Lisa Green struggles to say "unban pls :D" in under 2300 words

[TheLoLSwat]

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im sorry i know posting your own peanut thread is some headass activity but i have been working on this for so fucking long please just let me have this i wont post in the actual thread i swear

[Epicgamer545]

I don't understand why there is a mechanic to interact with the disk not being in the captains backpack if we intend to ban captains for not putting it in the backpack. The mere existence of the mechanic seems to imply it as a valid option.

why is there a mechanic for bombs exploding and killing people if im going to get banned for making bombs and using them to explode the station and kill people

Why is there a mechanic for your mother

why is there a mechanic for ruining everyone’s round if I’m going to get banned for ruining everyone’s round

[Epicgamer545]

also congrats on reaching the second page of the player club thread, enjoy your stay

[Armhulen]

You deserve to have the appeal denied solely on the basis of you posting your own peanut /j

Also to expand on my post in Lisa's appeal, "putting it in the safe" is absolutely not secure because emags exist.

I'm not saying every round you should be baiting out bad things happening but imo we shouldn't encourage people only doing the meta choice with other choices seen as griefing, it makes stories samey, predictable, and boring. One takeaway I'm going to pull from this is that solo op chances need to not go up if the disky is in a safe or other very safe container. Should only really be going up if you're neglecting it, and putting it in the safe isn't exactly that.
Kinda reminds me of awhile back where people would get pissed at RD for not following a very specific techweb progression which honestly still can happen

[NoxVS]

I don't understand why there is a mechanic to interact with the disk not being in the captains backpack if we intend to ban captains for not putting it in the backpack. The mere existence of the mechanic seems to imply it as a valid option.

why is there a mechanic for bombs exploding and killing people if im going to get banned for making bombs and using them to explode the station and kill people

Why is there a mechanic for your mother

there isn't

[Armhulen]

I will concede that the captain's safe is very easy to access if it's the wallmount I'm thinking of, and I'm more referring to the vault safe

[toemas]

Uhh... he put the disk in the CAPTAINS LOCKED SAFE? Someone fucking ban this griefing asshole

[Indie-ana Jones]

Honestly, the thing I hate the most about Lisa Green is how early they'll call the shuttle a majority of the time. What's this, a threat that I can't stun with my endless bag of flashbangs and other stun weaponry? Its time to leave.

[Capsandi]

Someone needs to pr some sort of indicator as to whether the disk is 'secure' or not so players who don't know about the niche lone op mechanic won't make the same intuitive assumption (though swat has been trolled for putting it in the safe before).

[Scriptis]

I trimmed out some peanut parts of my last post, but broadly my opinion has gone from "I think Lisa powergames and is coming really close to breaking the rules" to "she was almost there with powergaming stuff and this could've used a lighter touch"

I'm already dangerously close to peanut posting in the original appeal if it weren't for the fact I consulted on the ban in the first place

[blackdav123]

spawning loneops as captain is always based

free lisa 2563

[conrad]

also congrats on reaching the second page of the player club thread, enjoy your stay

Thank you.

[Timberpoes]

I trimmed out some peanut parts of my last post, but broadly my opinion has gone from "I think Lisa powergames and is coming really close to breaking the rules" to "she was almost there with powergaming stuff and this could've used a lighter touch"

I'm already dangerously close to peanut posting in the original appeal if it weren't for the fact I consulted on the ban in the first place

I've been giving you a broad pass under peanut policy regardless. Maybe it's not orthodox as an approach, but if the literal interpretation of the rules would get in the way of solving appeals then I'd just apply the purpose instead; "[Peanut policy exists] in order to streamline appeals/requests and to not make them a shit fest that people don't want to touch."

Looks very much to me like you're helping streamline the appeal in general through log posts and intelligent discussion, as well as putting a lot of information that only exists in your head, in asay and in adminbus direct into the appeal. A lot of it providing a contexual backdrop for where we find ourselves today, and because you're involved in that contextual backdrop a lot of your views and opinion are relevant insofar as allowing a decision to be made with the maximum possible context.

Keep on keeping on.

