Chip Shitfest peanut

[Fren256]

Bottom post of the previous page:

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It was bound to happen, eventually.

[DevinXoptoh]

I just want to say this whole shebang has spurred me into coding a new type of special meteor summoned when you do something stupid like emagging 16 meteor shields

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given that meteor shields dont "stop functioning" when emagged, they still destroy meteors,
emagging them just increases the weight, no extra damage was caused by the catastrophic that came after my emagging.
it is literally a jumpscare thing to command for a fast evac incase they do fail, but if I recall properly, I purchased 7 boxes of sats, each with 3 in

I honestly thought meteor shields didn't even work

this is what I mean, sats are so obscure on what they actually do, I genuinely had no clue they had an emag state.
I know they work, simply from actually seeing them work ICly

[DevinXoptoh]

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/74330

Just to confirm, you have tested that they give no message before this PR??

[Armhulen]

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/74330

Just to confirm, you have tested that they give no message before this PR??

An admin tested on centcom for me, and found out that the message does in fact show. I've added ANOTHER message in the form of a bloon alert so it 100% cannot happen again as a mistake

[DevinXoptoh]

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/74330

Just to confirm, you have tested that they give no message before this PR??

An admin tested on centcom for me, and found out that the message does in fact show. I've added ANOTHER message in the form of a bloon alert so it 100% cannot happen again as a mistake

Shows with a multi?
or shows in chat, because I do not recall seeing it in chat

[Pandarsenic]

What the hell, you can emag meteor shields?

[Armhulen]

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/74330

Just to confirm, you have tested that they give no message before this PR??

An admin tested on centcom for me, and found out that the message does in fact show. I've added ANOTHER message in the form of a bloon alert so it 100% cannot happen again as a mistake

Shows with a multi?
or shows in chat, because I do not recall seeing it in chat

Full on in chat

[sinfulbliss]

it seems at least believable they would’ve thought it was just flavortext on a defunct feature.

also if the meteor shield was fully assembled one might think it would just increase the amount of meteors being destroyed instead of pose an actual risk.

[vect0r]

Is it dumb that somebody emagged something? Yeah.
Is it something that I would do? Yeah.
Honestly I think it is just a dumb fucking move. I would be tempted to do the same thing! But it is not worthy of a permaban, it's just a dumb mistake.

[datorangebottle]

This ban's rock solid.
There's literally no defense for this aside from "i'm sorry, pls unban".
You can't say you had no idea what it did- you already admitted to reading the wiki and assuming the wiki was wrong... for some reason.
You also couldn't say that even if you hadn't admitted to it- the emag is an item that, in most cases, is for sabotage. Logically it's far more likely to be some negative effect.
You can't even say you did it on accident, you had to go out of your way to get the emag in the first place.
I'd recommend not posting in the peanut thread to defend yourself- it's making you look like you're trying to say some of those things anyway, which directly conflicts with things you've said in the appeal.

I genuinely had no clue they had an emag state.

After I emagged the sats, I do not recall if another meteor storm hit, however, it was not to my knowledge that emagging the shield sats actually still caused meteors to have a higher chance of happening, I thought it was old code due to the outdated wiki.

Like, I don't get the impression you did it in bad faith- I think you were curious and wanted to test it- but things like this make it easier for that impression to change. You definitely had some kind of clue that it had an emag state; you just ignored that clue entirely because it "could be outdated information".

I just want to say this whole shebang has spurred me into coding a new type of special meteor summoned when you do something stupid like emagging 16 meteor shields

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I love you.

The BSA needs an emagged state. It could go: Blam! Blows target and the user up.

Even if that is true the issue of taking the emag from sec still stands.

Nah, man.
The emag is still an overloaded item even after the airlocks were removed from it.
Make it a hacking effect or some kind of special item that sabotages specifically station objectives, instead of lumping it under the generalized emag. The emag already does too much for its cost.

