Player doesn't play overtime to outplay ban.

[vect0r]

Wait fuck I posted this before I came up with a witty title :/

viewtopic.php?p=689643#p689643

This caught my eye because:
A: clearly chat-gpt
B: Being asked to play double your living hours as non-antag seems excessive, maybe something like 50.

[Kendrickorium]

Wait fuck I posted this before I came up with a witty title :/

viewtopic.php?p=689643#p689643

This caught my eye because:
A: clearly chat-gpt
B: Being asked to play double your living hours as non-antag seems excessive, maybe something like 50.

"I Hope This Peanut Finds You Well"

that took me 5 seconds.

[kinnebian]

eweqeqeqeweqw

wonder how he went from literate rambling ai to stonesmashing caveman

[Cobby]

it would have made sense if he had more hours (maybe theres an unspoken alt or something), but having to play the game for over the amount of hours you have currently in the game is very rough and implies all of those 77 hours were antag rolling.

[Kendrickorium]

Wait fuck I posted this before I came up with a witty title :/

viewtopic.php?p=689643#p689643

This caught my eye because:
A: clearly chat-gpt
B: Being asked to play double your living hours as non-antag seems excessive, maybe something like 50.

its a fine amount of hours to play

vekters not punishing him, he's trying to get him to realize playing as a nonantag can be fun too, if not more so

also anyone that uses such a blatant ai script to do their appeals isn't just laughable, its likely fucking downright insulting to the admins that have to put up with it.
after calling him out on chatgpt i would have just locked the thread thrown it away

[Kendrickorium]

it would have made sense if he had more hours (maybe theres an unspoken alt or something), but having to play the game for over the amount of hours you have currently in the game is very rough and implies all of those 77 hours were antag rolling.

it also implies he's just here to make other spacemen horizontal, so he's kind of lucky he gets to play at all

[Scriptis]

this shit is ABSOLUTELY chatgpt

[Scriptis]

here's what chatGPT wrote me, spot the differences

Please write me a ban appeal for a community known as "/tg/station 13." I was banned by an admin six-odd months ago for "antag rolling," whereby I do not contribute to the game (which is meant to be very social) by regularly leaving when the game does not assign me a role that exempts me from most of the rules. The appeal should be directed at Vekter, a senior admin from the community. The reason I was banned was "Once again found connected to multiple servers at once after being asked not to repeat this behavior. You can find out what map the server is on without actually joining; you're just antag rolling at this point."

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[Your Name]
[Your In-game Username]
[Your Discord/Forum Username]
[Date]

Vekter
Senior Admin
/tg/station 13 Community
[Community Website/Discord]

Subject: Ban Appeal for "Antag Rolling" - Request for Reconsideration

Dear Vekter,

I hope this appeal finds you well. I am writing to request a reconsideration of the ban imposed on me approximately six months ago for the offense of "antag rolling." I deeply regret my past actions and would like to apologize for any inconvenience or disruption I may have caused to the /tg/station 13 community.

First and foremost, I want to express my sincere remorse for my behavior. I understand now that my actions of regularly leaving the game when I was not assigned a role exempt from most rules were not only disruptive but also went against the social nature of the game. I failed to contribute positively to the community and the gameplay experience of others, and for that, I am truly sorry.

Since my ban, I have taken some time for self-reflection and have come to realize the negative impact of my actions. I now understand the importance of being an active participant in the game and fostering a welcoming environment for everyone involved. I genuinely regret the choices I made and assure you that such behavior will not be repeated in the future.

Additionally, I would like to address the specific reason for my ban related to connecting to multiple servers simultaneously. I now comprehend the negative implications of this action and how it can be perceived as antag rolling. I assure you that I have learned my lesson and will adhere to the guidelines and server rules more diligently in the future. I understand that it is possible to find out the map the server is currently on without joining, and I will refrain from any similar behavior.

