Terry, the N-word, and a fallen server.

Post by **TheRex9001** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:22 pm #678316

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N-word spam bot.............
Terry moment

Turbonerd · Post by **Turbonerd** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:26 pm #678318

I was in that round. The spam was absolutely insane. It was around 9 pages of N-words spammed on comms every second. It's probably the reason why Terry won the N-word contest that term.

kinnebian · Post by **kinnebian** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:42 pm #678340

what a peaceful method of protesting this noble terryite has chosen

The Wrench · Post by **The Wrench** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:10 pm #678342

Terry is healing

ekaterina · Post by **ekaterina** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:18 pm #678345

A permanent ban for doing a little bit of nanite-style trolling... I don't even know what to say anymore.
Yet another example of why permanent bans should be replaced in 99% of cases with 1 year bans.

iwishforducks · Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:24 pm

im going to take a rolling pin and flatten you out to cartoonish proportions, ekat

dirk_mcblade · Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:27 pm

He should be denied for writing that long of an appeal

Turbonerd · Post by **Turbonerd** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:27 pm #678351

ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:18 pm A permanent ban for doing a little bit of nanite-style trolling... I don't even know what to say anymore.
Yet another example of why permanent bans should be replaced in 99% of cases with 1 year bans.

It absolutely flooded the chat instantly and lasted for a long time. It was very obvious griefing. Permanent bans are better than one year bans because the player has to show good faith and understanding of what they did wrong.

Yet another example of a terrible ekaterina take.

Post by **TheRex9001** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:34 pm #678355

ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:18 pm A permanent ban for doing a little bit of nanite-style trolling... I don't even know what to say anymore.
Yet another example of why permanent bans should be replaced in 99% of cases with 1 year bans.

He spammed the nword to a degree it lagged the server

Post by **Armhulen** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:40 pm #678358

Bucovineanu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:01 pm Anything else we should know: For a rather long period of time I have contributed to, played on and adminned for a server explicitly built to rival tg. At this moment, the server (Merchant) is largely dead.

lol gaddeem!
>burn down bridge to make server with blackjack and slurs
>server only pulls people who have been removed from tg
>it's unplayable and gets griefed constantly
>can i come back to tgstation?

ekaterina · Post by **ekaterina** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:54 pm #678361

Turbonerd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:27 pm It was very obvious griefing.

How does a word, not directed at anyone in particular, cause you grief?
If it's true that it caused lag, and you can prove he did it knowing it would cause lag, then I'd understand a permanent ban, but, without that element, this is excessive.

TheLoLSwat · Post by **TheLoLSwat** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:57 pm #678364

ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:18 pm A permanent ban for doing a little bit of nanite-style trolling... I don't even know what to say anymore.
Yet another example of why permanent bans should be replaced in 99% of cases with 1 year bans.

he was spamming the n word. I would even go as far as to say an admin wouldve been in the right to just rule 0 this guy and tell him to make an appeal when he's done being immature

Turbonerd · Post by **Turbonerd** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:04 pm #678366

ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:54 pm
Turbonerd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:27 pm It was very obvious griefing.
How does a word, not directed at anyone in particular, cause you grief?
If it's true that it caused lag, and you can prove he did it knowing it would cause lag, then I'd understand a permanent ban, but, without that element, this is excessive.

Just look at the say logs for that round before blindly criticising the administration about something you clearly don't understand.

ekaterina · Post by **ekaterina** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:04 pm #678367

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:57 pm He was spamming the n word. I would even go as far as to say an admin wouldve been in the right to just rule 0 this guy and tell him to make an appeal when he's done being immature

Why do you say this like he's some sort of war criminal? It's a word, not a magic spell - it only hurts you if you let it. It's no worse than any other spam.

Domitius · Post by **Domitius** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:05 pm #678368

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 2:09 pm
Fren256 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 1:09 pm Are we just going to ignore how the N word is an actual harmful word with an awful history behind it
The whole point of the clarification included in the rule, which seemingly flew over your head at supersonic speeds, is that no word is inherently harmful - its use is what determines whether it's harmful or not.

Fren256 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 1:09 pm and how swapping the N for an L doesn't remove the fact that it's still a slur for black people
And yet it literally does exactly that. Ligger is a slur for lizards, not for black people. Nobody uses it for black people, nor was it ever intended to be used for black people, nor would it make sense to use it in that context.