Not sure why the alert matters, if they only emagged one shield then the alert would be given afterwards, so they could very well not have known before.

it seems at least believable they would’ve thought it was just flavortext on a defunct feature.

Also if the meteor shield was fully assembled one might think it would just increase the amount of meteors being destroyed instead of pose an actual risk.

There's some problems here, though.
That alert tells you that it increases the chance of meteor strikes happening. A meteor shield puts up a shield against meteors. I don't see how that could be misunderstood.
If there was some chance it was still a functioning feature, the sensible thing to do would be to emag one and wait, then ahelp an apology admitting you fucked up after rocks start hitting the station- because you're probably eating a ban anyway. Instead, he emagged multiple, which really doesn't look like "i wonder if this works."
Finally, as I previously stated- the emag is largely used for sabotage. It unlocks lethal options on the holodeck(plasma fire my beloved), turns loyal NT cyborgs into syndicate-aligned cyborgs, makes bots malfunction and start hurting people, unlocks dangerous chemicals on various vendors and dispensers... I don't see how someone immediately jumps to the assumption "it must upgrade it instead of threatening the station!" Having looked through the list, there are almost no situations in which the emag does something that's only good for the station. The least harmful thing it does is remove access restrictions- which still allows potentially dangerous crew access to things, like disabling the meteor shields during a storm!
The more I type, the worse my impression of Chip is.

Final note:
Admins: NoTeS aRe NoT a PuNiShMeNt
Also admins: Has many recent notes, some including random bombings, and a few bans during this month as well.

[DevinXoptoh]

What the hell, you can emag meteor shields?

Yes, which, is what I learnt the hard way to actually be true

[sinfulbliss]

There's some problems here, though.
That alert tells you that it increases the chance of meteor strikes happening. A meteor shield puts up a shield against meteors. I don't see how that could be misunderstood.

Right… But you have a shield against meteors. Doesn’t it delete the meteors without sustaining any damage? I’m not exactly sure how they work but it’s a fair assumption.

One would think if the station is fully shielded, you could stand to increase the frequency of the meteors without any negative things happening. You might be wrong, but that’s at least a good faith assumption.

If their intention was purely to grief (if it’s a permaban clearly that’s what the admin believes), why didn’t they emag more than two? Why didn’t they disable the meteor shields after?

[Armhulen]

Emagged meteor shields no longer function as meteor shields, they just increase probability of meteor events while active.

[datorangebottle]

Right… But you have a shield against meteors. Doesn’t it delete the meteors without sustaining any damage? I’m not exactly sure how they work but it’s a fair assumption.

One would think if the station is fully shielded, you could stand to increase the frequency of the meteors without any negative things happening. You might be wrong, but that’s at least a good faith assumption.

That's my understanding to how they work, but even without Arm coming in and saying that they don't work after being emagged: how does extra meteors being flung at the station become a positive thing? At best it's a not-negative thing, because it bonks harmlessly against the shield but we don't see any real benefit from it. Why would you risk the meteor shield failing, or the meteor missing the shield entirely and smashing into the hull, or one of the admins getting sick of your "nonantag emagging meteor shield" shit and deleting one(you wouldn't get in trouble for this, but it's a possibility), or someone further sabotaging the shields during a storm? All it takes is one lucky meteor slipping through to break a powerline and widen the gap, yeah?

If their intention was purely to grief (if it’s a permaban clearly that’s what the admin believes), why didn’t they emag more than two? Why didn’t they disable the meteor shields after?

A lot of the shields were already emagged, according to the appeal. I'm going to take OP at his word(because I don't want to log-dive) and say that only those 14 were emagged, making for 16 functional meteor shields if his math checks out. Why only two? Good question. At best, he was trying to rein in his curiosity and just test it. At worst, it was for plausible deniability; It's a lot easier to miss two messages in chat than sixteen. I can only speculate at his reasons for not emagging more shields.
According to Armhulenn, disabling the meteor shield after emagging it might not change anything. We don't know if it would decrease the chance of meteors striking, or if it's just a permanent offset. I'd like to think that it would decrease the chances, but that might not be the case.

