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Once upon a midnight dreary, manuel players, weak and weary. Along comes shockshard to save the day! with his endless administrative antagonistic fray!
Here Shock shard spawns in as the traitor acting captain of the shift, gives himself prison equipment? and sets him name to 'unknown'.
09:49:46 GAME ShockShard/(ghost) Client ShockShard/(ghost) has taken ownership of mob the ghost(/mob/dead/observer) (95, 123, 2) Space
09:50:00 ADMIN ShockShard/(Richard Creech) checked antagonists.
09:53:59 ACCESS Mob Login: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human
09:53:59 GAME ShockShard/(Richard Creech) Client ShockShard/(Richard Creech) has taken ownership of mob Richard Creech(/mob/living/carbon/human) (57, 37, 2) Prison Rec Room
09:53:59 ADMIN *no key*/(Richard Creech) changed the equipment of ShockShard/(Richard Creech) to Prisoner.
09:54:17 GAME ShockShard/(Richard Creech) Richard Creech name changed from Richard Creech to Unknown (57, 37, 2) Prison Rec Room
Shortly after, shock shard spawns himself in a security radio headset? along with tons of pumpkins! for some reason!
09:54:47 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/radio/headset/headset_sec
09:55:08 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:10 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:12 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:13 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:14 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:15 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:17 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:18 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:19 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:20 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:33 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin
09:55:34 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin
09:55:35 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin
09:55:36 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin
09:55:37 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin
09:55:38 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin
Right after, the game automatically deadmins him due to being an antagonist. to which he responds which setting himself back into admin!
09:56:17 ADMIN ShockShard deadmined via auto-deadmin config.
09:56:17 GAME ShockShard/(Unknown) has gained antag datum �Traitor(/datum/antagonist/traitor).
09:56:24 TRAITOR ShockShard/(Unknown) has received a potential objective: /datum/traitor_objective/destroy_item/low_risk (Name: Steal the bartender's shotgun and destroy it, TC: 1, Progression: 5032, Time of creation: 45413.5) | Forced: 0
09:56:24 TRAITOR ShockShard/(Unknown) missed /datum/traitor_objective/sabotage_machinery/trap (Name: Sabotage the department protolathe (Science), TC: 0, Progression: 2126.04, Time of creation: 45340.5)
09:56:26 ADMIN ShockShard re-adminned themselves.
then shock changes himself into a heretic and re-admins himself!
09:56:49 ADMIN ShockShard deadmined via auto-deadmin config.
09:56:49 GAME ShockShard/(Unknown) has gained antag datum �Heretic(/datum/antagonist/heretic).
09:56:55 ADMIN ShockShard re-adminned themselves.
Later he spawns himself a fountain pen to make a codex cicatrix!
did you tab into in the wrong sub forum or something, this is where we arbitrarily decide whether to support or make fun of your admin complaint not where you post it
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:02 am
did you tab into in the wrong sub forum or something, this is where we arbitrarily decide whether to support or make fun of your admin complaint not where you post it
its a peanut, i was told it was already handeled aministratively
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:02 am
did you tab into in the wrong sub forum or something, this is where we arbitrarily decide whether to support or make fun of your admin complaint not where you post it
its a peanut, i was told it was already handeled aministratively
compared to the holodeck card game this looks insane. I hope headmins can disclose what happened to the admin.
EDIT: iwishforducks is completely right, you should make a complaint
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Jacquerel wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:02 am
did you tab into in the wrong sub forum or something, this is where we arbitrarily decide whether to support or make fun of your admin complaint not where you post it
its a peanut, i was told it was already handeled aministratively
you should still make an admin complaint so that there's public record and accountability here, who knows what the admins do and don't know
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:02 am
did you tab into in the wrong sub forum or something, this is where we arbitrarily decide whether to support or make fun of your admin complaint not where you post it
its a peanut, i was told it was already handeled aministratively
you should still make an admin complaint so that there's public record and accountability here, who knows what the admins do and don't know
for future reference, the best way to clone over your posts is to press the quote button and then copy/cut everything inside of the quote. i also provided the round ID but you should go ahead and edit this thread to link the complaint and peanut-ize it with whatever you want
I've been saying this guy was a shitmin who got his position from nepotism for a while, and I'm disappointed it took everyone this long to figure it out, but I'm glad people are finally starting to see.
