Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink

[saprasam]

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[kinnebian]

mean little thing aren’t you!

why is sinful acting like a disney villain

[Vekter]

No one wants to be the guy who ahelps minor IC OOC, in part because it just annoys admins.

Literally all you have to do is copy and paste what the person said into the adminhelp window. The conversation goes like this 99% of the time:

"Hey, don't talk about [x]/reference [meme] in-character"
"ok"
*place note*

It's not even something we usually ban for unless it's someone's like 5th or 6th offense.

[TheLoLSwat]

No one wants to be the guy who ahelps minor IC OOC, in part because it just annoys admins.

Literally all you have to do is copy and paste what the person said into the adminhelp window. The conversation goes like this 99% of the time:

"Hey, don't talk about [x]/reference [meme] in-character"
"ok"
*place note*

It's not even something we usually ban for unless it's someone's like 5th or 6th offense.

people dont play to ahelp every minor thing that happens especially if it doesnt impact them also snitchesgetstitches…

[Qbmax32]

people dont play to ahelp every minor thing that happens especially if it doesnt impact them also snitchesgetstitches…

lol

[Vekter]

people dont play to ahelp every minor thing that happens especially if it doesnt impact them also snitchesgetstitches…

Normally I agree but this is a fucking video game

[Epicgamer545]

You know, this is unrelated, but this reminds me of this one time…

[datorangebottle]

people dont play to ahelp every minor thing that happens especially if it doesnt impact them also snitchesgetstitches…

worst possible take. ahelping something like this takes upwards of ten seconds maximum.
also 'snitches get stitches' doesn't work in this context- the admin generally won't tell you who ahelped you, and retaliating for someone ahelping breaks multiple rules depending on where and how you do it; you're likely to just eat more bwoinks if you do this.

[ekaterina]

If you can't handle that, don't play greenshifts.

I'd love to, but have you heard of rule 5? By the time I know it's greenshit, it's already too late.

I'm pretty capable of inferring information from the logs provided and from what other people have been saying about Reider Meiza. (...) I have a pretty informed opinion on who Reider is

"I've only seen the worst of Reider (i.e. his infractions and respective appeals) but I have a perfect picture of who he is"
The arrogance in these words is comical.

I feel like you kinda just wanna argue without actually processing anything I write

You're just mad he won your debate.

Seeing as you are LRP probably haven't interacted with another officer long enough to determine that.

clutches pearls Tribalism?!1?!?!
Contrary to out of touch MRP belief, there are LRP security players who enjoy being security on LRP. It's the skeleton hours that have no security.

But no you're right, LRP vs MRP tribalism is definitely the more informed and nuanced stance, I'm glad we have your very rational and comprehensive contribution.

It's amazing to me that the instant you sorta fellows hear distinctions about LRP and MRP being made you pearl-clutch about server tribalism

But sinful, how can they force their views on LRP if they don't pretend it's all the same?!

There are far too many Sec members that are just plain fucking incompetent

Peak Flivo Convecta hours. Man will straight-up just stand there and watch you get murdered by a traitor as sec.

[Vekter]

You know, this is unrelated, but this reminds me of this one time…

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[Epicgamer545]

You know, this is unrelated, but this reminds me of this one time…

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:(

[vect0r]

Screenshot it

[sinfulbliss]

You know, this is unrelated, but this reminds me of this one time…

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WELL DON’T JUST FUCKIN SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING! CHRIST IT WAS YOUR LINK!

[Epicgamer545]

You know, this is unrelated, but this reminds me of this one time…

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WELL DON’T JUST FUCKIN SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING! CHRIST IT WAS YOUR LINK!

I don’t care. I’ll leave you guys to finally discover it or something 6 years into the future.
Cope.

[EmpressMaia]

Goon station

[vect0r]

You know, this is unrelated, but this reminds me of this one time…

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WELL DON’T JUST FUCKIN SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING! CHRIST IT WAS YOUR LINK!

I don’t care. I’ll leave you guys to finally discover it or something 6 years into the future.
Cope.

Can you just screenshot it?

[TheRex9001]

I condemn ye, 1 month of beestation shall be ye penance for this crime most foul!