[Armhulen]

Disabling a meteor shield that is emagged disables the increased meteor event chances, though lets be honest before my pr gets merged NOBODY is going to know that

[TheSmallBlue]

Again, this is the first time I have ever seen the sats actually be emagged in like, 4 years of playing this game/codebase

My brother in christ, when I first found out shoving forks into electrical outlets was a thing, I did not shove a fork into an electrical outlet directly afterwards because "this is the first time I have ever seen someone shove a fork into an electrical outlet"

[Armhulen]

Again, this is the first time I have ever seen the sats actually be emagged in like, 4 years of playing this game/codebase

My brother in christ, when I first found out shoving forks into electrical outlets was a thing, I did not shove a fork into an electrical outlet directly afterwards because "this is the first time I have ever seen someone shove a fork into an electrical outlet"

Eh, having looked at meteor shields a lot in my time, there really is terrible communication from it as a machine. I think Chip should have known better but at the same time I could see excusing it

[BrolyButterfingers]

I learnt alot of my engineering ICly, mostly from one/two people and had to handle the rest on my own.
I rarely get antag and when I do, I wouldn't even think that the sats do anything, the vault doesnt, the bsa doesnt, so why would the sats?

The BSA needs an emagged state. It could go: Blam! Blows target and the user up.

Even if that is true the issue of taking the emag from sec still stands.

Let an emagged one target suit sensors but also have a 15% chance to explode on use.

[TheSmallBlue]

Eh, having looked at meteor shields a lot in my time, there really is terrible communication from it as a machine. I think Chip should have known better but at the same time I could see excusing it

No this is still absurd, there's no excuse for it, if you find out that an emag does something, you shouldnt go ahead and test it when you're a non-antag. The argument shouldn't be whether or not it was ok because Chip didn't know using the emag on a meteor shild upped the meteor chance, the argument should be why he was using an emag on a meteor shield as a non-antag to begin with

[DevinXoptoh]

Eh, having looked at meteor shields a lot in my time, there really is terrible communication from it as a machine. I think Chip should have known better but at the same time I could see excusing it

No this is still absurd, there's no excuse for it, if you find out that an emag does something, you shouldnt go ahead and test it when you're a non-antag. The argument shouldn't be whether or not it was ok because Chip didn't know using the emag on a meteor shild upped the meteor chance, the argument should be why he was using an emag on a meteor shield as a non-antag to begin with

I understand having the emag as a non antag is an issue.
but that isnt the issue that is behind the ban, the issue is that I specifically used the emag on the shield sats without knowing what that did.

I have seen plenty of people carry "soft" contraband such as emags for EORG

[TheSmallBlue]

I have seen plenty of people carry "soft" contraband such as emags for EORG

Emphasis on carry, not use. I don't think having the emag is an issue, I think using the emag totally is though. You had no reason to, and your defense is "well I didn't know what would happen", which is absurd, if you weren't sure why did you do it

[DevinXoptoh]

I have seen plenty of people carry "soft" contraband such as emags for EORG

Emphasis on carry, not use. I don't think having the emag is an issue, I think using the emag totally is though. You had no reason to, and your defense is "well I didn't know what would happen", which is absurd, if you weren't sure why did you do it

I genuinely thought it did nothing, untill I checked logs while making my appeal.
I had absolutely no idea that it did

[datorangebottle]

I genuinely thought it did nothing, untill I checked logs while making my appeal.
I had absolutely no idea that it did

After I emagged the sats, I do not recall if another meteor storm hit, however, it was not to my knowledge that emagging the shield sats actually still caused meteors to have a higher chance of happening, I thought it was old code due to the outdated wiki. Evidence of such can be found in random spots on the wiki, such as the cult guide to use a "construction necklace"

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I know that I write a lot when I'm in the mood, but man. This stinks.

[CMDR_Gungnir]

Regardless of how this resolves... sigh... it's time for another one of THOSE prs.

Which one this time?

