Terry, the N-word, and a fallen server.

[TheRex9001]

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N-word spam bot.............
Terry moment

[iwishforducks]

and where are you getting this 926 posts number from? actually, one explanation is that we've had boards that did not count your posts. the hut for example, doesn't increase posts because it was like player club spam but on crack

i've never posted in the hut. i have like three posts in admin subforums. i guess it just doesn't count player club posts? lots of peanuts were moved over to the player's club.

if you click on my profile and click "search user's posts" it gives you "Search found 927 matches" (now 928)

[TheRex9001]

Does the intent matter? They forced others to spam the n-word, if I punch you no matter the intent you get punched/hurt

How does a word compare to a punch?
Forcing other people to say things, especially things that make them look bad, is not a helpful action, but it could be a harmless prank... just as it could actually get them in trouble, in which case it could be griefing.

A word does not compare to a punch, its a metaphor. The point is that no matter the intent an action that could have put others in great risk of banning was taken. I’ll make sure to make any future posts clearer. It was not a ”harmless prank”, it was forcing other people to spam the n-word to such a degree it lagged the server.

[Armhulen]

and where are you getting this 926 posts number from? actually, one explanation is that we've had boards that did not count your posts. the hut for example, doesn't increase posts because it was like player club spam but on crack

i've never posted in the hut. i have like three posts in admin subforums. i guess it just doesn't count player club posts? lots of peanuts were moved over to the player's club.

if you click on my profile and click "search user's posts" it gives you "Search found 927 matches" (now 928)

The player club probably doesn't count posts made, which is both fair and also an absolutely hilarious realization

[Super Aggro Crag]

jesus fucking christ demonfiren has nearly 10,000 posts and i havent seen him in like 3 years

[Armhulen]

it's gonna take me awhile

[iwishforducks]

it's gonna take me awhile

well posting here isn't gonna help you. better start an off topic counting thread where you can double post as much as you want

[TheLoLSwat]

He was spamming the n word. I would even go as far as to say an admin wouldve been in the right to just rule 0 this guy and tell him to make an appeal when he's done being immature

Why do you say this like he's some sort of war criminal? It's a word, not a magic spell - it only hurts you if you let it. It's no worse than any other spam.

its really cool that the n word does not have any effect on you, ekaterina. You are a very tough individual and your thick skin is admirable! Just because a word doesnt impact you doesnt mean other people are not impacted. You say it yourself right here

it is a server open to the public.
I believe when you open something up to the public, you should have a fair reason to exclude one person

This guy not only decided to spam the chat, which kinda ruins the text-based part of the text based roleplaying game, he also used the n word for shock value or something similar (which you cannot even pretend was done in anything other than terrible faith since its a public server). Its immature and I dont see how it isnt a fair reason for an admin to permaban.

Permabans only stick if there is a very good reason for them to, and if you can put all this effort into disrupting the server but cant put effort into an appeal or playing on another server for a vouch you can rightfully fuck off

[Super Aggro Crag]

it's gonna take me awhile

well posting here isn't gonna help you. better start an off topic counting thread where you can double post as much as you want

arm you just got owned by iwishforducks

[ekaterina]

A word does not compare to a punch, its a metaphor. The point is that no matter the intent an action that could have put others in great risk of banning was taken. I’ll make sure to make any future posts clearer. It was not a ”harmless prank”, it was forcing other people to spam the n-word to such a degree it lagged the server.

Neither then nor now is the act of saying "nigger" by itself enough for a ban.

[Sightld2]

Just because a word doesnt impact you doesnt mean other people are not impacted...

Trouble is, caring about other people requires a degree of kindness.

[Armhulen]

Just because a word doesnt impact you doesnt mean other people are not impacted...

Trouble is, caring about other people requires a degree of kindness.

didn't realize i joined the round as a WOKE technician on SAFE SPACE 13

[kinnebian]

Just because a word doesnt impact you doesnt mean other people are not impacted...

Trouble is, caring about other people requires a degree of kindness.

didn't realize i joined the round as a WOKE technician on SAFE SPACE 13

whats next... NEW ENGINE: THE PRONOUNMATTER??? SNOWFLAKEstation 13!!!