Edit: Also this is the dude who loves forcing Nations without asking or telling anyone, and then silently hitting Reject on ahelps when people get griefed because of it.
CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:17 am
I've been saying this guy was a shitmin who got his position from nepotism for a while, and I'm disappointed it took everyone this long to figure it out, but I'm glad people are finally starting to see.
Edit: Also this is the dude who loves forcing Nations without asking or telling anyone, and then silently hitting Reject on ahelps when people get griefed because of it.
Why don't you leave feedback in places where people can see it? Like complaints or admin feedback?
AKA tattle
Help improve my neural network by giving me feedback!
CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:17 am
I've been saying this guy was a shitmin who got his position from nepotism for a while, and I'm disappointed it took everyone this long to figure it out, but I'm glad people are finally starting to see.
Edit: Also this is the dude who loves forcing Nations without asking or telling anyone, and then silently hitting Reject on ahelps when people get griefed because of it.
Why don't you leave feedback in places where people can see it? Like complaints or admin feedback?
Because I have a bad habit of calling him out and insulting him when he does this and it's gotten me banned twice and a Final Warning by Timberpoes on said second one, and I'd rather not push my luck and have him (Timber) decide to change his mind.
CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:17 am
Edit: Also this is the dude who loves forcing Nations without asking or telling anyone, and then silently hitting Reject on ahelps when people get griefed because of it.
Holy based, I'm less of an admin because I don't have the nads to do that
CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:17 am
Edit: Also this is the dude who loves forcing Nations without asking or telling anyone, and then silently hitting Reject on ahelps when people get griefed because of it.
this dude rules readmin him at once.
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Wesoda25 wrote:Genuinely think they should be blacklisted.
You have clearly never seen his dick
Lower your tone with me if your tracked play time doesn't look like this:
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Jacquerel wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:02 am
did you tab into in the wrong sub forum or something, this is where we arbitrarily decide whether to support or make fun of your admin complaint not where you post it
its a peanut, i was told it was already handeled aministratively
3) If you were told it was handled, then what is the complaint supposed to achieve?
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm
As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
Spoiler:
Reply PM from-REDACTED/(REDACTED): i tried to remove the bruises by changing her gender
PM: Bluespace->Delaron: Nobody wants a mime's asscheeks farting on their brig windows.
PM: REDACTED->HotelBravoLima: Oh come on, knowing that these are hostile aliens is metagaming
[17:43] <Aranclanos> any other question ping me again
[17:43] <Vekter> Aranclanos for nicest coder 2015
[17:44] <Aranclanos> fuck you
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:02 am
did you tab into in the wrong sub forum or something, this is where we arbitrarily decide whether to support or make fun of your admin complaint not where you post it
its a peanut, i was told it was already handeled aministratively
3) If you were told it was handled, then what is the complaint supposed to achieve?
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:02 am
did you tab into in the wrong sub forum or something, this is where we arbitrarily decide whether to support or make fun of your admin complaint not where you post it
its a peanut, i was told it was already handeled aministratively
3) If you were told it was handled, then what is the complaint supposed to achieve?
iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:12 am
so that there's public record and accountability here, who knows what the admins do and don't know
they were talked to on the manuelcord by other users, and ShockShard had said they had "asked admins if it was okay to play as antagonist as admin"- leaving out the part where they had given themselves antag. i think it's worthwhile to double check the facts are straight
iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:57 am
they were talked to on the manuelcord by other users, and ShockShard had said they had "asked admins if it was okay to play as antagonist as admin"- leaving out the part where they had given themselves antag. i think it's worthwhile to double check the facts are straight
That's not the same as it being handled by administration, what?
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm
As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
Spoiler:
Reply PM from-REDACTED/(REDACTED): i tried to remove the bruises by changing her gender
PM: Bluespace->Delaron: Nobody wants a mime's asscheeks farting on their brig windows.
PM: REDACTED->HotelBravoLima: Oh come on, knowing that these are hostile aliens is metagaming
[17:43] <Aranclanos> any other question ping me again
[17:43] <Vekter> Aranclanos for nicest coder 2015
[17:44] <Aranclanos> fuck you
iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:57 am
they were talked to on the manuelcord by other users, and ShockShard had said they had "asked admins if it was okay to play as antagonist as admin"- leaving out the part where they had given themselves antag. i think it's worthwhile to double check the facts are straight
That's not the same as it being handled by administration, what?