[kieth4]

As for this peanut thread, Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius

[kinnebian]

As for this peanut thread, Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius

translate gave me "Kill them. For the Lord knows who are his"

wanna explain mr headmin

[datorangebottle]

modern translation made from looking at your translated text: "Kill them all, and let god sort them out."

[Lacran]

You don't get to break the rules solely because you are bored.

I'd love to, but have you heard of rule 5? By the time I know it's greenshit, it's already too late.

from what other people have been saying about Reider Meiza. I've also dealt with them myself on Manuel as they don't solely play LRP rounds.

"I've only seen the worst of Reider (i.e. his infractions and respective appeals) but I have a perfect picture of who he is"
The arrogance in these words is comical.

I edited in parts of what I've said previously because it directly addresses most of what you are saying, you just chose to ignore it because you're rather strawman than actually have a conversation, it makes sense you'd have common ground with players like Reider.

there are LRP security players who enjoy being security on LRP.

The issue I'm bringing up is that you are not a representative for security, you can barely engage with another person, let alone represent anyone else. You can say "I play LRP and I like Reider Meza" That's fine, I don't think most people care what you personally want but its fine for you to have an opinion on it. Even the people that are staunchly defending Reider acknlowedge they are a massive shitter than people will lynch on site, that's how bad they are. The person who took them under their wing Scritpis acknlowedges that their progress is insufficient despite their self admitted extremely hands on approach.

You claim to be the ambassador for LRP while ignoring everything every other LRP player is saying about this player. If you think you know best then do a better job establishing why, because its not because you play LRP.

The prime issue with Reider is they can't engage with another person in good faith, they have the capacity to interact, they just choose not to and wont change to the detriment of others. That's not an MRP standard that's just the bare minimum within any community. If you find that irksome then I suggest you look at your own conduct too. People saying "hey after a year you should try not being a wordless destructive shitter at every oppurtinity" isn't some biased MRP standard. That's the bare minimum.

[MooCow12]

You claim to be the ambassador for LRP while ignoring everything every other LRP player is saying about this player.

Every?

[Lacran]

You claim to be the ambassador for LRP while ignoring everything every other LRP player is saying about this player.

Every?

You said yourself you're basically just arguing to escape from dealing with something and most of the objections you raised was around you trying to redefine what RP was less that the player met the standards expected. Not exactly an endorsement

[MooCow12]

Redefine lol no, although good use of the term "standards expected" i cant argue against that.

As for RP, its a very very loose and abstract term, people can have standards on what form of it they want, again it doesnt have to be verbal or direct to be roleplay but people can have a standard for what they want, saying someone didnt roleplay or do anything for rp is missleading when they mean they just didnt meet a specific standard.

[oranges]

seven people define what RP means on tg

[Armhulen]

Greetings, forum dunces,

If roleplaying were an ocean, you would all be barnacles clinging to the underside of a shipwreck on the seabed. Your disgraceful attempts at immersing yourself in fantasy worlds only serve to cripple the very essence of storytelling.

While others weave elaborate tapestries with their words and craft immersive scenarios capable of inspiring awe, you flounder like sailors tossed into stormy waters without a life vest or proper swimming skills. Each time you "roleplay," it seems as if a group of kindergarteners have taken over your keyboards and are putting on their first performance of Macbeth.

Your characters' nonsensical motivations defy logic and make me wish I could tear my brains out and put an end to this misery. Your dialogue is as bland and unpalatable as overcooked spaghetti served with ketchup instead of marinara sauce.

So please, save yourselves from further embarrassment and leave roleplaying to those who possess even an iota of talent.

Withering disdain,
Armhulen

[Lacran]

Greetings, forum dunces,

If roleplaying were an ocean, you would all be barnacles clinging to the underside of a shipwreck on the seabed. Your disgraceful attempts at immersing yourself in fantasy worlds only serve to cripple the very essence of storytelling.

While others weave elaborate tapestries with their words and craft immersive scenarios capable of inspiring awe, you flounder like sailors tossed into stormy waters without a life vest or proper swimming skills. Each time you "roleplay," it seems as if a group of kindergarteners have taken over your keyboards and are putting on their first performance of Macbeth.

Your characters' nonsensical motivations defy logic and make me wish I could tear my brains out and put an end to this misery. Your dialogue is as bland and unpalatable as overcooked spaghetti served with ketchup instead of marinara sauce.

So please, save yourselves from further embarrassment and leave roleplaying to those who possess even an iota of talent.