Well, I was GOING to clarify with an examine what the emagged sat was doing but whooop de doo it plainly says exactly what it does when you emag it

This peanut is delightfully spicy already, I look forward to seeing how it's developed when I wake up.

Of all the ways this delightfully spicy peanut could've developed, I did not expect "Gung baits someone into using the peanut to incriminate themselves for the third time" to be it.

[BeeSting12]

As a tgstation ban appeals lawyer, I recommend Devin exercise his right to remain silent and accept that the ban will not be lifted. Take a six month break, play elsewhere, and then in a year he should appeal apologetically. That's his best path to playing here again.

[Super Aggro Crag]

*fart*

[Jacquerel]

I think this guy should be banned not because he's obviously lying but because he has made 50% of the posts in his own peanut thread, shaking my head.

[carshalash]

I'd like to put out that the ban reason is incorrect, pumpkin (and myself included at the time) assumed that he only stole an emag from the storage or something to do this. But no, it's worse. He fucking stole an uplink to buy the emag to do this.


[2023-03-27 00:45:14.540] UPLINK: DevinXoptoh/(Chip Shafer) purchased Cryptographic Sequencer for 4 telecrystals from the pen's uplink

[ekaterina]

A permanent ban for this, seriously? Ban-hungry badmin moment.

[AsbestosSniffer]

A permanent ban for this, seriously? Ban-hungry badmin moment.

From what I understand, it was more of a combo of various reasons than just an emag moment, he was on thin ice before this incident.

[Fren256]

this game has a VERY toxic part to its community and the OOC comments made towards myself as of late prove this greatly

No Devin, you're just a shitter. Get a clue.

[DevinXoptoh]

this game has a VERY toxic part to its community and the OOC comments made towards myself as of late prove this greatly

No Devin, you're just a shitter. Get a clue.

I quite literally had a player, tell me to kill myself OOC for, doing my job as a security officer.

I have no clue who you play ICly and I have no clue who you are. You are quick to judge character considering I have possibly never interacted with you.

Whatever it is you get from putting someone onto blast for, literally no reason, get a grip

[Not-Dorsidarf]

I quite literally had a player, tell me to kill myself OOC for, doing my job as a security officer.

Did you ahelp it

[conrad]

this game has a VERY toxic part to its community and the OOC comments made towards myself as of late prove this greatly

No Devin, you're just a shitter. Get a clue.

I quite literally had a player, tell me to kill myself OOC for, doing my job as a security officer.

I have no clue who you play ICly and I have no clue who you are. You are quick to judge character considering I have possibly never interacted with you.

Whatever it is you get from putting someone onto blast for, literally no reason, get a grip

If what you said is true about you wanting to take a break for your mental health and the ban being a bless in disguise, I suggest not coming back to this thread specifically (which is tough, I know, the lil new post red flag makes it tempting) and actually taking a break. And I don't mean this as "Take a hike, kid", I genuinely mean take some time to focus on something different.

You're already banned. There's no point in being banned and upset/stressed as well.

[Unsane]

Man, I love Chip as a player and as a person... I just wish he is more careful when doing shits because holy shit he's prone to get banned anywhere. I just want to play more with him

[Misdoubtful]

this game has a VERY toxic part to its community and the OOC comments made towards myself as of late prove this greatly

No Devin, you're just a shitter. Get a clue.

I quite literally had a player, tell me to kill myself OOC for, doing my job as a security officer.

I have no clue who you play ICly and I have no clue who you are. You are quick to judge character considering I have possibly never interacted with you.

Whatever it is you get from putting someone onto blast for, literally no reason, get a grip

If what you said is true about you wanting to take a break for your mental health and the ban being a bless in disguise, I suggest not coming back to this thread specifically (which is tough, I know, the lil new post red flag makes it tempting) and actually taking a break. And I don't mean this as "Take a hike, kid", I genuinely mean take some time to focus on something different.

You're already banned. There's no point in being banned and upset/stressed as well.

