I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
these are the thread titles i like to see
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
if you torture someone they should be able to round remove you after IMO
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
im a little conflicted on how i feel about this but i wont elaborate - i instead implore you to make wild accusations and assumptions on my thoughts
respect (let him do his thing)
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
You think the admin should have instead banned the captain trying to de escalate the situation. We dont need that kind of saneness around here. Its valid or nothin
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
Every player except the captain is unfathomably based here.
The HOP who employs creative punishment and ignores a dumbass captain's order, the player who enacts revenge on his captor, and the warden who supports a little... uh... extralegal justice.
Captains who order people to release criminals already receiving mild punishments and let them go unpunished instead deserve to be lynched.
On another note, this note is factually wrong, as he did not break out of the gulag, but rather completed his sentence.
I'd like to see clarification on whether "kill" in the ruling means "kill and revive" or "kill and round remove".
The HOP who employs creative punishment and ignores a dumbass captain's order, the player who enacts revenge on his captor, and the warden who supports a little... uh... extralegal justice.
Captains who order people to release criminals already receiving mild punishments and let them go unpunished instead deserve to be lynched.
On another note, this note is factually wrong, as he did not break out of the gulag, but rather completed his sentence.
I'd like to see clarification on whether "kill" in the ruling means "kill and revive" or "kill and round remove".
This but unironically. He didn't try to "de-escalate", he took the greytider's side and ordered the HoP to release someone who had committed crimes with no punishment. Absolute condom behaviour, blatant abuse of his authority.SkeletalElite wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 8:02 am You think the admin should have instead banned the captain trying to de escalate the situation.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
Is it torture or is it mild punishment?
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
It's both. This man engaged in several major (red) crimes such as trespassing into a restricted area and several counts of theft.
Depending on the length of time for which he was paraded around, it could have been 100% appropriate or it could've been overkill.
Throwing him into the gulag afterwards, however, was undeniably overkill.
At the point the bozo captain came in, though, all he'd done is deal a little damage. That's mild.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
Local hop refuses to listen to captain, confused why it might hurt them in the future. Common hop L, note should be removed
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
i would remove the note but mostly because it's very logical that cruel and unusual punishment -> the person you did it on tries to kill you. i dunno, the logs could definitely change my mind
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
THE HOP IS ZYBWIVCZ
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
I stand with Sapra.
You're the one that taught me about kneecapping in lieu of prison sentences. I found them to be a nice deterrent.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 7:36 am if you torture someone they should be able to round remove you after IMO
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
It's just a note. Saprasm's brilliant ahelp replies are good enough that I'd remove the note though.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
How do you kneecap people?
" for the next 7-12? minutes, i am wrought around on this man's back, with a pig mask laid on my face to prevent proper speech"
Absolutely based. Based warden. Based gulaggee. Can't believe this guy was given a note. Free my man.
" for the next 7-12? minutes, i am wrought around on this man's back, with a pig mask laid on my face to prevent proper speech"
Absolutely based. Based warden. Based gulaggee. Can't believe this guy was given a note. Free my man.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
Secbanned Zyb playing HoPcurity and gulagging someone.
Love to see it.
Love to see it.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY YOU BASTARD.
Your log guide really helped me on this, this was way more than I was expecting and I still think I didn't get all of it.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:00 am Secbanned Zyb playing HoPcurity and gulagging someone.
Love to see it.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
He also hunts traitors as AI while linetoeing Asimov :^)Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:00 am Secbanned Zyb playing HoPcurity and gulagging someone.
Love to see it.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
Time to silicon ban zybsinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:11 amHe also hunts traitors as AI while linetoeing Asimov :^)Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:00 am Secbanned Zyb playing HoPcurity and gulagging someone.
Love to see it.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
This is one of those cases where it's just safe to ban everyone involved.
The hop, the captain, the appealant, everyone who posted on the ban thread, everyone who posted here too. This includes me. Go ahead, wear the polish on that hammer.
The hop, the captain, the appealant, everyone who posted on the ban thread, everyone who posted here too. This includes me. Go ahead, wear the polish on that hammer.
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
Free this gamer immediately
(2:53:35 AM) scaredofshadows: how about head of robutts
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
You need to follow the blue clues to solve the riddle.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
Mr bones, I dont feel like solving the riddleiwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:19 pm You need to follow the blue clues to solve the riddle.