[MrStonedOne]

Just because a word doesnt impact you doesnt mean other people are not impacted...

Trouble is, caring about other people requires a degree of kindness.

Shit take

[MrStonedOne]

its really cool that the n word does not have any effect on you, ekaterina. You are a very tough individual and your thick skin is admirable! Just because a word doesnt impact you doesnt mean other people are not impacted. You say it yourself right here

shit take

[Armhulen]

Just because a word doesnt impact you doesnt mean other people are not impacted...

Trouble is, caring about other people requires a degree of kindness.

didn't realize i joined the round as a WOKE technician on SAFE SPACE 13

whats next... NEW ENGINE: THE PRONOUNMATTER??? SNOWFLAKEstation 13!!!

just rolled progressivetraitor

[kinnebian]

and with that... sightid and lolswat both crumbled into dust...

[MMMiracles]

im glad our ruleset is vague enough that people like ekaterina can feel confident in sharing the world's worst takes so they can be ignored without first having to put any effort into indulging their points.

[Armhulen]

im glad our ruleset is vague enough that people like ekaterina can feel confident in sharing the world's worst takes so they can be ignored without first having to put any effort into indulging their points.

40 bounty added to whiterun

[conrad]

im glad our ruleset is vague enough that people like ekaterina can feel confident in sharing the world's worst takes so they can be ignored without first having to put any effort into indulging their points.

40 bounty added to whiterun

"By order of the Jarl, stop right there!"
"You have committed crimes against Skyrim and her people. What say you in your defense?"

► Show Spoiler

[Armhulen]

I'm putting that in a spoiler for the readability of this thread

[datorangebottle]

and with that... sightid and lolswat both crumbled into dust...

im glad our ruleset is vague enough that people like ekaterina can feel confident in sharing the world's worst takes so they can be ignored without first having to put any effort into indulging their points.

I too am glad that we live in this timeline, and not some alternate 1984-esque one.

[Fren256]

Not these shit pro-slur takes again jfc...

[TheLoLSwat]

and with that... sightid and lolswat both crumbled into dust...

i come into this thread, get owned by MSO, and then realize that my go to owned gif was used

when will it end :(

[Vekter]

I'm gonna ask forum mods to lock this if it turns into another B-BUT SLURS AREN'T BAD shitfest again. Stay on topic.

[datorangebottle]

i come into this thread, get owned by MSO, and then realize that my go to owned gif was used

when will it end

if you take another L, you're gonna have to add it to your name. that's just too many Ls to not be represented.

[Armhulen]

For what it's worth LoLSwat I think you're a real one

[ekaterina]

I'm gonna ask forum mods to lock this if it turns into another B-BUT SLURS AREN'T BAD shitfest again. Stay on topic.

You can ask all you want. If Armhulen wanted to lock it, he would have locked it already.

[sinfulbliss]

A word does not compare to a punch, its a metaphor. The point is that no matter the intent an action that could have put others in great risk of banning was taken. I’ll make sure to make any future posts clearer. It was not a ”harmless prank”, it was forcing other people to spam the n-word to such a degree it lagged the server.

Neither then nor now is the act of saying "nigger" by itself enough for a ban.

Mm... Here's the issue right. Let me come at it from a logical point of view instead of calling you a racist (crazy).
We can agree the N-word is a very offensive slur to an entire race of people, because the word refers to THEM (people) in a demeaning (less-than-people) manner, over something they cannot control (their race).

This is why the word was created, and what the word means. There is therefore an intentionality in the word itself, in its very essence and existence, which is separate and aside from how the word is actually used in a conversation.
This intentionality makes the word itself harmful to the same people who, you would agree, would be caused harm by having this directed at them in a pointed manner.

And so if we can agree to those premises, we can agree something like this, which spams the gamerword in such a rapid, public fashion, exposes this harmful intentionality to the wider audience of players, some of whom would be offended or put into a negative headspace due to it. Now you might here argue, "but Sinful, it's not being said with intention, so surely they could see that and become unaffected and immune to it?" and to that I would say, perhaps some have, and some have not, but no one should be forced nor expected into developing this sort of immunity especially in a spaceman videogame which is supposed to be about having fun.