Preach it.

Involving yourself in your own peanuts is a recipe for conflict.

[Epicgamer545]

Witnessed this ban being applied. I agree that the perma was a bit too far fetched however this whole situation was a little stupid when your a CE and you put two and two together, get a EMAG, and say “hmm today I should straight up emag the meteor sats”

Edit: No offense to the CE though. Glad they decided to take a break from all of this. Don’t take this in the wrong way

[Cheshify]

I have a theory, and it's not intended to be an insult to the player. In fact, I hope they enjoy the rest and return with an awesome appeal and be welcomed back to the community with open arms.

Do you ever do something you know is stupid, but it's incredibly fun and you think would be cool to see, and then when confronted about it, you tell a little white lie to remove some accountability and get off with an easier punishment? Well, I think we've all been in that situation, and I think what usually ends up happening is you just keep adding on tiny little pieces of misinformation until you're full of inconsistencies and everything falls apart. I've been in this situation before outside of SS13, and the best thing that I could have done was just talking to the person I was lying to, explaining how a little white lie to make everyone feel better resulted in a big heap of lies, and then asking what I can do to fix the issue at hand.

This isn't necessarily what happened here, I believe that honesty and admitting faults help everyone in all situations. When it's two individuals speaking truthfully and earnestly to each other, there's nothing that can't be hashed out without a permanent ban.

Devin, have a good break, care for yourself.

[Kassori]

Devin, you're far from the worst player I've encountered, your absolute insanity has at times contributed to and made memorable stories and rounds. I fondly remember watching you fucking dunk on the captain and HoS on skyrat for trying to kill Poly for being on the radio. I've seen, on many occasions add some spice to an otherwise boring engineering department.

I've also seen you declare that anyone that abuses a nitrium+healium to be excessively power-gaming, and that anyone using it should be banned, then proceed to use it the very next day.
I've seen you sabotage the test-server run of a new antag by grabbing a fire-axe and venting the entire station to maximize body count.
I've seen the manny-cord, on numerous occasions go "Oh, he was NOT an antag?" at round end because of blatantly antagonistic actions you preformed.

I'll extend a bit of good faith-here and work under the impression that you really just want to be the star of the show, and that's cool when it's your antag round, be the moustache twirling victim. And you know what? Fuck, that's cool if your idea is good enough or RNG has the stars align on some rare opportunity, but you've really got to cut it out with doing that crap every round.
The alternative is that you don't give a shit about anyone else's experience.

I hope to see you again under better circumstances again, dude.

Also, the only time you should comment in your own peanut thread is to apologize for being a dumbass, it goes over MUCH better. I speak from personal experience.

[Timonk]

Did we just ignore the legendary septuple Post in your own peanut thread by chip

[conrad]

Did we just ignore the legendary septuple Post in your own peanut thread by chip

We didn't. It got treated as an unironic call for a mental health check.

[sinfulbliss]

Emagging the gravgen (whatever that does) then saying it was a misinput is pretty damning. But regardless, why a permanent ban? That's a whole year with vouches man, that's rough.

Shouldn't permabans be reserved for the absolute worst of the worst shitters that consistently make rounds they're a part of worse? Already in this appeal it looks like that's just not the case. Why not like a 2 month ban with a vouch? Anything.

My main concern here is not the actual destruction you may or may not have caused, but the fact that you went out of your way to secure an emag from the brig as a non-antagonist and emag the shield satellites.

This part also rubbed me the wrong way. Securing an emag from the brig and emagging shield sats is bad because _____ (fill in the blank). Because it causes damage I imagine. If your actions don't cause damage then they're not something you should be banned for surely.

Two things that would've been useful to know are 1) the damage that "may or may not have been caused" (did it cause damage or not? IT MATTERS SURELY) and 2) the note history. The latter of which is private but I've heard again and again that notes only can justify larger bans when it's related notes, or there's a lot of recent ones.