[Armhulen]

Someone needs to pr some sort of indicator as to whether the disk is 'secure' or not so players who don't know about the niche lone op mechanic won't make the same intuitive assumption (though swat has been trolled for putting it in the safe before).

Sure

[Timberpoes]

Someone needs to pr some sort of indicator as to whether the disk is 'secure' or not so players who don't know about the niche lone op mechanic won't make the same intuitive assumption (though swat has been trolled for putting it in the safe before).

Sure

Please make it a versatile component or signal or something that can take any prospective icon.

When Disky is tucked into bed, it needs to have ZzZs. Disky needs to have faces depending on how hard it is influencing loneop spawn chance. When Disky is moving on conveyors it needs a face because it's have fun.

[Vekter]

You deserve to have the appeal denied solely on the basis of you posting your own peanut /j

Also to expand on my post in Lisa's appeal, "putting it in the safe" is absolutely not secure because emags exist.

I'm not saying every round you should be baiting out bad things happening but imo we shouldn't encourage people only doing the meta choice with other choices seen as griefing, it makes stories samey, predictable, and boring. One takeaway I'm going to pull from this is that solo op chances need to not go up if the disky is in a safe or other very safe container. Should only really be going up if you're neglecting it, and putting it in the safe isn't exactly that.
Kinda reminds me of awhile back where people would get pissed at RD for not following a very specific techweb progression which honestly still can happen

You are correct but that's a code issue more than anything.

[toemas]

brevity

[mindstormy]

If you have to write a novel for your ban appeal. You might just deserve a ban.

[Armhulen]

Someone needs to pr some sort of indicator as to whether the disk is 'secure' or not so players who don't know about the niche lone op mechanic won't make the same intuitive assumption (though swat has been trolled for putting it in the safe before).

Sure

Please make it a versatile component or signal or something that can take any prospective icon.

When Disky is tucked into bed, it needs to have ZzZs. Disky needs to have faces depending on how hard it is influencing loneop spawn chance. When Disky is moving on conveyors it needs a face because it's have fun.

IT'S UP

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/73453

[saprasam]

IT'S UP

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/73453

these are the things i never knew i needed

[wesoda25]

Okay so lets cut straight to the chase here because I'm not writing a novel back at you.

I am going to lift the ban because a day is enough time in my opinion.

I saw you calling folks retards a few times in round and thought man this person's being a bit of a dick. Let me be clear this alone is not why I banned you. It just started me down the path of observing you. My gut reaction was confirmed a several times by your general actions, communication style, and play style, but especially when you allowed your friend to behead the person (effectively round removing them) who tased you in the brig that one time. I continue to think you were being a bit of a dick for the majority of the round and the ban is justified on those grounds alone.

I will admit I got distracted by your colorful note history of powergaming and general shittery and and that skewed my opinion of you in a negative light. I could have communicated my dislike of your play style better in round but your VERY RECENT note history skewed my judgement.

That being said. Stop getting notes every few weeks for this kind of shit it is leading you towards the path of a perma ban and a less friendly admin than I will not tolerate this behavior.

Love this guy. Absolutely no time wasted

[Armhulen]

Okay so lets cut straight to the chase here because I'm not writing a novel back at you.

I am going to lift the ban because a day is enough time in my opinion.

I saw you calling folks retards a few times in round and thought man this person's being a bit of a dick. Let me be clear this alone is not why I banned you. It just started me down the path of observing you. My gut reaction was confirmed a several times by your general actions, communication style, and play style, but especially when you allowed your friend to behead the person (effectively round removing them) who tased you in the brig that one time. I continue to think you were being a bit of a dick for the majority of the round and the ban is justified on those grounds alone.

I will admit I got distracted by your colorful note history of powergaming and general shittery and and that skewed my opinion of you in a negative light. I could have communicated my dislike of your play style better in round but your VERY RECENT note history skewed my judgement.

That being said. Stop getting notes every few weeks for this kind of shit it is leading you towards the path of a perma ban and a less friendly admin than I will not tolerate this behavior.