[Armhulen]

in general i like the discussion and even the disagreements are from a place of sensibility and good faith. we cook in here

[conrad]

Sinful rn you just brought a tear to old conrad's eye.

[datorangebottle]

They grow up so fast...

[Armhulen]

i forgive sinful for him using chatgpt to sealion me for half a thread, he's so back right now

[iwishforducks]

and to think rave wanted sinful gone from the forums for forever

[ekaterina]

A word does not compare to a punch, its a metaphor. The point is that no matter the intent an action that could have put others in great risk of banning was taken. I’ll make sure to make any future posts clearer. It was not a ”harmless prank”, it was forcing other people to spam the n-word to such a degree it lagged the server.

Neither then nor now is the act of saying "nigger" by itself enough for a ban.

Mm... Here's the issue right. Let me come at it from a logical point of view instead of calling you a racist (crazy).
We can agree the N-word is a very offensive slur to an entire race of people, because the word refers to THEM (people) in a demeaning (less-than-people) manner, over something they cannot control (their race).

This is why the word was created, and what the word means. There is therefore an intentionality in the word itself, in its very essence and existence, which is separate and aside from how the word is actually used in a conversation.
This intentionality makes the word itself harmful to the same people who, you would agree, would be caused harm by having this directed at them in a pointed manner.

And so if we can agree to those premises, we can agree something like this, which spams the gamerword in such a rapid, public fashion, exposes this harmful intentionality to the wider audience of players, some of whom would be offended or put into a negative headspace due to it. Now you might here argue, "but Sinful, it's not being said with intention, so surely they could see that and become unaffected and immune to it?" and to that I would say, perhaps some have, and some have not, but no one should be forced nor expected into developing this sort of immunity especially in a spaceman videogame which is supposed to be about having fun.

This argument is built on false premises.

First, that the word nigger was created to demean black people. This is false. It comes from the Latin word for black, through French. It was created as a simple matter-of-fact description, much like the English "black" is still used now. The whole argument was predicated on this assertion which I've shown to be false and thus it falls apart, but nonetheless I will address the remaining points.
Second, that, if it had been created for that purpose, it would make it inherent to the word. A thing can be created for one purpose and used for another. Viagra was intended as a medication for heart conditions, yet it is used as a treatment for impotence. The meaning of words may change over time, as the point above exemplifies.
Third, that it is somehow our problem when other people are unreasonably offended. I don't see spiders being removed to accommodate arachnophobia sufferers, or clowns being removed to accommodate players with a fear of clowns. Being offended by random, floating, slurs not directed at you or even a specific person is not reasonable.

[scamoppi]

i think it's neat how much terry has changed, i haven't heard a slur there in quite a while

[MrStonedOne]

A word does not compare to a punch, its a metaphor. The point is that no matter the intent an action that could have put others in great risk of banning was taken. I’ll make sure to make any future posts clearer. It was not a ”harmless prank”, it was forcing other people to spam the n-word to such a degree it lagged the server.

Neither then nor now is the act of saying "nigger" by itself enough for a ban.

Mm... Here's the issue right. Let me come at it from a logical point of view instead of calling you a racist (crazy).
We can agree the N-word is a very offensive slur to an entire race of people, because the word refers to THEM (people) in a demeaning (less-than-people) manner, over something they cannot control (their race).

This is why the word was created, and what the word means. There is therefore an intentionality in the word itself, in its very essence and existence, which is separate and aside from how the word is actually used in a conversation.
This intentionality makes the word itself harmful to the same people who, you would agree, would be caused harm by having this directed at them in a pointed manner.

And so if we can agree to those premises, we can agree something like this, which spams the gamerword in such a rapid, public fashion, exposes this harmful intentionality to the wider audience of players, some of whom would be offended or put into a negative headspace due to it. Now you might here argue, "but Sinful, it's not being said with intention, so surely they could see that and become unaffected and immune to it?" and to that I would say, perhaps some have, and some have not, but no one should be forced nor expected into developing this sort of immunity especially in a spaceman videogame which is supposed to be about having fun.