respect (let him do his thing)
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
MIS TUR BOOOOOOOOOOOONESiwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:19 pm You need to follow the blue clues to solve the riddle.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
this is the advantage passing charisma checks in ss13 can grant you btw
[2023-04-21 05:33:59.828] EMOTE: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) points at Is-The-Law (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:00.640] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "you" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:01.254] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "warden" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:08.143] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "the knuckledragger of a hop has taken all my shit" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:11.050] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "left me naked" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:14.408] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "drainedme of my shit" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:18.361] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "and now i am going to kill him" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:23.056] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "because he is being a monumental tub of lard" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:26.302] SAY: Dethel/(Is-The-Law) "Ok" (Brig Control (107,162,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:27.739] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "will you stop me on my righteous quest" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:31.387] SAY: Dethel/(Is-The-Law) "do you want a gun for that?" (Brig Control (107,162,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:34.002] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "absolutely" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:35.841] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "shotgun" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:33:59.828] EMOTE: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) points at Is-The-Law (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:00.640] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "you" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:01.254] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "warden" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:08.143] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "the knuckledragger of a hop has taken all my shit" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:11.050] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "left me naked" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:14.408] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "drainedme of my shit" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:18.361] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "and now i am going to kill him" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:23.056] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "because he is being a monumental tub of lard" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:26.302] SAY: Dethel/(Is-The-Law) "Ok" (Brig Control (107,162,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:27.739] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "will you stop me on my righteous quest" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:31.387] SAY: Dethel/(Is-The-Law) "do you want a gun for that?" (Brig Control (107,162,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:34.002] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "absolutely" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:35.841] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "shotgun" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
hopcurity is cringe, HOP is the head of service and ignoring your alvin assistants and barry bartenders to groom the asshairs of security should be considered dereliction of duty.
seems like an IC issue though
seems like an IC issue though
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
Let's just say the person who got fucked had a good case they could have brought to admins but instead handled it ICly and indeed successfully handled it
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
THIS IS SO GODDAMN BASED OMGArmhulen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:02 pm this is the advantage passing charisma checks in ss13 can grant you btw
[2023-04-21 05:33:59.828] EMOTE: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) points at Is-The-Law (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:00.640] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "you" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:01.254] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "warden" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:08.143] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "the knuckledragger of a hop has taken all my shit" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:11.050] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "left me naked" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:14.408] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "drainedme of my shit" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:18.361] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "and now i am going to kill him" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:23.056] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "because he is being a monumental tub of lard" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:26.302] SAY: Dethel/(Is-The-Law) "Ok" (Brig Control (107,162,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:27.739] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "will you stop me on my righteous quest" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:31.387] SAY: Dethel/(Is-The-Law) "do you want a gun for that?" (Brig Control (107,162,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:34.002] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "absolutely" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
[2023-04-21 05:34:35.841] SAY: Saprasam/(Manley Jyllian) "shotgun" (Fore Primary Hallway (108,159,2))
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
Should have adminhelped this and I'm sure an admin would have yeeted the HoP off command for a while instead
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
Is it a valid ahelp? yes
but was it valid to solve ic instead of ooc? also yes
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
Yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep.
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
So true, bestie!!
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
ahelping every shitter for things you are confident you can solve ICly is not fun, and admins should be able to tell when an issue is just IC escalation done right
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
Except for the parts where:ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 8:16 am Every player except the captain is unfathomably based here.
Captains who order people to release criminals already receiving mild punishments and let them go unpunished instead deserve to be lynched.
This but unironically. He didn't try to "de-escalate", he took the greytider's side and ordered the HoP to release someone who had committed crimes with no punishment. Absolute condom behaviour, blatant abuse of his authority.
A) The HoP is not security, it isn't their job to decide peoples' punishment(or arrest them in the first place- the telebaton is there for self-defense!).
B) Saprasam had already served somewhere around the maximum possible brig timer sentence while being paraded around on the HoP's back
C) The captain is absolutely within his right to overrule security in regards to them overpunishing people; in fact, security oversight is part of his job as "the guy who makes sure everything is running smoothly and people aren't doing things NT would write in red ink on an inspection paper". Doubly so for HoPs pretending to be security and making it their job to torture someone for hopping a desk that he left open.
D) The HoP is Zybwivcz. Some history on this guy: he's the closest I've ever seen to a rule 12 server ban because he would run around wordlessly validhunting as security. He typically had more words in his first appeal/admin complaint post than he said in the round itself. He called admins on a cyborg who dunked him after he changed their laws to a set that didn't protect him, then tried to get policy changed to protect him in the future. He called admins on a guy who turned his arrest on him instead of interacting with them in-character, then took it to the admin complaints forum when they didn't go his way. In fact, he has a habit of taking things to the forums when he loses. Also, he exclusively randomnames to avoid having his nasty reputation affect him mid-round.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
Humoring ekat's armchair police larping isn't a good way to spend your time.datorangebottle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:39 pmSnipekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 8:16 am Every player except the captain is unfathomably based here.
Captains who order people to release criminals already receiving mild punishments and let them go unpunished instead deserve to be lynched.