[CMDR_Gungnir]

Shouldn't permabans be reserved for the absolute worst of the worst shitters that consistently make rounds they're a part of worse? Already in this appeal it looks like that's just not the case. Why not like a 2 month ban with a vouch? Anything.
(...)
2) the note history. The latter of which is private but I've heard again and again that notes only can justify larger bans when it's related notes, or there's a lot of recent ones.

So the ban reason listed in the thread isn't actually the full reason. The full reason, as listed on the public bans page, states that he has a lot of notes and a few bans this month.

[Tegun]

Do you ever do something you know is stupid, but it's incredibly fun and you think would be cool to see, and then when confronted about it, you tell a little white lie to remove some accountability and get off with an easier punishment?

No I hate fun

[Archie700]

This part also rubbed me the wrong way. Securing an emag from the brig and emagging shield sats is bad because _____ (fill in the blank). Because it causes damage I imagine. If your actions don't cause damage then they're not something you should be banned for surely.

1. Emagging shield sats not only increases the chance for meteor event, but disable the "meteor protection" function, making the sats completely useless for protecting the station from meteors.
If it was just increasing meteor chance then it wouldn't be a good sabotage weapon.
2. Emagging machinery in general can range from funny shit (emagging security masks to make the funny shitcurity voicelines), to being helpful for traitors (chem dispensers and booze dispensers producing toxins), to the outright deadly (bots malfunctioning and destroying the station). Playing around with the emag without knowing what can do is at your own peril if you're not an antagonist.
3. The guy thought the wiki was outdated and yet did not ask the admins whether emagging the shield sats will still do anything.

[sinfulbliss]

This part also rubbed me the wrong way. Securing an emag from the brig and emagging shield sats is bad because _____ (fill in the blank). Because it causes damage I imagine. If your actions don't cause damage then they're not something you should be banned for surely.

1. Emagging shield sats not only increases the chance for meteor event, but disable the "meteor protection" function, making the sats completely useless for protecting the station from meteors.
If it was just increasing meteor chance then it wouldn't be a good sabotage weapon.
2. Emagging machinery in general can range from funny shit (emagging security masks to make the funny shitcurity voicelines), to being helpful for traitors (chem dispensers and booze dispensers producing toxins), to the outright deadly (bots malfunctioning and destroying the station). Playing around with the emag without knowing what can do is at your own peril if you're not an antagonist.
3. The guy thought the wiki was outdated and yet did not ask the admins whether emagging the shield sats will still do anything.

The same argument could be applied to emagging a sechaler. It's irrelevant whether or not it actually caused damage, the point is that it could've caused damage, and you are a nonantagonist fiddling around with an emag mechanic that may very well do something bad. This argument obviously doesn't work, emagging something is only a bad thing if it causes tangible damage.

Which is why it's so odd the damage the meteor shield emagging caused isn't ever brought up.

[Archie700]

This part also rubbed me the wrong way. Securing an emag from the brig and emagging shield sats is bad because _____ (fill in the blank). Because it causes damage I imagine. If your actions don't cause damage then they're not something you should be banned for surely.

1. Emagging shield sats not only increases the chance for meteor event, but disable the "meteor protection" function, making the sats completely useless for protecting the station from meteors.
If it was just increasing meteor chance then it wouldn't be a good sabotage weapon.
2. Emagging machinery in general can range from funny shit (emagging security masks to make the funny shitcurity voicelines), to being helpful for traitors (chem dispensers and booze dispensers producing toxins), to the outright deadly (bots malfunctioning and destroying the station). Playing around with the emag without knowing what can do is at your own peril if you're not an antagonist.
3. The guy thought the wiki was outdated and yet did not ask the admins whether emagging the shield sats will still do anything.

The same argument could be applied to emagging a sechaler. It's irrelevant whether or not it actually caused damage, the point is that it could've caused damage, and you are a nonantagonist fiddling around with an emag mechanic that may very well do something bad. This argument obviously doesn't work, emagging something is only a bad thing if it causes tangible damage.