This argument breaks down when you remember that most only take offense when its a white person who says it.

Which means it can't be an actual real emotional offended reaction. its just a means of bullying people for not following some social rules.

Also the argument sucks because holding internet and public human expression to the lowest common denominator is silly and stupid.

[MMMiracles]

are all security mains like this

[Armhulen]

I still think can be simplified to the simple expectation that when you're using slurs you have meaning behind it (so it's not just lolrandomspam) and the meaning behind it is not meant to demean others.
The classic "What are you faggots playing" test passes this check for me as it's not lolrandom and it's not intended to demean

[ekaterina]

are all security mains like this

A girl can dream. Sadly half of security mains are f*linids and a quarter are moths.

[Capsandi]

Also the argument sucks because holding internet and public human expression to the lowest common denominator is silly and stupid.

Well said. Also if you have user id 2 who has user id 1?

[Fren256]

This argument breaks down when you remember that most only take offense when its a white person who says it.

Wow, I can't believe a word that was used by white enslavers against black slaves to dehumanize them has had such an effect that people react negatively when a white person says it. What a shocker!

[ekaterina]

This argument breaks down when you remember that most only take offense when its a white person who says it.

Wow, I can't believe a word that was used by white enslavers against black slaves to dehumanize them has had such an effect that people react negatively when a white person says it. What a shocker!

So right! People that were never slaves totally have the right to be mad at people who never owned slaves because they have the same skin colour as people who did!

Who's the racist here again?

[Armhulen]

I'm gonna ask forum mods to lock this if it turns into another B-BUT SLURS AREN'T BAD shitfest again. Stay on topic.

*nervously sips water*
okay we're not there, but we've gone defcon-5 to defcon-4 quicker than i thought

[MrStonedOne]

This argument breaks down when you remember that most only take offense when its a white person who says it.

Wow, I can't believe a word that was used by white enslavers against black slaves to dehumanize them has had such an effect that people react negatively when a white person says it. What a shocker!

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

[sinfulbliss]

A word does not compare to a punch, its a metaphor. The point is that no matter the intent an action that could have put others in great risk of banning was taken. I’ll make sure to make any future posts clearer. It was not a ”harmless prank”, it was forcing other people to spam the n-word to such a degree it lagged the server.

Neither then nor now is the act of saying "nigger" by itself enough for a ban.

Mm... Here's the issue right. Let me come at it from a logical point of view instead of calling you a racist (crazy).
We can agree the N-word is a very offensive slur to an entire race of people, because the word refers to THEM (people) in a demeaning (less-than-people) manner, over something they cannot control (their race).

This is why the word was created, and what the word means. There is therefore an intentionality in the word itself, in its very essence and existence, which is separate and aside from how the word is actually used in a conversation.
This intentionality makes the word itself harmful to the same people who, you would agree, would be caused harm by having this directed at them in a pointed manner.

And so if we can agree to those premises, we can agree something like this, which spams the gamerword in such a rapid, public fashion, exposes this harmful intentionality to the wider audience of players, some of whom would be offended or put into a negative headspace due to it. Now you might here argue, "but Sinful, it's not being said with intention, so surely they could see that and become unaffected and immune to it?" and to that I would say, perhaps some have, and some have not, but no one should be forced nor expected into developing this sort of immunity especially in a spaceman videogame which is supposed to be about having fun.

This argument breaks down when you remember that most only take offense when its a white person who says it.

Which means it can't be an actual real emotional offended reaction.

I would suggest there's another reason for this. There is an aspect of self-deprecation and commiseration when you yourself also apply to the slur you're using, which makes it very difficult to argue it's being used in a demeaning manner. For instance, say I'm very overweight, and I'm hanging out with my overweight friend. Suppose I call him a fat fuck. This would be much different than if I were ripped with 6 pack abs and called him a fat fuck. The reason is because in the former case, if I did mean it in a demeaning manner, I would also be demeaning myself, which means at the very least I consider us equals in our fat-fuckedness.

