is a thing to be said about stretching the playerbase out or what not, but this isn't really a concern for TG. Both LRP and MRP have solid playerbases. MRP's is just a bit smaller which is fine. Best way I could compare it is that weird tribalism Day-Z had where the players who wanted to roleplay and the players who used it as a death match server were at odds because, despite playing the same game, they were there for different reasons and enjoyed different things. Neither way is the inherently wrong play to play SS13, but it's probably for the best they stay separate.

Soviet Womble did a good video to describe this (24:12-28:55): https://youtu.be/w_ZO_Ffa11E?t=1452

Itseasytosee2me · Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:09 pm

Iain0 joins without a platform to stand on! We shall see how this turns out.

Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:10 pm

I won’t ever bother updating my vote list. Sorry, Lain0, I’m lazy.

Almost all the threads follow the same formula of silicons (and that’s good, but, I do want to see some creative ideas, not just opinions of silicons!).

Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:13 pm

If I join I will get dusted immediately so I’m keeping a maximum distance from the headmin duties thread.

ekaterina · Post by **ekaterina** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:22 pm #666011

Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:09 pm Iain0 joins without a platform to stand on! We shall see how this turns out.

I thought he wouldn't bother, given his role in the recent controversy, but he'll go straight to the bottom of my list all the same.
I'd rather have Drag - a candidate who doesn't even have an LRP policy - than him.

Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:10 pm

Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:12 pm Snip!

I want to debate more but nobody is posting in my thread.

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EmpressMaia · Post by **EmpressMaia** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:20 pm #666029

NamelessFairy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:10 pm
Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:12 pm Snip!
I want to debate more but nobody is posting in my thread.
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ill debate you in your thread

Tearling · Post by **Tearling** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:28 pm #666032

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:06 pm Perhaps it's my newishness showing but it seems like neither side would be happy being on a server together. Both playerbases would get annoyed as shit at each other.

Most of the manuelites I know wouldn't get annoyed whatsoever at playing with LRP people, they just don't like getting round-removed. Heck I've had better roleplay on Terry in my recent rounds than I have on Manuel.

wesoda25 · Post by **wesoda25** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:10 pm #666042

Actually mind blowing how many hours iain has spent adminning. I'd be willing to bet (internet points) that there hasn't been a single term of headmins thus far whose cumulative hours added up to that much. Holy cow.

iwishforducks · Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:12 pm

Tearling wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:28 pm
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:06 pm Perhaps it's my newishness showing but it seems like neither side would be happy being on a server together. Both playerbases would get annoyed as shit at each other.
Most of the manuelites I know wouldn't get annoyed whatsoever at playing with LRP people, they just don't like getting round-removed. Heck I've had better roleplay on Terry in my recent rounds than I have on Manuel.

Aye, the old guard of Manuel has died off, and even then they weren't as roleplay orientated as they were clique orientated. A huge push that I want to make is to see that Manuel players truly aren't that different.

Fri May 19, 2023 8:36 am

NamelessFairy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:10 pm
Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:12 pm Snip!
I want to debate more but nobody is posting in my thread.
► Show Spoiler

Be the change you want to see, I suggest partaking in debate threads and using your candidate thread to keep track on what threads you posted in/what takes you took. Makes it easy for others to look at your thread and say “hm, did I ever consider this guy?”

Fri May 19, 2023 8:36 am

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:12 pm
Tearling wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:28 pm
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:06 pm Perhaps it's my newishness showing but it seems like neither side would be happy being on a server together. Both playerbases would get annoyed as shit at each other.
Most of the manuelites I know wouldn't get annoyed whatsoever at playing with LRP people, they just don't like getting round-removed. Heck I've had better roleplay on Terry in my recent rounds than I have on Manuel.
Aye, the old guard of Manuel has died off, and even then they weren't as roleplay orientated as they were clique orientated. A huge push that I want to make is to see that Manuel players truly aren't that different.