I can't tell whether you actually believe this insanity, like the Twitter people who take offence on others' behalf, or are just trying to start drama.

ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:54 pm
Turbonerd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:27 pm It was very obvious griefing.
How does a word, not directed at anyone in particular, cause you grief?
If it's true that it caused lag, and you can prove he did it knowing it would cause lag, then I'd understand a permanent ban, but, without that element, this is excessive.

At least a broken racist clock is consistently wrong and racist. Some things never change.

ekaterina · Post by **ekaterina** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:06 pm #678369

Domitius wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:05 pm At least a broken racist clock is consistently wrong and racist. Some things never change.

Jumping to insults, like you did just now calling me racist, is a telltale sign that you have no arguments to refute what I said. That's because I'm right and you know it.

"Nooooo how dare you not have a visceral irrational emotional reaction to a WORD like us?1!?!1?!"

Post by **TheRex9001** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:07 pm #678371

ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:54 pm
Turbonerd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:27 pm It was very obvious griefing.
How does a word, not directed at anyone in particular, cause you grief?
If it's true that it caused lag, and you can prove he did it knowing it would cause lag, then I'd understand a permanent ban, but, without that element, this is excessive.

Its not directed to anyone in particular but its like putting on a blindfold, walking into a city and then screaming the N-word at the top of your lungs. Yeah you could argue its not targeted but come on. It was also a BCI so he could have gotten other people in trouble since it pops up as the implanted person saying the N-word. This could be argued as a case of banbaiting aswell

ekaterina · Post by **ekaterina** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:09 pm #678373

TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:07 pm It was also a BCI so he could have gotten other people in trouble since it pops up as the implanted person saying the N-word. This could be argued as a case of banbaiting aswell

That would make it more serious if it were the case, no doubt, but do we have any indications this was his intention? This seems like pure speculation at this point.

conrad · Post by **conrad** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:10 pm #678374

Who woulda thunk a server made to accept tg orphans would crash and burn under the weight of its own griefing lmao

Domitius · Post by **Domitius** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:10 pm #678375

ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:06 pm
Domitius wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:05 pm At least a broken racist clock is consistently wrong and racist. Some things never change.
Jumping to insults, like you did just now calling me racist, is a telltale sign that you have no arguments to refute what I said. That's because I'm right and you know it.

"Nooooo how dare you not have a visceral irrational emotional reaction to a WORD like us?1!?!1?!"

I wonder how long you hesitated to complete the onboarding test to get into merchant station.

ekaterina · Post by **ekaterina** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:12 pm #678377

Domitius wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:10 pm I wonder how long you hesitated to complete the onboarding test to get into merchant station.

Is this word soup supposed to have meaning?
I never played on his server, which is the only clear part of what you said.

Super Aggro Crag · Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:13 pm

ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:06 pm
Domitius wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:05 pm At least a broken racist clock is consistently wrong and racist. Some things never change.
Jumping to insults, like you did just now calling me racist, is a telltale sign that you have no arguments to refute what I said. That's because I'm right and you know it.

"Nooooo how dare you not have a visceral irrational emotional reaction to a WORD like us?1!?!1?!"

can someone ban this retard i'm sick of him making every thread downs syndrome

Post by **TheRex9001** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:13 pm #678380

ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:09 pm
TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:07 pm It was also a BCI so he could have gotten other people in trouble since it pops up as the implanted person saying the N-word. This could be argued as a case of banbaiting aswell
That would make it more serious if it were the case, no doubt, but do we have any indications this was his intention? This seems like pure speculation at this point.

Does the intent matter? They forced others to spam the n-word, if I punch you no matter the intent you get punched/hurt

Domitius · Post by **Domitius** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:13 pm #678381

ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:12 pm
Domitius wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:10 pm I wonder how long you hesitated to complete the onboarding test to get into merchant station.
Is this word soup supposed to have meaning? I never played on his server.

You're right, I don't really need to wonder. I know you probably didn't hesitate.

Domitius · Post by **Domitius** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:16 pm #678382

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:13 pm
ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:06 pm
Domitius wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:05 pm At least a broken racist clock is consistently wrong and racist. Some things never change.
Jumping to insults, like you did just now calling me racist, is a telltale sign that you have no arguments to refute what I said. That's because I'm right and you know it.