Love this guy. Absolutely no time wasted

Perfect. Time was served, a lesson was taught, someone playing like a degenerate was whooped, but it's more incident focused and not overall and they can improve

[rasonj]

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Okay so lets cut straight to the chase here because I'm not writing a novel back at you.

I am going to lift the ban because a day is enough time in my opinion.

I saw you calling folks retards a few times in round and thought man this person's being a bit of a dick. Let me be clear this alone is not why I banned you. It just started me down the path of observing you. My gut reaction was confirmed a several times by your general actions, communication style, and play style, but especially when you allowed your friend to behead the person (effectively round removing them) who tased you in the brig that one time. I continue to think you were being a bit of a dick for the majority of the round and the ban is justified on those grounds alone.

I will admit I got distracted by your colorful note history of powergaming and general shittery and and that skewed my opinion of you in a negative light. I could have communicated my dislike of your play style better in round but your VERY RECENT note history skewed my judgement.

That being said. Stop getting notes every few weeks for this kind of shit it is leading you towards the path of a perma ban and a less friendly admin than I will not tolerate this behavior.

Love this guy. Absolutely no time wasted

Perfect. Time was served, a lesson was taught, someone playing like a degenerate was whooped, but it's more incident focused and not overall and they can improve

I am not sure a lesson was taught. I am not sure what the actual ban reason ended up being. Was it "don't put the disk in the safe", was it "don't call people retard" or was it "here is a note for having a lot of notes"

[Kendrickorium]

it took time to get the hippiestation playstyle beaten out of me as well

give him time

[Cobby]

The real question is why is there a rampup in the probability check? There is no reset time if we raise the weight portion, it literally gets worse and worse which is a bit strange for something that was suppose to just be this cute, niche mechanic.

[Armhulen]

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Okay so lets cut straight to the chase here because I'm not writing a novel back at you.

I am going to lift the ban because a day is enough time in my opinion.

I saw you calling folks retards a few times in round and thought man this person's being a bit of a dick. Let me be clear this alone is not why I banned you. It just started me down the path of observing you. My gut reaction was confirmed a several times by your general actions, communication style, and play style, but especially when you allowed your friend to behead the person (effectively round removing them) who tased you in the brig that one time. I continue to think you were being a bit of a dick for the majority of the round and the ban is justified on those grounds alone.

I will admit I got distracted by your colorful note history of powergaming and general shittery and and that skewed my opinion of you in a negative light. I could have communicated my dislike of your play style better in round but your VERY RECENT note history skewed my judgement.

That being said. Stop getting notes every few weeks for this kind of shit it is leading you towards the path of a perma ban and a less friendly admin than I will not tolerate this behavior.

Love this guy. Absolutely no time wasted

Perfect. Time was served, a lesson was taught, someone playing like a degenerate was whooped, but it's more incident focused and not overall and they can improve

I am not sure a lesson was taught. I am not sure what the actual ban reason ended up being. Was it "don't put the disk in the safe", was it "don't call people retard" or was it "here is a note for having a lot of notes"

let's ask op

[Armhulen]

The real question is why is there a rampup in the probability check? There is no reset time if we raise the weight portion, it literally gets worse and worse which is a bit strange for something that was suppose to just be this cute, niche mechanic.

It is kinda sad that like, you can tuck the disk into bed and that's funny little thing but you're punished by soaring the lone op chances for doing it, but you'll probably only be getting banned if you let the lone op chances soar by leaving it unsecured without hte funny meme mechanic.

Basically there's something here that don't make sense

[TheLoLSwat]

let's ask op

2 day server ban over something that i haven't been bwoinked about is dumb. hoping it can get reduced to a note about leaving the disk unattended which is what the bwoink should've been about and how it should've concluded logically.

since i can only respond to this one post i need to make the most of it

this is now a hulk hogan slander thread

bro had sold out stadiums and still couldnt put out a good match with one of the greatest of all time

[Cobby]

The real question is why is there a rampup in the probability check? There is no reset time if we raise the weight portion, it literally gets worse and worse which is a bit strange for something that was suppose to just be this cute, niche mechanic.

It is kinda sad that like, you can tuck the disk into bed and that's funny little thing but you're punished by soaring the lone op chances for doing it, but you'll probably only be getting banned if you let the lone op chances soar by leaving it unsecured without hte funny meme mechanic.