Which is why it's so odd the damage the meteor shield emagging caused isn't ever brought up.

My main concern here is not the actual destruction you may or may not have caused, but the fact that you went out of your way to secure an emag from the brig as a non-antagonist and emag the shield satellites. Despite this, I want to bring you the perspective as well that any shield satellites that are emagged no longer function: They stop shooting down meteors entirely. Even if you had not known that the shield sats could be emagged, or what they would do when emagged, there is no reason you should have pursued doing so as a non-antagonist. There are very, very little things that the emag does that are a net positive to the station - most, if anything, cause very bad things to happen when they're sabotaged. If you were curious about the function of the shield satellites, you should have taken other courses of actions to verify what they do: Checking the code, asking admins, asking other players. You had been told by other members of the command team that emagging them summons more meteors, both before and after you attempted to emag the shield satellite.

EmpressMaia emagging the shield satellites may have caused more damage to the station. However, that does not mean that the issue here is solved: You should not have been, as a non-antagonist, actively seeking out an emag in order to emag important protective parts of the station like this that had a high chance of causing more station sabotage. You said in the peanut that you thought it was the gravity generator that attracted meteors.

Also, for what reason would you emag the shield sats other than to cause damage. There is no way someone is purposefully emagging the satellites without ill intentions. It attracts meteors and disables protection; there's no benefit to the station.

[sinfulbliss]

My main concern here is not the actual destruction you may or may not have caused, but the fact that you went out of your way to secure an emag from the brig as a non-antagonist and emag the shield satellites. Despite this, I want to bring you the perspective as well that any shield satellites that are emagged no longer function: They stop shooting down meteors entirely. Even if you had not known that the shield sats could be emagged, or what they would do when emagged, there is no reason you should have pursued doing so as a non-antagonist. There are very, very little things that the emag does that are a net positive to the station - most, if anything, cause very bad things to happen when they're sabotaged. If you were curious about the function of the shield satellites, you should have taken other courses of actions to verify what they do: Checking the code, asking admins, asking other players. You had been told by other members of the command team that emagging them summons more meteors, both before and after you attempted to emag the shield satellite.

EmpressMaia emagging the shield satellites may have caused more damage to the station. However, that does not mean that the issue here is solved: You should not have been, as a non-antagonist, actively seeking out an emag in order to emag important protective parts of the station like this that had a high chance of causing more station sabotage. You said in the peanut that you thought it was the gravity generator that attracted meteors.

I too read the ban appeal.

Also, for what reason would you emag the shield sats other than to cause damage. There is no way someone is purposefully emagging the satellites without ill intentions. It attracts meteors and disables protection; there's no benefit to the station.

For the hell of it, to see what it does. Curiosity? Every single action doesn't need to be justified behind layers of logical reasoning. Curiosity isn't really a bad thing unless it causes harm or damage to the station. No where was it mentioned what tangible damage this did. Maybe it destroyed half the station, maybe not a single tile was damaged, I've no clue but that probably should matter.

[Fikou]

Ship Chafer and Raia Moentgen are now canon in ss13 code

[Epicgamer545]

For the hell of it, to see what it does. Curiosity?

But the wiki specifically states that emagging the meteor sat does nothing good. I argue that curiosity isn’t a valid reason when the information is right there for you to read.

...unless they're emagged, which will instead significantly increase the chance of meteors!

Besides, even if there’s a chance nothing bad would happen, it still does nothing good in general. It doesn’t help anything at all, and it has the intention of increasing chances in their favor in order to cause destruction to the station. In this case, it is opening themself to being accused of grief.

[Armhulen]

Ship Chafer and Raia Moentgen are now canon in ss13 code

They can now join the cool kids club with Savannah Ivanov and Marlowe Treeby

[WineAllWine]

Final note:
Admins: NoTeS aRe NoT a PuNiShMeNt
Also admins: Has many recent notes, some including random bombings, and a few bans during this month as well.

I thought we all collectively agreed that notes ARE punishment now. It's 2023 for goodness sake