Withering disdain,
Armhulen

HRP Headmin when?

[Itseasytosee2me]

I hate to bring it up (I don't) but our MRP servers don't have a higher quality of roleplay than our lrp servers. The only difference is restrictions that foster a more conflict averse culture, and blood brothers.

[Archie700]

Greetings, forum dunces,

If roleplaying were an ocean, you would all be barnacles clinging to the underside of a shipwreck on the seabed. Your disgraceful attempts at immersing yourself in fantasy worlds only serve to cripple the very essence of storytelling.

While others weave elaborate tapestries with their words and craft immersive scenarios capable of inspiring awe, you flounder like sailors tossed into stormy waters without a life vest or proper swimming skills. Each time you "roleplay," it seems as if a group of kindergarteners have taken over your keyboards and are putting on their first performance of Macbeth.

Your characters' nonsensical motivations defy logic and make me wish I could tear my brains out and put an end to this misery. Your dialogue is as bland and unpalatable as overcooked spaghetti served with ketchup instead of marinara sauce.

So please, save yourselves from further embarrassment and leave roleplaying to those who possess even an iota of talent.

Withering disdain,
Armhulen

Translation: stop acting like violent loot goblins. it ain't interesting.

[Fren256]

Greetings, forum dunces,

If roleplaying were an ocean, you would all be barnacles clinging to the underside of a shipwreck on the seabed. Your disgraceful attempts at immersing yourself in fantasy worlds only serve to cripple the very essence of storytelling.

While others weave elaborate tapestries with their words and craft immersive scenarios capable of inspiring awe, you flounder like sailors tossed into stormy waters without a life vest or proper swimming skills. Each time you "roleplay," it seems as if a group of kindergarteners have taken over your keyboards and are putting on their first performance of Macbeth.

Your characters' nonsensical motivations defy logic and make me wish I could tear my brains out and put an end to this misery. Your dialogue is as bland and unpalatable as overcooked spaghetti served with ketchup instead of marinara sauce.

So please, save yourselves from further embarrassment and leave roleplaying to those who possess even an iota of talent.

Withering disdain,
Armhulen

Dear Global Moderator Armhulen

You named your human character "Frampt Firstflame" on a MRP round. Because of this disgraceful action of yours, you unfortunately have no say in this matter. I request that you please refrain from mocking the seven people that discuss the real meaning of RP.

With dismissing regards
Fren256

[Armhulen]

Greetings, forum dunces,

If roleplaying were an ocean, you would all be barnacles clinging to the underside of a shipwreck on the seabed. Your disgraceful attempts at immersing yourself in fantasy worlds only serve to cripple the very essence of storytelling.

While others weave elaborate tapestries with their words and craft immersive scenarios capable of inspiring awe, you flounder like sailors tossed into stormy waters without a life vest or proper swimming skills. Each time you "roleplay," it seems as if a group of kindergarteners have taken over your keyboards and are putting on their first performance of Macbeth.

Your characters' nonsensical motivations defy logic and make me wish I could tear my brains out and put an end to this misery. Your dialogue is as bland and unpalatable as overcooked spaghetti served with ketchup instead of marinara sauce.

So please, save yourselves from further embarrassment and leave roleplaying to those who possess even an iota of talent.

Withering disdain,
Armhulen

Dear Global Moderator Armhulen

You named your human character "Frampt Firstflame" on a MRP round. Because of this terrible action of yours, you unfortunately have no say in this matter. I request that you please refrain from mocking the seven people that discuss the real meaning of RP.

With dismissing regards
Fren256

Fuck I got a whole new lifecycle of laughing at that stupid ass name, thank you

[RedBaronFlyer]

I hate to bring it up (I don't) but our MRP servers don't have a higher quality of roleplay than our lrp servers. The only difference is restrictions that foster a more conflict averse culture, and blood brothers.