I don’t want Manuel to die. It’s not about the roleplay, it’s the community that has been molded by Manuel and it’s policy.

ekaterina · Post by **ekaterina** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:32 pm #666055

NamelessFairy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:10 pm
Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:12 pm Snip!
I want to debate more but nobody is posting in my thread.

Your thread is simply not that interesting. You don't propose any groundbreaking changes, just to be a reliable headmin. This has value to a voter, but not so much as a debate topic.

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:25 pm #666070

I'll make an inflammatory post in here let's go

Misdoubtful - literally a ferret. Easily one of the worst pre-headmins to ever grace the server. This is absolutely ironic in everyway. Die die die die
RaveRadbury - I find their banners, posting style, and in your face kind of campaigning cringe and annoying. I've told them as such. However, I have never had an issue with them as headmin. I like their work and they seem to appreciate mine. I like that they have faith in me. I like em. Other than that, I have no strong opinions on them.
Empress Maia - Name coming from a star system is kind of neat, I like space a lot. However, the fact that you used Yall without the ' (Y'all) is unforgivable.
trexter555 - I have no idea who this is
AwkwardStereo - Self deprecation, the headmin thread.
CMDR_Gungnir - Thought they were ok as a player. Rager. Wouldn't make a good admin, wouldn't make a good headmin. Didn't read most of the thread. We were once friends in game tho
Striders13 - Sleeper agent literally planted in admin discord channels to spy on me and others. Please deadmin immediately
Itseasytosee2me - No idea who this is, didn't read other than the questions. Self declares themselves as handsome and that kind of self confidence is such a power move.
iain0 - Didn't read their thread but just so you are all aware. This is probably the most active admin /tg/ has ever had and they resolved the most tickets two years in a row by FAR. Doesn't seem like very many if any invalid notes/bans or any admin complaints or anything. Kind of based.
Iwishforducks - I have no idea who this but reading their thread made me feel really bad about how their trialminship was handled. Major fail on the community/headmins at the time. Kind of see this as a black mark on timbertoes too tbh. U deserved better king/queen.
iamgoofball - I enjoy the yearly shitshow/somehow almost winning. Good luck kiddo
NamelessFairy - omega cringe
Timberpoes - Called their first headminship since they were so tame but neutrally useful. Since then, I think they have become a bit overbearing (and not just because they took me out back and shot me for a meme complaint). I find them somewhat reasonable and yet very much in a "trying too hard" kind of state and cringe (similar to Rave but in a more, here is an essay way). I would know because years ago when I ran for headmin, I abso fuckin lutely tried too hard. In general, I wouldn't hate if they won but probably would prefer someone else.
kieth4 - Has the wrong idea about security. A yearly headmin runner. No strong opinions on any policies or them as a person. Good luck in the election!
Thedragmeme - Your youtube videos are somewhat entertaining but SS13 is usually boring to watch. Seems a bit fresh on the team, still getting their admin sea legs even as game admin. Their policies on MRP are interesting but they are indeed a MRP admin with MRP ideas. Banner is kind of cute

In general: Everyone plz stop suggesting mentors. I feel like if u can be a mentor u can be an admin, I just don't see the point. Some of the above was serious, some of it a meme. Do not take anything I say as factual or as a complete idea in anyway. Long cat away!

Post by **Armhulen** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:26 pm #666071

I hope Itseasytosee2me wins

Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:32 pm

Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:14 pm
NamelessFairy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:10 pm Snip!
Be the change you want to see, I suggest partaking in debate threads and using your candidate thread to keep track on what threads you posted in/what takes you took. Makes it easy for others to look at your thread and say “hm, did I ever consider this guy?”

I'm taking part in a few, I prefer to space out my participation so I've got things to comment on throughout entire period.

Post by **Sightld2** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:46 pm #666074

Ngl, peeves me how averse everyone is to reading for a minute and shitting on “essay” style posts. If Lisa Greene needs 2600 words to defend themselves, so be it. Same with Timber and whatever he’s talking about at any given moment. Sure being concise is a skill, but so is reading. Read more, nerds.