This but unironically. He didn't try to "de-escalate", he took the greytider's side and ordered the HoP to release someone who had committed crimes with no punishment. Absolute condom behaviour, blatant abuse of his authority.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
And why do you think this would have been preferable? It's much more satisfying to dish out justice with your own hands. This solution was better for both players. One got his revenge, and the other didn't get banned.+
Correct but irrelevant, as rule 4 is king. Policing crimes against other people is security's job. However, taking action against people who transgress against you is allowed.datorangebottle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:39 pm The HoP is not security, it isn't their job to decide peoples' punishment(or arrest them in the first place- the telebaton is there for self-defense!).
Correct, and I agree. This is why I said giving him a gulag sentence was overkill. The captain's intervention was before even the parade, though, at which point the sentence being given was well deserved.datorangebottle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:39 pm Saprasam had already served somewhere around the maximum possible brig timer sentence while being paraded around on the HoP's back
This was not a case of "overpunishing" when the captain came in. Quite the contrary. It only became that later.datorangebottle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:39 pm The captain is absolutely within his right to overrule security in regards to them overpunishing people; in fact, security oversight is part of his job as "the guy who makes sure everything is running smoothly and people aren't doing things NT would write in red ink on an inspection paper". Doubly so for HoPs pretending to be security and making it their job to torture someone for hopping a desk that he left open.
It is different to overrule a blatantly excessive sentence as the HoS, the warden or even the captain, and to take someone who committed two or three major crimes and order him released with no brig time with no good reason.
Sounds like a sore loser.datorangebottle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:39 pm The HoP is Zybwivcz. Some history on this guy: he's the closest I've ever seen to a rule 12 server ban because he would run around wordlessly validhunting as security. He typically had more words in his first appeal/admin complaint post than he said in the round itself. He called admins on a cyborg who dunked him after he changed their laws to a set that didn't protect him, then tried to get policy changed to protect him in the future. He called admins on a guy who turned his arrest on him instead of interacting with them in-character, then took it to the admin complaints forum when they didn't go his way. In fact, he has a habit of taking things to the forums when he loses. Also, he exclusively randomnames to avoid having his nasty reputation affect him mid-round.
You're just jealous of my red jumpsuit.
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
cap's orders are final if he doesn't want the hop playing stanford assistant experiment thats kinda just how it goes
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
Disobeying orders is an IC issue. Head of staff authority, as of current policy, is not enforced by admins. Captain's orders are only as final as his combat and persuasion skills can make them.
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
On the other hand, fighting over each and every last order is both annoying and destroys the intended collective cooperation. If you crit someone over a captain order they didn't follow, then heal them up, they might as well just go back to disobeying you but harder now that you crit them, or worse, now try to de-captain you
>just don't make a demand i don't agree with
then there's no authority
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
Disobeying retarded captains is our moral duty. The only head with real authority is the Head of Security - and even then, only sometimes.Armhulen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:29 pmOn the other hand, fighting over each and every last order is both annoying and destroys the intended collective cooperation. If you crit someone over a captain order they didn't follow, then heal them up, they might as well just go back to disobeying you but harder now that you crit them, or worse, now try to de-captain you
>just don't make a demand i don't agree with
then there's no authority
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
Players should feel empowered to deal with stuff ic if they want, sometimes it makes the whole story of everything flow so fucking smoothly.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
thats easy to say when youre a tiger wearing a cap..
respect (let him do his thing)
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
How do we increase head of staff authority?
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
We don't. Didn't we have a vote over this? Which side won?
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
We did have a poll but I can't find the results anywhere, not even on the bus.
I did find this headmin decision, though: viewtopic.php?p=681655#p681655
I did find this headmin decision, though: viewtopic.php?p=681655#p681655
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
I'm not sure what it is, but the second I see 'zybwivcz' in any sort of administrative-adjacent thing, my vision turns red and-
Rule 4 IS king, but the actions the HoP took toe the line of rule 1, even against an antagonist. Forcing a player to not play the game, but giving them a hope to, for upwards of 15-20 minutes(IIRC, 100 points = 1 minute in the gulag) is sadism. People arguably play SS13 to have fun, not to be somebody else's torture puppet.ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:14 pmCorrect but irrelevant, as rule 4 is king. Policing crimes against other people is security's job. However, taking action against people who transgress against you is allowed.datorangebottle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:39 pm The HoP is not security, it isn't their job to decide peoples' punishment(or arrest them in the first place- the telebaton is there for self-defense!).
Also, stealing access from the HoP's office isn't an inherently antagonistic act, as everyone who isn't the captain wants more access to the station and it doesn't reveal anything other than personal greed. It does, however, warrant a search at minimum.
This is a fair point to make. I wasn't aware the captain intervened that early.This was not a case of "overpunishing" when the captain came in. Quite the contrary. It only became that later.datorangebottle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:39 pm The captain is absolutely within his right to overrule security in regards to them overpunishing people; in fact, security oversight is part of his job as "the guy who makes sure everything is running smoothly and people aren't doing things NT would write in red ink on an inspection paper". Doubly so for HoPs pretending to be security and making it their job to torture someone for hopping a desk that he left open.