They don't really have a higher standard of roleplay in the sense of "/me takes a seat" (bar RP is sadly rare, much to the dismay of bartenders), but they tend to have a different standard of gameplay compared to LRP:

• (usually) using words to ask for stuff instead of violently pressing M1 on the door and pointing to what they want like a mute(most of the time)

• less extreme retaliation for slights

• (usually) less destructive sabotage (which some people like and some people don't like that this is the case)

• (less extreme) escalation of IC conflict

• higher coordination in regard to various disasters that can occur

• discouragement of being Greyshit McTider due to how security and the crew as a whole will respond

Results may vary from round to round, There have been some rounds where it's basically just LRP. Obviously, I'm not saying that LRP doesn't have these, but if I were to guess, these are the primary draws of the MRP servers. Manuel's kinda been a bit more LRP than usual this last week, but I'm pretty sure it's because it's now summer break.

I feel like LRP, MRP, and HRP should really be taken more as how people play the game and the rules around it:
LRP: Goofy spessmen sandbox, with a few rules on how to act, but tend to be laxly enforced, unless you're walking around with the name Adolf Hitler ranting about how much you want to shove cocks into people's butts or something.
MRP: Goofy spessmen, but people will try to be a little less silly/murderous and stick to their job role for the shift. There are more rules, and they tend to be enforced a bit more, but they tend to just be charges added onto more severe behavior.
HRP: Serious spacemen with a high amount of "/me takes a seat" You will instantly be jumped by admins bored out of their minds if you blatantly break a rule.

[Archie700]

I hate to bring it up (I don't) but our MRP servers don't have a higher quality of roleplay than our lrp servers. The only difference is restrictions that foster a more conflict averse culture, and blood brothers.

They don't really have a higher standard of roleplay in the sense of "/me takes a seat" (bar RP is sadly rare, much to the dismay of bartenders), but they tend to have a different standard of gameplay compared to LRP:

• (usually) using words to ask for stuff instead of violently pressing M1 on the door and pointing to what they want like a mute(most of the time)

• less extreme retaliation for slights

• (usually) less destructive sabotage (which some people like and some people don't like that this is the case)

• (less extreme) escalation of IC conflict

• higher coordination in regard to various disasters that can occur

• discouragement of being Greyshit McTider due to how security and the crew as a whole will respond

Results may vary from round to round, There have been some rounds where it's basically just LRP. Obviously, I'm not saying that LRP doesn't have these, but if I were to guess, these are the primary draws of the MRP servers. Manuel's kinda been a bit more LRP than usual this last week, but I'm pretty sure it's because it's now summer break.

I feel like LRP, MRP, and HRP should really be taken more as how people play the game:
LRP: Goofy spessmen sandbox
MRP: Goofy spessmen, but people will try to be a little less silly/murderous and stick to their job role for the shift
HRP: Serious spacemen with a high amount of "/me takes a seat"

Whenever I hear a player say they represent LRP, it inevitably comes down to the same players who love the bolded issues

[ekaterina]

You claim to be the ambassador for LRP while ignoring everything every other LRP player is saying about this player.

The sheer irony in this remark, given how you have ignored all the people sticking up for Reider in this thread, is humorous.

I hate to bring it up (I don't) but our MRP servers don't have a higher quality of roleplay than our lrp servers. The only difference is restrictions that foster a more conflict averse culture, and blood brothers.

Translation: MRP players are less robust and more cowardly. This is 100% factual (source: trust me bro) and, interestingly, reflected in opinions shared in this thread.

Whenever I hear a player say they represent LRP, it inevitably comes down to the same players who love the bolded issues

LRP players like conflict and fighting. This is not news, you did not discover gunpowder. In fact, Rectification pointed it out above.

[warbluke]

Whole line down there hand over ur 2 cents.

I have to post a post? Alright here we go I sure hope I do alright:
It might be confirmation bias, but personally it feels like a lot of the big name robust players are always sliding down the ban pipeline. Your Lexia Blacks, your Korols, and now your Mezas, those sorts. (Did Lexia get banned or just quit? My memories fade like plasma out an airlock)
It's not fun getting torn asunder just because one of you rolled antag that round, but at the same time I do really like the element of chaos they can add to a round. Like, "Oh shit here comes Robbie Bust the HoS, the revs are done for!"
The biggest thing I guess is that these people can be really good at combat and game mechanics, but when it comes to the more socially interactive elements of the game they lose out big time. Then there are people who are good at combat and also using their words, the people who keep a lower profile, but at the same time those guys add less spice to the round.
I play bagil exclusively though, so my perspective is probably not applicable to the wider servers. I used revs as an example and I haven't caught a revs round at all this year.