Post by **Timberpoes** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:13 am #666076

First time I've been defended by someone for writing words.

Future host vote in the making.

vect0r · Post by **vect0r** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:22 am #666077

Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:10 pm I won’t ever bother updating my vote list. Sorry, Lain0, I’m lazy.

Almost all the threads follow the same formula of silicons (and that’s good, but, I do want to see some creative ideas, not just opinions of silicons!).

I disagree, if u see ez2see, they show how purged AI is kinda like a MRP tot w/o plasmaflooding n shit, and I’m all for it.

Post by **Drag** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:02 am #666143

NikNakFlak wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:25 pm In general: Everyone plz stop suggesting mentors. I feel like if u can be a mentor u can be an admin, I just don't see the point. Some of the above was serious, some of it a meme. Do not take anything I say as factual or as a complete idea in anyway. Long cat away!

Educating players and enforcement of policy are two completely different things. Some players hate the idea of enforcing policy but would love a more streamlined platform for educating players. Not everyone who wants to contribute wants to be in the line of fire

wesoda25 · Post by **wesoda25** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:33 am #666145

I was gonna post in ducks thread about their axing manuel idea but datorange bottle said it better than I could have. This is a video game, so what if things aren’t perfect? There’s now a well established playerbase for manuel that enjoys it, destroying that due to your own abstract ideas on what would work better in the grand scheme of things just reads as arrogant and insensitive to me. The people who say “get rid of bagil” suck, and so do the ones who say the same of manuel. Let people have their fun.

Also, every server has quality admins. Definitely wouldn’t want a headmin who can’t see that.

Bawhoppennn · Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:03 am

For me:
Timber is the logical vote
Itseasytosee2me is the idealist vote
Rave is the safe vote
Kieth is the fun vote

Depends on how I feel on election day

cybersaber101 · Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:33 am

mrsdoubtful/Hugs has always had a ton of excellent takes so they're high on my list.

Post by **Timberpoes** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:48 am #666167

cybersaber101 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:33 am mrsdoubtful/Hugs has always had a ton of excellent takes so they're high on my list.

They're already headmin, there's nothing you can do to stop them. (They earned the host vote)

ekaterina · Post by **ekaterina** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:52 am #666168

cybersaber101 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:33 am mrsdoubtful/Hugs has always had a ton of excellent takes so they're high on my list.

She's already headmin, don't vote for her, vote for someone who isn't headmin yet.
She'd be high on my list too if she wasn't headmin, though.

iwishforducks · Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:07 pm

wesoda25 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:33 am Also, every server has quality admins. Definitely wouldn’t want a headmin who can’t see that.

I’m not quite sure why you believe I don’t think Manuel has quality admins.

Not-Dorsidarf · Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:35 pm

Seems funny to see alphonzo going at timberpoes for admin conduct and being too player-sided, isnt he still famous for making bad bans then millitantly sticking to them until the headmins pry him off the corpse with a stick

Post by **Timberpoes** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:51 pm #666182

[Edit] I figured out what he was talking about, and updated my candidate thread with it [/Edit]

I genuinely don't see eye-to-eye with Alphonzo and never really have. They are an admin from a different generation, that sees their entire duty as an admin to be placing the bans others seem incapable of placing.

Which is all well and good, but often they jump out to place bans on admin hearsay without any actual context outside of that. The impression I get is that they think this makes them a good admin because they are doing what needs to be done to force the community to heel.

Post by **kieth4** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:08 pm #666192

Btfoed quite hard if I do say so myself.

wesoda25 · Post by **wesoda25** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:53 pm #666226

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:07 pm I’m not quite sure why you believe I don’t think Manuel has quality admins.

I was talking about non manuel servers. Based on this from your thread:

We find some really fucking good admins from Manuel- I don't have the numbers in front of me but I know for a fact that most of our admins are pulled from Manuel. Sybil has some good admins from it. Terry has an absolute deficit of admins just in general. Bagil and Campbell... well they don't even have players. I find it an issue that our most valuable admins are accustomed to Manuel's policy and culture.