It is different to overrule a blatantly excessive sentence as the HoS, the warden or even the captain, and to take someone who committed two or three major crimes and order him released with no brig time with no good reason.
Not just a sore loser, a complete no-fun ass who physically embodies everything people call 'shitsec'. I'm a sore loser; I'll bitch to no end in deadchat when I die and ahelp if it was random and they didn't kill me with antagonist gear(then the admins don't have to delay round-end if I see they weren't on the report). If you are having fun that in any way breaches space law, he WILL get in your way.Sounds like a sore loser.
Let me put it this way: the person he failed to arrest was breaking into this empty sci room behind science on Meta. Because "they could be a cultist or heretic or something". This room:
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The way it works is that every head only has as much authority as the person below them allows them to have, which is enforced by their telebaton and other gear. In some departments, this has a huge impact; the QM is the undisputed ruler of cargo, for what it is. The RD... not so much, the roboticists start with flashes, and any scientist easily accesses the supplies for stunprods. You get the idea.
The HoS has less actual authority than the captain; ALL of his direct subordinates can take him down with two clicks roundstart, and the warden even has an advantage over him in close combat. The captain beats all other heads with a massive gear advantage, and ties with the HoS at worst.
The other side of this is that, hilariously, disobeying a direct order from the captain could be labeled as 'Insubordination', 'Dereliction of Duty', or 'Mutiny' under space law depending on the importance of the order and how petty the captain wants to be. A head of security who ignores his own rules when it's convenient isn't worthy of the position.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
yes yes, our heads of staff are a big fuckin joke because they hold absolutely no power, but look at that wonderful appeal resolution
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
I would give a argument and get into a posting contest with ekat, but I’m a Manuel admin so my opinion is officially invalidated.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
This ends up not being true in part because of what you say at the start, and in part because of security metaprotections. There's a higher level of expectation for security not abusing its superior gear to blatantly self-antag, and this includes attacking your own head randomly. In addition, security players generally understand that security forms a team and that we should be looking out for each other. This is compounded by the fact that security officers cannot be antagonists at round start, adding to that trust and sense of being on the same team. There are exceptions and problematic players, but this is the general rule in my experience. It might also have to do with the (correct) understanding that security is a paramilitary force, which makes its hierarchy more relevant for RP than in other departments.datorangebottle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:03 pm The way it works is that every head only has as much authority as the person below them allows them to have (...) The HoS has less actual authority than the captain; ALL of his direct subordinates can take him down with two clicks roundstart, and the warden even has an advantage over him in close combat. The captain beats all other heads with a massive gear advantage, and ties with the HoS at worst.
Haha he said a funny.Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 7:02 pm I would give a argument and get into a posting contest with ekat, but I’m a Manuel admin so my opinion is officially invalidated.
It might actually be interesting to see how opinions differ between LRP and MRP players, and what these players want on their respective servers.
What wouldn't be fun is trying to force MRP ideas on LRP, and probably vice-versa for Manuel players, but we can have a discussion with the understanding that there are different cultures in these servers.
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: I Want Off HoP's Wild Peanut Parade
The point was that the HoS, in reality, has less authority than the captain does because at any point one of the people he has that authority over can click him twice with the stun baton that they start the round with and he loses all of it. No amount of departmental unity, actual or imagined, will change that. It takes vastly more effort for any non-security role to overthrow the captain than it takes for any security officer to overthrow the head of security. The officers are not obligated to respect the HoS out of gear, and are fully capable of overriding his decisions if they want to.ekaterina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 8:02 pmThis ends up not being true in part because of what you say at the start, and in part because of security metaprotections. There's a higher level of expectation for security not abusing its superior gear to blatantly self-antag, and this includes attacking your own head randomly. In addition, security players generally understand that security forms a team and that we should be looking out for each other. This is compounded by the fact that security officers cannot be antagonists at round start, adding to that trust and sense of being on the same team. There are exceptions and problematic players, but this is the general rule in my experience. It might also have to do with the (correct) understanding that security is a paramilitary force, which makes its hierarchy more relevant for RP than in other departments.datorangebottle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:03 pm The way it works is that every head only has as much authority as the person below them allows them to have (...) The HoS has less actual authority than the captain; ALL of his direct subordinates can take him down with two clicks roundstart, and the warden even has an advantage over him in close combat. The captain beats all other heads with a massive gear advantage, and ties with the HoS at worst.
The Captain also gets the same metaprotections, inability to be antagonists, and higher expectations. The only difference is that you seem to arbitrarily justify disobeying the captain. They should, in theory, be working with and be almost as reliant on the security team as the HoS is.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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