[Shellton(Mario)]

I was going to invite reider to my paint contest so people would see he can indeed roleplay

[Lacran]

You claim to be the ambassador for LRP while ignoring everything every other LRP player is saying about this player.

The sheer irony in this remark, given how you have ignored all the people sticking up for Reider in this thread, is humorous.

I've specifically referenced people and their arguements for Reider like how Kendrick spoke about their lynch mob problem and scriptis both defending and acquiescing that they had considerable help and achieved very little improvement.
You, like sinful, are refusing to engage with the points people are making. You keep deliberatly ignoring things i've stated previously so you can repeat the same poorly thought out statements that i've already spoken with you about. it is not making you seem smarter to anyone. It doesn't add anything to your credibility (which you ironically seem to care about.) You're posting like a kid that wants to scream the same thing over and over again despite all evidence to the contrary.

[iwishforducks]

i wish we could nuke lrp mrp hrp nrp from orbit this has turned into such a fucking pointless conversation of "is it a 6 or a 9" like every other fucking time this is brought up

[Fren256]

Translation: MRP players are less robust and more cowardly. This is 100% factual (source: trust me bro) and, interestingly, reflected in opinions shared in this thread.

Cool it with the tribalistic remarks. Also this is false lol.

[sinfulbliss]

I hate to bring it up (I don't) but our MRP servers don't have a higher quality of roleplay than our lrp servers. The only difference is restrictions that foster a more conflict averse culture, and blood brothers.

Translation: MRP players are less robust and more cowardly. This is 100% factual (source: trust me bro) and, interestingly, reflected in opinions shared in this thread.

I almost don't even want to respond to this because it's such an L subject in general, "ERMMM r-ROBUST!!! LOOK how GOOD i can click... tch... kid..." Nerd react cringe subject

But you're pretty wrong about this and it's really not a good thing to say. How good you are at the game is mostly a function of hours, not what servers you're on. You have like 500 hours so I reckon you'd get your ass beat by a solid couple dozen Manny players, including some of the HRP catgirls that play there, simply because they have 1000 more hours of experience in the game than you. Don't put a whole server down just because there's one delusional Manny player in the thread

[vect0r]

I hate to bring it up (I don't) but our MRP servers don't have a higher quality of roleplay than our lrp servers. The only difference is restrictions that foster a more conflict averse culture, and blood brothers.

Translation: MRP players are less robust and more cowardly. This is 100% factual (source: trust me bro) and, interestingly, reflected in opinions shared in this thread.

I almost don't even want to respond to this because it's such an L subject in general, "ERMMM r-ROBUST!!! LOOK how GOOD i can click... tch... kid..." Nerd react cringe subject

But you're pretty wrong about this and it's really not a good thing to say. How good you are at the game is mostly a function of hours, not what servers you're on. You have like 500 hours so I reckon you'd get your ass beat by a solid couple dozen Manny players, including some of the HRP catgirls that play there, simply because they have 1000 more hours of experience in the game than you. Don't put a whole server down just because there's one delusional Manny player in the thread

As somebody who plays on both Manny and Sybil, I honestly don't know who would win between you or Gaiman, or some other HOS players.

[ekaterina]

I hate to bring it up (I don't) but our MRP servers don't have a higher quality of roleplay than our lrp servers. The only difference is restrictions that foster a more conflict averse culture, and blood brothers.

Translation: MRP players are less robust and more cowardly. This is 100% factual (source: trust me bro) and, interestingly, reflected in opinions shared in this thread.

I almost don't even want to respond to this because it's such an L subject in general, "ERMMM r-ROBUST!!! LOOK how GOOD i can click... tch... kid..." Nerd react cringe subject

But you're pretty wrong about this and it's really not a good thing to say. How good you are at the game is mostly a function of hours, not what servers you're on. You have like 500 hours so I reckon you'd get your ass beat by a solid couple dozen Manny players, including some of the HRP catgirls that play there, simply because they have 1000 more hours of experience in the game than you. Don't put a whole server down just because there's one delusional Manny player in the thread

No shit I'm wrong about that, almost as if it's a joke. I thought "source: trust me bro" would make it obvious that it's a joke. The only part of that line that wasn't a joke was the end. Manuel's conflict-averse culture is reflected in the opinions Manuel players are sharing in this thread.
You are wrong too, though. Simply being in the game is not enough to make you more robust, you need to have combat experience to get more robust. "HRP catgirls" who sit around in a hugbox the entire round and instantly drop horizontal when an antag shows up won't be more robust simply for having more hours.
Remember that guy who showed up to the tgstation forums to talk all about how some other server was so much better and he showed a youtube video of an antag "fighting" people who would just freeze up the moment an antag showed up to tell us how strong antags were there?