It clearly shows little appreciation or maybe even familiarity with admins outside of manuel. Not a crime to be certain, but also not ideal for a headmin imo.

Edit: im venting anyways tho ik you just phrased it poorly. I posted it here for a reason

Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:59 pm

vect0r wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:22 am
Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:10 pm I won’t ever bother updating my vote list. Sorry, Lain0, I’m lazy.

Almost all the threads follow the same formula of silicons (and that’s good, but, I do want to see some creative ideas, not just opinions of silicons!).
I disagree, if u see ez2see, they show how purged AI is kinda like a MRP tot w/o plasmaflooding n shit, and I’m all for it.

Yes, that is a example of a interesting idea. However just stating what you think of silicons without expressing what you envision it to be, you won’t get anywhere without a platform.

vect0r · Post by **vect0r** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:02 pm #666231

Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:59 pm
vect0r wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:22 am
Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:10 pm I won’t ever bother updating my vote list. Sorry, Lain0, I’m lazy.

Almost all the threads follow the same formula of silicons (and that’s good, but, I do want to see some creative ideas, not just opinions of silicons!).
I disagree, if u see ez2see, they show how purged AI is kinda like a MRP tot w/o plasmaflooding n shit, and I’m all for it.
Yes, that is a example of a interesting idea. However just stating what you think of silicons without expressing what you envision it to be, you won’t get anywhere without a platform.

That is fair. I would love for him to expand his platform about purged AIs and put it into silicon policy section.

Post by **Cheshify** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:09 pm #666234

Man, if only these great headmin candidates could have a planned debate day next Saturday (2023/02/25 10:00 PM (UTC)) so they could all have a way to get their opinion across to a wider voterbase.

Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:14 pm

Cheshify wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:09 pm Man, if only these great headmin candidates could have a planned debate day next Saturday (2023/02/25 10:00 PM (UTC)) so they could all have a way to get their opinion across to a wider voterbase.

If only if we had someone to host this amazing idea.

Post by **Cheshify** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:35 pm #666240

Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:14 pm
Cheshify wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:09 pm Man, if only these great headmin candidates could have a planned debate day next Saturday (2023/02/25 10:00 PM (UTC)) so they could all have a way to get their opinion across to a wider voterbase.
If only if we had someone to host this amazing idea.

Well who knows, maybe if we're all lucky and wish upon a star we can have a very real event featuring a player-made bingo card (https://forms.gle/hegHReQm9VTXx1Ng7)
and the opportunity to see what headmin candidates really think about pressing topics that concern the playerbase.

iwishforducks · Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:48 pm

wesoda25 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:53 pm
iwishforducks wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:07 pm I’m not quite sure why you believe I don’t think Manuel has quality admins.
I was talking about non manuel servers. Based on this from your thread:
We find some really fucking good admins from Manuel- I don't have the numbers in front of me but I know for a fact that most of our admins are pulled from Manuel. Sybil has some good admins from it. Terry has an absolute deficit of admins just in general. Bagil and Campbell... well they don't even have players. I find it an issue that our most valuable admins are accustomed to Manuel's policy and culture.
It clearly shows little appreciation or maybe even familiarity with admins outside of manuel. Not a crime to be certain, but also not ideal for a headmin imo.

Edit: im venting anyways tho ik you just phrased it poorly. I posted it here for a reason

Ah, that makes a lot more sense. My point was more or less that Manuel tends to be nicer and so it tends to pull nicer players from our other servers, who then never leave Manuel to help admin other servers. Something something this isn't the case for all admins and some of them do end up adminning on other servers, but even I had some bias to admin on Manuel due to how easy it was (or perhaps it was familiarity)

There's plenty of good admins that I love that aren't from Manuel. Though I'm sure you got that judging by your edit. Just thought I'd clarify.