I didn't read whatever happened on discord. I was told MSO handled it by Dat legion
Seems pretty clear cut to me. Honestly This feels like deadmin stuff to me; it’s so much worse then summoning it in a laser due to anger. They had time to THINK about this.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:02 am
did you tab into in the wrong sub forum or something, this is where we arbitrarily decide whether to support or make fun of your admin complaint not where you post it
its a peanut, i was told it was already handeled aministratively
3) If you were told it was handled, then what is the complaint supposed to achieve?
i mean, i would like to know how it was handled because this is crazy
Yeah this is a case where we need to know what happened. There's a time to be vague and a time for transparency and this is the latter. If people don't see what happens, they're gonna be pissed, and it's gonna seem like nothing happens.
EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:01 am
I didn't read whatever happened on discord. I was told MSO handled it by Dat legion
That's not exactly what he was saying, I think there was also a great lack of context in the manuelcord which is probably why these sorts of things should be contained to the forums anyways.
I mostly agree with oranges and I don't think this is a valid complaint. It doesn't look like Shockshard was acting in bad faith and that's the important part.
EDIT: Changed my mind. I don't think this is what events should be. They should be something that benefits the players, not an excuse to kill people as heretic.
However, I really don't think admins should be running events like this. While it can make the round more enjoyable it still seems selfish.
Last edited by Mice World on Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:41 am, edited 1 time in total.
How is this sort of shit slipping through the cracks man. I'm not an admin but "don't spawn yourself as an antagonist and then kill people" seems REALLY fucking basic as a conduct guideline. Why did it require a complaint from an uninvolved third party when clearly plenty of people (including other admins) knew about it? And why are people being hostile to Maia for the report? Just very very bizarre behavior.
The Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
Drag wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:51 pm
We should do a weighted random headmins vote, let God decide
It would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Lacran wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:02 pm
If you can't do the time, don't play a mime
kayozz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:04 pm
Don't wanna get beat? Keep your clown shoes on your feet.
kieth4 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:03 pm
I have clapped women with cat ears but I would not clap a cat fr kinda a flarped up connection
Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:13 pm
I don't care if you disagree, you're wrong.
yttriums wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:13 am
borg players shouldn't be able to ahelp. you signed up to play as a piece of equipment. this is like a table ahelping you for wrenching it
dendydoom wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:02 pm
basically what we learned from this is that i continue to be right about everything
conrad wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:00 am
Wait, you weren't even in the round?
Why would this even matter??? If an admin spawns themselves in as an antagonist and kills people, does someone really have to be in the round for that to become complaint worthy?
I think it'd be best to forbid admins from running events like this. It's really just "antag killing people + extra roleplay" and that's usually not a fun event.
conrad wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:00 am
Wait, you weren't even in the round?
Why would this even matter??? If an admin spawns themselves in as an antagonist and kills people, does someone really have to be in the round for that to become complaint worthy?
Because it lacks context. Nobody in the actual round complained. In fact, one of the other players in the round was skeptical about this.
I am not in the manuelcord, and everything I heard of this came from there. It feels like witchunty behaviour, and ultimately wastes people's time.
CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:17 am
I've been saying this guy was a shitmin who got his position from nepotism for a while, and I'm disappointed it took everyone this long to figure it out, but I'm glad people are finally starting to see.
Edit: Also this is the dude who loves forcing Nations without asking or telling anyone, and then silently hitting Reject on ahelps when people get griefed because of it.
See this? I can call citation needed on the nepotism bit, and I know from looking at round data that ShockShard done Nations once in the last month. Not really qualifying for "loves forcing Nations" in my opinion. So with this sort of response from actual manuel players, I don't feel there's a lot of backing to the complaint.
If a player from the round talks about it in favour of the complaint in the thread (and I'm sure they'll know of it, considering how clickey manuelcord seems to be), I'll happily change my mind.