[conrad]

Ekaterina: hilarious take
Fucking SINFULPISS: lmao u dumb
Also Ekaterina: it was a joke bruh

[AsbestosSniffer]

Ekaterina is my favourite forum poster, it's as if he a bear, drunk on rum, contemplating flight.

[dirk_mcblade]

The problem is when you're constantly trying to die on weird hills it's hard to tell when you're just being ironic.

[BlueMemesauce]

I agree with sinfulbliss. The server wasnt always like this excuse isn't an argument to ban reider. Just because a boomer admim wants to bring back things to the way they were in the good old days doesn't mean that can actually happen. Banning everyone who adapted to the new culture just leaves you with a dead server. The people who come to tg for roleplay went to manuel, leaving the non roleplayers to go to terry/sybil. It's obvious that's the root of the problem. If you actually want to bring terry/sybil back to the way they were, remove manuel.

[Lacran]

If you think the state of Terry and Sybil roleplay is so non-existent that you'd need Manuel players to do it for you the quality control sounds pretty justified.

[CMDR_Gungnir]

I hate to bring it up (I don't) but our MRP servers don't have a higher quality of roleplay than our lrp servers. The only difference is restrictions that foster a more conflict averse culture, and blood brothers.

Translation: MRP players are less robust and more cowardly. This is 100% factual (source: trust me bro) and, interestingly, reflected in opinions shared in this thread.

I almost don't even want to respond to this because it's such an L subject in general, "ERMMM r-ROBUST!!! LOOK how GOOD i can click... tch... kid..." Nerd react cringe subject

But you're pretty wrong about this and it's really not a good thing to say. How good you are at the game is mostly a function of hours, not what servers you're on. You have like 500 hours so I reckon you'd get your ass beat by a solid couple dozen Manny players, including some of the HRP catgirls that play there, simply because they have 1000 more hours of experience in the game than you. Don't put a whole server down just because there's one delusional Manny player in the thread

As somebody who plays on both Manny and Sybil, I honestly don't know who would win between you or Gaiman, or some other HOS players.

As much as my main static shits on Gaiman IC all the time, he's actually remarkably good at what he does, and I genuinely agree with you.

[Fren256]

I agree with sinfulbliss. The server wasnt always like this excuse isn't an argument to ban reider. Just because a boomer admim wants to bring back things to the way they were in the good old days doesn't mean that can actually happen. Banning everyone who adapted to the new culture just leaves you with a dead server. The people who come to tg for roleplay went to manuel, leaving the non roleplayers to go to terry/sybil. It's obvious that's the root of the problem. If you actually want to bring terry/sybil back to the way they were, remove manuel.

This isn't going to happen. From what I gather the culture of Manuel is too different from the other servers. The MRP tag, even if it's just on paper, attracts a unique set of players, so if you remove Manuel (and Campbell for that matter), I can bet a good portion of those players will just migrate to other games instead of TG's servers.

[Epicgamer545]

Listen, all I want is to enjoy my horrendous emitter setup and actual normally functioning people that can ask for things that they want in peace.

[wubli]

The people who come to tg for roleplay went to manuel, leaving the non roleplayers to go to terry/sybil.

i don't agree with this. i'm a huge roleplay fan and i don't like manuel not because of its community or whatever but because i don't like antag restrictions. i like murderboning and traitors doing whatever they want and not just their objectives, i feel like it's the soul of ss13.
you can absolutely have people who put some effort into making a ""realistic"" character. just not saying meme words and acting less like it's a videogame is enough
act like you're an actual person living in a place where you can die at any moment to a colleague in exchange for a few coins and you can justify being fucked up in the head. you can have both roleplay and goofy things happen IMO

[Archie700]

People act like this only happened since Manuel was born.
It was not.
Ever since the beginning Sybil and Terry was already plagued with people like Reider.
It was never the case that non-roleplayers only appeared when Manuel was born, it was just always like this.