"Nooooo how dare you not have a visceral irrational emotional reaction to a WORD like us?1!?!1?!"
can someone ban this retard i'm sick of him making every thread downs syndrome

To be fair I'm lobbing some pretty cold takes in their direction so the defensiveness shouldn't be held against them.

Post by **Armhulen** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:16 pm #678383

ekat be honest when you post in these rule 11 threads do you get a notification like this in the top left of your screen

ekaterina · Post by **ekaterina** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:17 pm #678384

TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:13 pm Does the intent matter? They forced others to spam the n-word, if I punch you no matter the intent you get punched/hurt

How does a word compare to a punch?
Forcing other people to say things, especially things that make them look bad, is not a helpful action, but it could be a harmless prank... just as it could actually get them in trouble, in which case it could be griefing.

Domitius wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:13 pm You're right, I don't really need to wonder. I know you probably didn't hesitate.

Didn't hesitate TO WHAT?

Armhulen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:16 pm ekat be honest when you post in these rule 11 threads do you get a notification like this in the top left of your screen

No, but I get a little red W.

iwishforducks · Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:18 pm

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:13 pm can someone ban this retard i'm sick of him making every thread downs syndrome

edit: something something i dont condone these words blah blah you get it

Turbonerd · Post by **Turbonerd** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:19 pm #678387

ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:17 pm
TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:13 pm Does the intent matter? They forced others to spam the n-word, if I punch you no matter the intent you get punched/hurt
How does a word compare to a punch?
Forcing other people to say things, especially things that make them look bad, is not a helpful action, but it could be a harmless prank... just as it could actually get them in trouble, in which case it could be griefing.

Domitius wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:13 pm You're right, I don't really need to wonder. I know you probably didn't hesitate.
Didn't hesitate TO WHAT?

Just go to Merchant already. It seems like your ideal server.

ekaterina · Post by **ekaterina** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:20 pm #678388

Turbonerd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:19 pm Just go to Merchant already. It seems like your ideal server.

You do not know me. A server that's even more NRP than Terry (according to the accounts here) is in no way ideal.

Turbonerd · Post by **Turbonerd** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:21 pm #678391

ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:20 pm
Turbonerd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:19 pm Just go to Merchant already. It seems like your ideal server.
You do not know me. A server that's even more NRP than Terry (according to the accounts here) is in no way ideal.

Then why are you complaining that someone causing massive spam (just like all of your takes) got banned?

Post by **Armhulen** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:23 pm #678392

i guess i should do my civic duty and gently remind people to keep it civil! just because i see where this is slowly going

Super Aggro Crag · Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:24 pm

ok armhulen let's keep it civil

im gonna jam a bayonet in this guys guts

ekaterina · Post by **ekaterina** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:25 pm #678394

Turbonerd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:21 pm
ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:20 pm
Turbonerd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:19 pm Just go to Merchant already. It seems like your ideal server.
You do not know me. A server that's even more NRP than Terry (according to the accounts here) is in no way ideal.
Then why are you complaining that someone causing massive spam (just like all of your takes) got banned?

I'm not. I'm complaining he got permanently banned.

Super Aggro Crag · Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:27 pm

ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:25 pm
Turbonerd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:21 pm
ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:20 pm
Turbonerd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:19 pm Just go to Merchant already. It seems like your ideal server.
You do not know me. A server that's even more NRP than Terry (according to the accounts here) is in no way ideal.
Then why are you complaining that someone causing massive spam (just like all of your takes) got banned?
I'm not. I'm complaining he got permanently banned.

a perma ban takes like 15 minutes of work to get overturned calm down you dung beetle

Post by **Armhulen** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:28 pm #678397

considering he went on to merchant station something tells me we missed very little in the time he was permanently banned. like you know what that server was like, right?

ekaterina · Post by **ekaterina** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:29 pm #678398

Super Aggro Crag wrote: a perma ban takes like 15 minutes of work to get overturned calm down you dung beetle

-Super Aggro Crag, In Game PermaBanned

Turbonerd · Post by **Turbonerd** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:29 pm #678399

ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:25 pm
Turbonerd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:21 pm
ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:20 pm
Turbonerd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:19 pm Just go to Merchant already. It seems like your ideal server.
You do not know me. A server that's even more NRP than Terry (according to the accounts here) is in no way ideal.
Then why are you complaining that someone causing massive spam (just like all of your takes) got banned?
I'm not. I'm complaining he got permanently banned.