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dendydoom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 11:51 am
conrad is a badass
The Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
Drag wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:51 pm
We should do a weighted random headmins vote, let God decide
It would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Lacran wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:02 pm
If you can't do the time, don't play a mime
kayozz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:04 pm
Don't wanna get beat? Keep your clown shoes on your feet.
kieth4 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:03 pm
I have clapped women with cat ears but I would not clap a cat fr kinda a flarped up connection
Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:13 pm
I don't care if you disagree, you're wrong.
yttriums wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:13 am
borg players shouldn't be able to ahelp. you signed up to play as a piece of equipment. this is like a table ahelping you for wrenching it
dendydoom wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:02 pm
basically what we learned from this is that i continue to be right about everything
conrad wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:00 am
Wait, you weren't even in the round?
Why would this even matter??? If an admin spawns themselves in as an antagonist and kills people, does someone really have to be in the round for that to become complaint worthy?
Because it lacks context. Nobody in the actual round complained. In fact, one of the other players in the round was skeptical about this
So people have to complain for something to be admin misconduct now? Keep in mind a tiny infinitesimal fraction of the total playerbase even has a forum account, or is even on the Discord to begin with, why would you assume "if no one from the round complained, clearly all the players were fine with it"? I'm sure most people who are negatively impacted by this sort of thing just shrug and close the game then play something else.
It is just bizarre to me to see this sort of response. How does one see an admin give themselves heretic, kill people with it while adminned, and then their first reaction is to ignore it entirely and ask the complaint poster "wait, you weren't in the round?" Maybe your opinion will be different now that Timber's made it officially kosher to agree this was terrible conduct.
iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:57 am
they were talked to on the manuelcord by other users, and ShockShard had said they had "asked admins if it was okay to play as antagonist as admin"- leaving out the part where they had given themselves antag. i think it's worthwhile to double check the facts are straight
That's not the same as it being handled by administration, what?
I didn't read whatever happened on discord. I was told MSO handled it by Dat legion
Why are you playing a goddamn game of telephone, this is how miscommunication happens god damnit
Let me preface: Shocked realized their fuck up right after it happened, alerting the supportmins after the round in question to get our input. Senior admins AND HEADMINS have already discussed this in related admin channels with Shocked.
Regardless if the complainer is part of the round or not is irrelevant, admin conduct is subjected to review by any individual if they notice the conduct at any point. Admin complaint forums are designed to keep /Tg/ staff accountable for their actions. I am a strong believer admins should not be admined as an antagonist, but I'm not against admins playmining. Spawning items in as an antagonist is CHEATING.
I make plenty of mistakes myself, sometimes it takes hindsight to make me realize what I did was stupid/looked bad. Which, is fine. I'm human, and so are all of you (probably). The question here is: does Shocked need more training, or are they going to adjust and let this mistake move behind them?
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 5:59 am
How is this sort of shit slipping through the cracks man. I'm not an admin but "don't spawn yourself as an antagonist and then kill people" seems REALLY fucking basic as a conduct guideline. Why did it require a complaint from an uninvolved third party when clearly plenty of people (including other admins) knew about it? And why are people being hostile to Maia for the report? Just very very bizarre behavior.
Seems like headmins were already looking into it before maia said anything. Agreed though that noone should be mad at the report. Interested players looking into and reporting admin abuse has led to admin abuse which may otherwise go unnoticed get noticed/punished. Also you're right, it's absolutely a pretty basic thing. Just go read the successful complaints section and see how many of them are admins getting themselves in trouble because they spawned themselves in as an antag or spawned shit for themselves as antag.
There's a reason why admin conduct says to think twice if you're spawning yourself in and killing people. When I was admin, I thought twice before even spawning myself in on the station. 99% of the time, I only spawned myself to give players briefings on their role in the event. Lowpop is different, but that just means you should be using existing antags for your event instead of ghosts, not spawning yourself in.