I have always cherished the /tg/station 13 community and the opportunity to interact with fellow players. Being banned has made me realize the value of this community and the impact that my actions had on it. I am committed to becoming a better player and contributing positively to the social atmosphere of the game.

I kindly request you to reconsider my ban and give me another chance to be a part of the /tg/station 13 community. I assure you that I have learned from my mistakes and will make every effort to become a responsible and respectful member of the community. If granted the opportunity, I promise to follow the rules, engage with others in a positive manner, and contribute to the overall enjoyment of the game.

Thank you for taking the time to consider my appeal. I genuinely apologize once again for any harm caused by my past actions and I look forward to the possibility of being welcomed back into the /tg/station 13 community.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Name]

[Misdoubtful]

I always think its funny when peoples chat bot assisted writing amounts to being worth less than a piece of paper.

[Vekter]

It's not even really an AI; that implies it knows something or is intelligent. It's just an algorithm that "learns" by absorbing data it's fed. Calling it an AI is dangerous because it makes people tell it to act like it's rogue, so it acts like it's rogue and people freak out and Alan Turing spins in his gay little grave.

B: Being asked to play double your living hours as non-antag seems excessive, maybe something like 50.

It's not really that hard. This also is far from his first ban for antag rolling, so I don't see an issue with expecting him to actually bother playing the game without being an antag.

[Cobby]

it also implies he's just here to make other spacemen horizontal, so he's kind of lucky he gets to play at all

well he isnt playing at all so instead of nabbing a perma and then say coming back with a lower antag ban after time has passed (if that) and he can say he came back with a new mindset, he has basically an indefinite sentence (ironically more than what perma usually implies here [not being catty here]) that expects him to OVER DOUBLE his playtime while also actively acknowledging he is losing out on an aspect he enjoys, sometimes even kicking him out of his character to ensure he does not get to enjoy that aspect in any capacity (would hours observing be counted if he was kicked out of his body?).

I definitely hate antag rollers but I think the time asked (again could be a piece im missing) is seriously too steep and didnt take their current hours into consideration. The ban's existence is perfectly justified.

[Scriptis]

It's not even really an AI; that implies it knows something or is intelligent. It's just an algorithm that "learns" by absorbing data it's fed. Calling it an AI is dangerous because it makes people tell it to act like it's rogue, so it acts like it's rogue and people freak out and Alan Turing spins in his gay little grave.

B: Being asked to play double your living hours as non-antag seems excessive, maybe something like 50.

It's not really that hard. This also is far from his first ban for antag rolling, so I don't see an issue with expecting him to actually bother playing the game without being an antag.

language is more and more appearing to be at the heart of knowledge and reasoning, and these models are becoming increasingly good at extracting that

check out https://github.com/Significant-Gravitas/Auto-GPT -- i'd call it pretty intelligent. the only thing really holding us back at this point is real-time learning, which is being resolved right now with derivatives on the forward-forward algorithm. i give it less than a decade before we're all fucked

regardless of all of the above, punt this guy into the sun

man is failing in class and turned in plagiarized homework

[dirk_mcblade]

It's not even really an AI; that implies it knows something or is intelligent. It's just an algorithm that "learns" by absorbing data it's fed. Calling it an AI is dangerous because it makes people tell it to act like it's rogue, so it acts like it's rogue and people freak out and Alan Turing spins in his gay little grave.

B: Being asked to play double your living hours as non-antag seems excessive, maybe something like 50.

It's not really that hard. This also is far from his first ban for antag rolling, so I don't see an issue with expecting him to actually bother playing the game without being an antag.

language is more and more appearing to be at the heart of knowledge and reasoning, and these models are becoming increasingly good at extracting that

check out https://github.com/Significant-Gravitas/Auto-GPT -- i'd call it pretty intelligent. the only thing really holding us back at this point is real-time learning, which is being resolved right now with derivatives on the forward-forward algorithm. i give it less than a decade before we're all fucked

regardless of all of the above, punt this guy into the sun

man is failing in class and turned in plagiarized homework

When the AI can walk around and has hands, that's when we're truly fucked.