MrAlphonzo · Post by **MrAlphonzo** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:34 pm #666334

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:51 pm I genuinely don't see eye-to-eye with Alphonzo and never really have. They are an admin from a different generation, that sees their entire duty as an admin to be placing the bans others seem incapable of placing.

The impression I get is that they think this makes them a good admin because they are doing what needs to be done to force the community to heel.

(From Policybus)

vect0r · Post by **vect0r** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:49 pm #666337

Is… is this a DRAMA MOMENT??? LEAKED POLICYBUS, ADMIN INFIGHTING, AND ASSAULTS ON OTHER ADMINS BY PEOPLE WHO AREN’T EVEN HEADMIN CANDIDATES!
More at 6…

iwishforducks · Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:57 pm

MrAlphonzo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:34 pm
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:51 pm I genuinely don't see eye-to-eye with Alphonzo and never really have. They are an admin from a different generation, that sees their entire duty as an admin to be placing the bans others seem incapable of placing.

The impression I get is that they think this makes them a good admin because they are doing what needs to be done to force the community to heel.

(From Policybus)

im gonna be real i dont see how these are conflicting statements. you can still be a hardass like timber that tends to just get shit done while also not seeing eye to eye with timber.

Post by **Armhulen** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:06 pm #666342

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:57 pm
MrAlphonzo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:34 pm snip
im gonna be real i dont see how these are conflicting statements. you can still be a hardass like timber that tends to just get shit done while also not seeing eye to eye with timber.

It's also a throwaway line from policy bus, so... I dunno, pinch of salt

CoffeeDragon16 · Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:23 pm

every post timber makes reads like padding out a school essay for word count

Post by **Timberpoes** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:41 pm #666349

For context, this was from policybus discussion on this topic: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=32116

It's all public, anyone on the Discord can see it at https://discord.com/channels/3268221442 ... 7912150066 and following through to the Policybus discussion on Rule 0-1. It's buried in there somewhere.

I was highlighting how a laissez-faire approach to LRP restrictions (I.e. - Let everyone do what they want without limitation) can tie the hands of admins to act and force the hands of coders that just wish admins would stop players from doing the same stuff over and over again so much it gets nerfed.

The context behind it is a discussion about how I'm comfortable administrating purely on discretion (Rule 0/1, the topic of the policy discussion). I list a bunch of other admins that have the same qualities. Hulk speaks for himself, I think everyone is aware of Hulk's good reputation as a person that can step up when discretion is required. Alphonzo also speaks for himself in doing whatever he wants too, but for decidedly different reason. Exavere is also a long-time admin that always struck me as someone highly capable of applying discretion and an admin I hold in high regard. They trained PositiveEntropy with me, afterall.

So yeah, sorry Fonz but I'm not seeing the issue here. You're rash, you jump in without full information and context, you don't think at all before you act, and you tend to go full aggro into everything you do. We definitely don't see eye-to-eye and I don't think I'm anything like you as a person or an admin overall.

Despite that, like me you will do things you think need doing without much fear or worry, fairly confident you can back yourself up on appeal or in a complaint. In the context of a Rule 0/1 discussion, you're like me.

God I can't believe I felt the need to explain this. I know I put in my headmin candidate thread I'm "highly quotable" but I never expected to have to explain this. Monkey's paw finger curling intensifies, I guess.

No publicity is bad publicity, eh?

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:06 am #666413

>reads timber thread
>Sees essays
>Dies
>Goes back to thread
>See spoilers
>Open them up
>Theres an essay in EACH
>GO BACK TO SHITPOSTING THREAD
>THERES ESSAYS IN HERE TOO
>LOOK ABOVE THIS POST
>DIE

STOP

Post by **NoxVS** » Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:10 am #666415

need to vote timber last just to escape the essays

AwkwardStereo · Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:30 am

NikNakFlak wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:06 amSTOP

perish

Super Aggro Crag · Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:10 am

Why do we even have votes