Basically there's something here that don't make sense

the part that doesnt make sense is that it guarantees a spawn vs. just increasing chances. It turns something that should be highly encouraged via a cute funny feature into something mandated or you can face OOC repercussions from not abiding by it (despite not being shown anywhere player-facing side).

[rasonj]

I still think putting the disk in the safe is not any different than rejecting shuttle insurance.

[Cobby]

mfw wall safes were made easier to hack after I btfod them from emags

[Armhulen]

I still think putting the disk in the safe is not any different than rejecting shuttle insurance.

that shits pricy boi i aint spending that shit

[Timberpoes]

2 months later we finally resolve this appeal, dragging it from the depths of the resolved section for one last hurrah.

[Kendrickorium]

>letting lisa green win

we all lost, in the end

[TheLoLSwat]

Headmin review (good ending)

[Timberpoes]

This was the updated ban reason/note that we overturned:

2023-02-14 22:22:46
mindstormy
Server
2880 Minutes
Editing a ban note that was for excessive power gaming. I am editing this to change it to a rule 1 ban which was my original intent. I thought you were being a dick and given your note history decided you needed a break. I saw you calling folks retards a few times in round and thought man this person's being a bit of a dick. Let me be clear this alone is not why I banned you. It just started me down the path of observing you. My gut reaction was confirmed a several times by your general actions, communication style, and play style.

Almost nothing of the original ban reason or topics discussed in the original ahelp was left:

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So my main issue here, is you have been repeatedly warned about powegaming and tiding. I've been watching you most of the shift since it's been a quiet low pop round and I gota say I am not a fan of the style of play you are bringing to the table especially as a captain.
mindstormy ➡ thelolswat 
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This is about powergaming. You know it is powergaming and you are unapologetic about it.
mindstormy ➡ thelolswat 
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That is because it started as rule 1 investigation that lead to me seeing how much you have violated rule 12. You have been repeatedly warned about it. Given the amount of warnings you have for this, the ban length is going to be 2 days. If you would like to appeal this ban please feel free to do so on the forums.
mindstormy ➡ thelolswat

I couldn't really support upholding a ban for Rule 12 powergaming (R12 isn't RPR7, it isn't actually about powergaming, and powergaming isn't against the rules on LRP anyway else we'd've just re-used RPR7) transforming into a Rule 1 ban for things that weren't even discussed in the ahelp (calling people retards, being a dick and a bunch of other unsubstantiated claims in the appeal and the amended ban reason). It just didn't seem fair or right to uphold.

[Epicgamer545]

Wait, I thought this thread died. Where am I?

[ekaterina]

Lisa Green might be uncool but even the uncool deserve due process. This is the good ending.

I'd like to see the headmins continue the tradition of discriminating the vote of each headmin, instead of omitting it as they did here, though.

[Timberpoes]

Wait, I thought this thread died. Where am I?

This term I've been reviving old, dead, locked peanut threads when there's been headmin rulings. It gives players the chance to have the final say on how things were handled, decided or resolved.

[datorangebottle]

This term I've been reviving old, dead, locked peanut threads when there's been headmin rulings. It gives players the chance to have the final say on how things were handled, decided or resolved.

No...
Timberpoes has become a necromancer...

[Misdoubtful]

Lisa Green might be uncool but even the uncool deserve due process. This is the good ending.

I'd like to see the headmins continue the tradition of discriminating the vote of each headmin, instead of omitting it as they did here, though.

If we don't its very safe to assume that we all agreed with what got posted. We make it a point to flesh out our conflicting stances when we have them.

[Timberpoes]

This term I've been reviving old, dead, locked peanut threads when there's been headmin rulings. It gives players the chance to have the final say on how things were handled, decided or resolved.

No...
Timberpoes has become a necromancer...

[JusticeGoat]

If i get an appeal like this can i just tell them "ten words or less" as my reply if they are this long winded?

[TheLoLSwat]

i tried using less words in the actual ticket but i got trolled and i was worried he would just instadeny it if i didnt explain it well enough