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Spoiler:
OOC: Hunterh98: to be fair sloan is one of the, if not the, most robust folks on tg
DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
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Spawning yourself in for a gimmick is fine but when dynamic makes you an antag, just remove it / give it to someone else
Spawning shit as antag, if it's an event thing, that's fine, but this was a dynamic, not event
I hear a lot of noise about spawning himself in as acting captain (despite being a "prisoner") and "giving himself antag". Dynamic rolled him traitor and he swapped it (dubious action for sure but not directly giving himself antag, although it definitely didn't improve the situation)
The Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
Drag wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:51 pm
We should do a weighted random headmins vote, let God decide
It would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Lacran wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:02 pm
If you can't do the time, don't play a mime
kayozz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:04 pm
Don't wanna get beat? Keep your clown shoes on your feet.
kieth4 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:03 pm
I have clapped women with cat ears but I would not clap a cat fr kinda a flarped up connection
Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:13 pm
I don't care if you disagree, you're wrong.
yttriums wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:13 am
borg players shouldn't be able to ahelp. you signed up to play as a piece of equipment. this is like a table ahelping you for wrenching it
dendydoom wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:02 pm
basically what we learned from this is that i continue to be right about everything
Drag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:46 am
Let me preface: Shocked realized their fuck up right after it happened, alerting the supportmins after the round in question to get our input. Senior admins AND HEADMINS have already discussed this in related admin channels with Shocked.
To be completely honest with you, if someone accused them of breaching conduct in Discord after a round happened, contacting supportmins after doesn't really mean a lot. It's strategically what you would do to minimize the blowback from the mistake after it was publicized.
Drag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:46 amI make plenty of mistakes myself, sometimes it takes hindsight to make me realize what I did was stupid/looked bad. Which, is fine. I'm human, and so are all of you (probably). The question here is: does Shocked need more training, or are they going to adjust and let this mistake move behind them?
Using admin powers to "pick" the antag you want, against what's even allowed for the round rules, then checking antags and spawning things as an admin WHILE antagging (if this wasn't to obtain metainfo then what was it for?), is completely insane -- there is something to be said for the fact that if a player even thought about doing something like this, they would be permabanned, told to take a long break and come back in several months with a vouch. There would be no "valuable lesson" learned and no "adjustment period."
That said they only have like 300~ rounds played which is not a lot for an admin, I imagine they needed more training -- but spawning items to help you antag, on an antag type you chose because "haha muh admin powers," is just really terrible. The "event" excuse totally breaks down after they were shown to kill multiple people.
Drag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:46 am
Let me preface: Shocked realized their fuck up right after it happened, alerting the supportmins after the round in question to get our input. Senior admins AND HEADMINS have already discussed this in related admin channels with Shocked.
Regardless if the complainer is part of the round or not is irrelevant, admin conduct is subjected to review by any individual if they notice the conduct at any point. Admin complaint forums are designed to keep /Tg/ staff accountable for their actions. I am a strong believer admins should not be admined as an antagonist, but I'm not against admins playmining. Spawning items in as an antagonist is CHEATING.
I make plenty of mistakes myself, sometimes it takes hindsight to make me realize what I did was stupid/looked bad. Which, is fine. I'm human, and so are all of you (probably). The question here is: does Shocked need more training, or are they going to adjust and let this mistake move behind them?
Drag, you know I like you.
But this is an awful take. I could accept MAYBE "oh wow maybe I shouldn't have taken an antag roll I wasn't supposed to get" but there is no "oh wow maybe I shouldn't have tc traded myself" (bonus points for the fact it couldn't even roll naturally) there is no "oh wow maybe I shouldn't have killed a bunch of people as a spawned in self-traded antag". That's not a mistake, and the "OH NO GUYS I MADE A MISTAKE" is called "covering your ass".
Slipping on a banana peel is a mistake. Baking a cake is not.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:02 am
did you tab into in the wrong sub forum or something, this is where we arbitrarily decide whether to support or make fun of your admin complaint not where you post it
its a peanut, i was told it was already handeled aministratively
3) If you were told it was handled, then what is the complaint supposed to achieve?
She didn't make her own peanut, she made the peanut first, and then the complaint.
The complaint is supposed to achieve putting this incident in the public record, obviously.
Personally I'm not against admins spicing up lowpop rounds.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
toemas wrote: ↑
ekaterina is really funny because they just consistently say what should be complete common sense (...) and then they get dogpiled by everyone in the thread
kinnebian wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 12:51 am
i agree with ekaterina but in a less aggressive manner
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am
Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
warbluke wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:03 am
Suboptimal research play detected, deploying lethal force.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am
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Drag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:46 am
Let me preface: Shocked realized their fuck up right after it happened, alerting the supportmins after the round in question to get our input. Senior admins AND HEADMINS have already discussed this in related admin channels with Shocked.