For the same reason, if a white person calls a black person a "nigger," this has a very different connotation than if a black person calls a black person a "nigger," because in the latter case you simply cannot mean it in a demeaning way, since you yourself would apply to the group the slur is targeted for, and thus you are not accusing them of being "less-than-people" unless it also means you consider yourself "less-than-people," which is an unlikely scenario.

This argument is built on false premises.

First, that the word nigger was created to demean black people. This is false. It comes from the Latin word for black, through French. It was created as a simple matter-of-fact description, much like the English "black" is still used now. The whole argument was predicated on this assertion which I've shown to be false and thus it falls apart, but nonetheless I will address the remaining points.
Second, that, if it had been created for that purpose, it would make it inherent to the word. A thing can be created for one purpose and used for another. Viagra was intended as a medication for heart conditions, yet it is used as a treatment for impotence. The meaning of words may change over time, as the point above exemplifies.
Third, that it is somehow our problem when other people are unreasonably offended. I don't see spiders being removed to accommodate arachnophobia sufferers, or clowns being removed to accommodate players with a fear of clowns. Being offended by random, floating, slurs not directed at you or even a specific person is not reasonable.

We are speaking English, so the word's existence in French has no bearing on its creation or existence in English.
Perhaps I am ignorant to the rich history of the N word in English, but I think I am in good company in only knowing of it with respect to its racist intentionality.

I would ask what other purpose the word has taken on, in your view, to nullify its purposiveness as a slur. I would also oppose any appeals to "nigga," which in my view has an entirely different meaning and is not the subject of this discussion.

Finally I would ask what you consider probable cause for being "reasonably offended." You mention arachnophobia. Phobias are extremely common and shared by peoples of all countries, races, shapes, and sizes, and therefore it is difficult to use a phobia as an avenue to demean. That said, you could use anything as an avenue to demean, including arachnophobia, but it does not hold the same weight since it lacks the historical, faux-scientific, and other baggage that race holds in its use as a diminutive avenue.

[iwishforducks]

This argument breaks down when you remember that most only take offense when its a white person who says it.

citation and source needed.

Which means it can't be an actual real emotional offended reaction. its just a means of bullying people for not following some social rules.

Also the argument sucks because holding internet and public human expression to the lowest common denominator is silly and stupid.

have you conducted a test where you said the n word and then asked the people around you how they felt about it? under what circumstances was this test done? if you conduct this test with a room full of white people versus half and half white and black versus all back versus latino/hispanic versus etc then what are the different responses? what happens when the results are anonymous? would people change their answers if they were given a graph showing the % of races were offended? etc etc you kinda get my point about this being a deeper social issue than you're trying to chalk it up to be

conveniently you have turned this social issue into entirely being about the white man. with all due respect, sir, check your privilege.

[MrStonedOne]

For the same reason, if a white person calls a black person a "nigger," this has a very different connotation than if a black person calls a black person a "nigger,"

but this isn't about calling somebody the nword

This is about saying, at all.

[BONERMASTER]

Listen, you guys can go completely nuts in just a minute, but there is something I wanted to have clarified before you bash eachother's heads in:

Anything else we should know: For a rather long period of time I have contributed to, played on and adminned for a server explicitly built to rival tg. At this moment, the server (Merchant) is largely dead.

lol gaddeem!
>burn down bridge to make server with blackjack and slurs

What is wrong with blackjack??


WIth puzzled regards
-BONERMASTER

[MrStonedOne]

check your privilege.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

[Boot]

I'm gonna ask forum mods to lock this if it turns into another B-BUT SLURS AREN'T BAD shitfest again. Stay on topic.

Understandable since the paperskinned lot that lied their way into getting a word filter put in are unable to even have that conversation without melting.

[Armhulen]

Listen, you guys can go completely nuts in just a minute, but there is something I wanted to have clarified before you bash eachother's heads in:

Anything else we should know: For a rather long period of time I have contributed to, played on and adminned for a server explicitly built to rival tg. At this moment, the server (Merchant) is largely dead.

lol gaddeem!
>burn down bridge to make server with blackjack and slurs

What is wrong with blackjack??


WIth puzzled regards
-BONERMASTER

You probably don't know, but it's a futurama meme that became helpful terminology for people creating their own versions of things they're kicked out from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-94qrgxH35M