What's wrong with getting a permanent ban instead of a one year ban? A permanent ban means he can't come back without showing good faith. It really doesn't take a lot of effort to make an appeal.

It's a free game, and access to the servers is a privilege, not a right. If he wants to come back after being so disruptive, he'll have to prove he can play in good faith. It's not like he gave anything to the community.

Super Aggro Crag · Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:32 pm

ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:29 pm
Super Aggro Crag wrote: a perma ban takes like 15 minutes of work to get overturned calm down you dung beetle
-Super Aggro Crag, In Game PermaBanned

exactly you dunwich horror how do you think i know?

Ryusenshu · Post by **Ryusenshu** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:33 pm #678402

damn that round is an old one
the spam that got out of that was horrible, the entire comms was full of it
if i remember correctly people even took to discord and complained there later

ekaterina · Post by **ekaterina** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:36 pm #678404

Turbonerd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:29 pm What's wrong with getting a permanent ban instead of a one year ban? A permanent ban means he can't come back without showing good faith. It really doesn't take a lot of effort to make an appeal.

Forcing someone to humiliate himself on a public forum to be let back in rubs me the wrong way.

Turbonerd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:29 pm It's a free game, and access to the servers is a privilege, not a right.

I disagree with this logic and attitude. If it were a whitelist server (i.e. private), this would make total sense - but it is a server open to the public.
I believe when you open something up to the public, you should have a fair reason to exclude one person (or several) in particular (which is what happens right now), not do it willy-nilly (which is what what you wrote seems to imply).

Turbonerd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:29 pm If he wants to come back after being so disruptive, he'll have to prove he can play in good faith. It's not like he gave anything to the community.

Considering he (allegedly) caused actual lag, you raise a reasonable point.

Armhulen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:28 pm considering he went on to merchant station something tells me we missed very little in the time he was permanently banned. like you know what that server was like, right?

Not beyond what I read. Feel free to enlighten me.

Post by **Armhulen** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:43 pm #678405

ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:36 pm Forcing someone to humiliate himself on a public forum to be let back in rubs me the wrong way.

It was his choice to burn bridges with /tg/ to server hop to a server that openly welcomed racists, he humiliated himself. Frankly the move to merchantstation and becoming an admin just tells me that the common sense sniff test about his behaviors was 100% correct. Allowing people to slur without any intent behind them ("i'm just going to make people spam it lol") is not removing bigotry from the community even if the words aren't targeted at anyone in particular. if you are someone who spews slurs "randomly" and "without any intention behind them" you're just contributing to a community atmosphere where certain people feel very unwelcome.

Post by **Armhulen** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:55 pm #678409

There really is no great way to explain that normalizing the meaningless use of slurs also normalizes an atmosphere of keeping the people those slurs are intended to demean out and if we did a lot of great players in our community would not want to play here. We should lose good community members over what?

Super Aggro Crag · Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:02 pm

armhulen you doubleposted ...

Post by **Armhulen** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:04 pm #678418

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:02 pm armhulen you doubleposted ...

top 5 post count on the forum grindset, and i want to reach top 1

iwishforducks · Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:06 pm

Armhulen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:04 pm
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:02 pm armhulen you doubleposted ...
top 5 post count on the forum grindset, and i want to reach top 1

where can we even see top post counts

Post by **Armhulen** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:11 pm #678425

quick links -> members -> click posts to sort by posts descending

iwishforducks · Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:20 pm

Armhulen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:11 pm quick links -> members -> click posts to sort by posts descending

shit's broken i have 926 posts when i search up my posts but it says i only have 139 on my profile and on the member list

Post by **Armhulen** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:21 pm #678430

and where are you getting this 926 posts number from? actually, one explanation is that we've had boards that did not count your posts. the hut for example, doesn't increase posts because it was like player club spam but on crack

iwishforducks · Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:24 pm

Armhulen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:21 pm and where are you getting this 926 posts number from? actually, one explanation is that we've had boards that did not count your posts. the hut for example, doesn't increase posts because it was like player club spam but on crack

i've never posted in the hut. i have like three posts in admin subforums. i guess it just doesn't count player club posts? lots of peanuts were moved over to the player's club.

if you click on my profile and click "search user's posts" it gives you "Search found 927 matches" (now 928)