Regardless if the complainer is part of the round or not is irrelevant, admin conduct is subjected to review by any individual if they notice the conduct at any point. Admin complaint forums are designed to keep /Tg/ staff accountable for their actions. I am a strong believer admins should not be admined as an antagonist, but I'm not against admins playmining. Spawning items in as an antagonist is CHEATING.
I make plenty of mistakes myself, sometimes it takes hindsight to make me realize what I did was stupid/looked bad. Which, is fine. I'm human, and so are all of you (probably). The question here is: does Shocked need more training, or are they going to adjust and let this mistake move behind them?
Drag, you know I like you.
But this is an awful take. I could accept MAYBE "oh wow maybe I shouldn't have taken an antag roll I wasn't supposed to get" but there is no "oh wow maybe I shouldn't have tc traded myself" (bonus points for the fact it couldn't even roll naturally) there is no "oh wow maybe I shouldn't have killed a bunch of people as a spawned in self-traded antag". That's not a mistake, and the "OH NO GUYS I MADE A MISTAKE" is called "covering your ass".
Slipping on a banana peel is a mistake. Baking a cake is not.
Lynching people over one mistake does now allow them room to grow, should there be a consequence? Absolutely. Was this a dumb thing to do and does it reflect poorly on them? Yeah. However, I don't believe there was any strong malicious intent. I believe they should receive more training and have more of an eye on them.
Drag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:46 am
Let me preface: Shocked realized their fuck up right after it happened, alerting the supportmins after the round in question to get our input. Senior admins AND HEADMINS have already discussed this in related admin channels with Shocked.
Regardless if the complainer is part of the round or not is irrelevant, admin conduct is subjected to review by any individual if they notice the conduct at any point. Admin complaint forums are designed to keep /Tg/ staff accountable for their actions. I am a strong believer admins should not be admined as an antagonist, but I'm not against admins playmining. Spawning items in as an antagonist is CHEATING.
I make plenty of mistakes myself, sometimes it takes hindsight to make me realize what I did was stupid/looked bad. Which, is fine. I'm human, and so are all of you (probably). The question here is: does Shocked need more training, or are they going to adjust and let this mistake move behind them?
Drag, you know I like you.
But this is an awful take. I could accept MAYBE "oh wow maybe I shouldn't have taken an antag roll I wasn't supposed to get" but there is no "oh wow maybe I shouldn't have tc traded myself" (bonus points for the fact it couldn't even roll naturally) there is no "oh wow maybe I shouldn't have killed a bunch of people as a spawned in self-traded antag". That's not a mistake, and the "OH NO GUYS I MADE A MISTAKE" is called "covering your ass".
Slipping on a banana peel is a mistake. Baking a cake is not.
Lynching people over one mistake does now allow them room to grow, should there be a consequence? Absolutely. Was this a dumb thing to do and does it reflect poorly on them? Yeah. However, I don't believe there was any strong malicious intent. I believe they should receive more training and have more of an eye on them.
Excising a cancer over one mistake does not allow it to grow
Drag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:46 am
Let me preface: Shocked realized their fuck up right after it happened, alerting the supportmins after the round in question to get our input. Senior admins AND HEADMINS have already discussed this in related admin channels with Shocked.
Regardless if the complainer is part of the round or not is irrelevant, admin conduct is subjected to review by any individual if they notice the conduct at any point. Admin complaint forums are designed to keep /Tg/ staff accountable for their actions. I am a strong believer admins should not be admined as an antagonist, but I'm not against admins playmining. Spawning items in as an antagonist is CHEATING.
I make plenty of mistakes myself, sometimes it takes hindsight to make me realize what I did was stupid/looked bad. Which, is fine. I'm human, and so are all of you (probably). The question here is: does Shocked need more training, or are they going to adjust and let this mistake move behind them?
Drag, you know I like you.
But this is an awful take. I could accept MAYBE "oh wow maybe I shouldn't have taken an antag roll I wasn't supposed to get" but there is no "oh wow maybe I shouldn't have tc traded myself" (bonus points for the fact it couldn't even roll naturally) there is no "oh wow maybe I shouldn't have killed a bunch of people as a spawned in self-traded antag". That's not a mistake, and the "OH NO GUYS I MADE A MISTAKE" is called "covering your ass".
Slipping on a banana peel is a mistake. Baking a cake is not.
Lynching people over one mistake does now allow them room to grow, should there be a consequence? Absolutely. Was this a dumb thing to do and does it reflect poorly on them? Yeah. However, I don't believe there was any strong malicious intent. I believe they should receive more training and have more of an eye on them.
Drag he did something shitty and immediately started applying toilet paper to the situation before his 3 voted in parents come home to find the mess unattended to. Him going “lol i fucked up sorry help pls :((“ doesnt mean he wasnt being malicious while doing the thing he is sorry for. I would even go as far as to say the opposite, since he clearly understood that he was wrong right after doing it (and im assuming he understood it was wrong before and during too).
I think he should be canned but the fair resolution is a return to candymin since atleast he reported it to supportmins
The major worry is the sheer number of things that went down.
This is the stack of issues as I see it:
Admin self-inserts into shift (not inherently against conduct, but not an ideal way to enter as a player)
Admin spawns some items on self-inserting into the shift (not inherently against conduct, frowned upon unless running an event)
Admin gets antag after this (not against conduct to become an antag out of your own control due to code fuckery)
Admin keeps their antag after this (not within the spirit of conduct since you didn't enter the shift as an ordinary crew member, may be passable as an event, but also not within the spirit of event conduct to **use** your antag status)
Admin TC trades with themself (against conduct, may be passable as part of an event, but also not within the spirit of event conduct to **use** your antag status)
Admin stays adminned while antag (not within the spirit of conduct, may be passable as an event, but also not within the spirit of event conduct to **use** your antag status)
Admin checks antags and is actively monitoring dead chat while antag (against conduct, may be passable as an event, but also not within the spirit of event conduct to **use** your antag status)
Admin spawns items in as an antag (against conduct, may be passable as an event, but also not within the spirit of event conduct to **use** your antag status)
Admin then romps around lowpop attacking/killing and even round removing some people using their antag status (pretty much invalidates any idea this was a valid event, cascading backwards to multiple conduct breaches)
Admin comments in dsay about their difficulty ascending (pretty much unvalidates any idea this was a valid event, cascading backwards to multiple conduct breaches)
When it seems like the objectively bad decision is taken at every single point from insertion into the shift all the way through to killing players, there are problems.
I did a dive of their last 50 shifts and found another instance in https://tgstation13.download/parsed-log ... nd-200894/ of them spawning in items and then seeming to just playmin the shift as an ordinary crew member.
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:48:16.089] EMOTE: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) points at Jacob J Holden (Medbay Treatment Center (84,105,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:48:21.284] EMOTE: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) nods. (Medbay Treatment Center (87,102,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:48:51.352] EMOTE: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) points at Vex Petunia-Licht (Bar Lounge (138,127,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:49:09.850] SAY: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) "Head of Personnel. I request a promotion as we have no Research Director...I have a gift in exchange." (Bar Lounge (138,127,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:49:39.585] SAY: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) "No, just making a donation for Botany and saying there is a slot to fill." (Bar Lounge (138,127,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:49:41.286] EMOTE: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) winks. (Bar Lounge (138,127,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:50:00.173] EMOTE: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) nods (Bar Lounge (138,127,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:50:03.241] SAY: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) "Here it is, regardless" (Bar Lounge (138,127,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:50:36.564] SAY: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) "Hmm" (Starboard Primary Hallway (144,138,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:50:56.638] SAY: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) "I'm not quite sure what you are talking about, Chief Medical Officer." (Starboard Primary Hallway (144,138,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:50:58.723] EMOTE: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) winks. (Starboard Primary Hallway (144,138,2))
And playing another self-insert antagonist-adjacent type. Notably, I suspect this part was conversation using the m1911 they gave themself when they joined the shift.
Syndicate Major Victory!
Clandestine Enterprises operatives have destroyed Central Safety Relay XXV!
The syndicate operatives were:
Borisvanmemes was Hailey Clandestine Enterprises the Lone Operative and survived
Doing these kinds of dives are both tedius and exhausting.
But something strikes me as inherently off about admin buttons being used in that way. Does anyone else feel the same way or would this example be an acceptable use of admin buttons?
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