[Scriptis]

When the AI can walk around and has hands, that's when we're truly fucked.

we've had that sorted with neural networks for more than half a decade

we're truly fucked when AI becomes widely and cheaply available enough to automate most of the service industry, which will likely happen within the next 48 months

edit: microsoft is in the process of releasing an open-source 13B-parameter model that competes with chatGPT

at 13B params I can run that on a PS4

[dirk_mcblade]

When the AI can walk around and has hands, that's when we're truly fucked.

we've had that sorted with neural networks for more than half a decade

we're truly fucked when AI becomes widely and cheaply available enough to automate most of the service industry, which will likely happen within the next 48 months

edit: microsoft is in the process of releasing an open-source 13B-parameter model that competes with chatGPT

at 13B params I can run that on a PS4

Do you think the government is going to start handing out licenses to AIs? How are you going to sue a computer for malpractice? There's going to be a degree of safety in fields that gatekeep such as attorneys. I could foresee such fields as basically reviewing and then signing off on the work of bots, which would reduce the number of jobs required.

[Scriptis]

Do you think the government is going to start handing out licenses to AIs? How are you going to sue a computer for malpractice? There's going to be a degree of safety in fields that gatekeep such as attorneys. I could foresee such fields as basically reviewing and then signing off on the work of bots, which would reduce the number of jobs required.

yes

have you met many lawyers?

because most of them are still dumb as hell

[Timonk]

Classic skill issue to admin solution. Next.

[TypicalRig]

Wait fuck I posted this before I came up with a witty title :/

viewtopic.php?p=689643#p689643

This caught my eye because:
A: clearly chat-gpt
B: Being asked to play double your living hours as non-antag seems excessive, maybe something like 50.

its a fine amount of hours to play

vekters not punishing him, he's trying to get him to realize playing as a nonantag can be fun too, if not more so

also anyone that uses such a blatant ai script to do their appeals isn't just laughable, its likely fucking downright insulting to the admins that have to put up with it.
after calling him out on chatgpt i would have just locked the thread thrown it away

why don't admins just reply to chatgpt generated posts with chatgpt generated replies? would even the playing field and there's no policy against it...

[Cobby]

It’s allowed so you can very easily out ppl who aren’t putting effort into showing they have improved

[JusticeGoat]

Just wait they will replace us with chat gpt admins here.

[yobihodazine2]

That is a favorable outcome. No one actually likes moderating conflicts instead of playing, feed it some rules and let the machine do it. I bet I could call that thing an asshole all day and it'd still spit straight facts.

[massa]

it would have made sense if he had more hours (maybe theres an unspoken alt or something), but having to play the game for over the amount of hours you have currently in the game is very rough and implies all of those 77 hours were antag rolling.

it also implies he's just here to make other spacemen horizontal, so he's kind of lucky he gets to play at all

are you not

[dirk_mcblade]

Do you think the government is going to start handing out licenses to AIs? How are you going to sue a computer for malpractice? There's going to be a degree of safety in fields that gatekeep such as attorneys. I could foresee such fields as basically reviewing and then signing off on the work of bots, which would reduce the number of jobs required.

yes

have you met many lawyers?

because most of them are still dumb as hell

Correct. But do you envision a world where the profession allows the government to assign computers licenses when the profession's purpose is to gatekeep people out to keep the cost of their services high?
That'd be like Ford factory worker unions voting to be replaced by robots.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

the issue of them being a weenie who uses a chatbot to say sorry aside, "You can't have antag until you've played another 100 hours of tgstation without it" is a pretty hilarious punishment to give to someone with a total of 70 hours played.
That's like, nearly a quarter of vekters total tracked playtime in the actual game.

[kinnebian]

Its funny. I mean, think about it. 100 hours?

[massa]

100 hours was fucking absurd

[Kendrickorium]

it would have made sense if he had more hours (maybe theres an unspoken alt or something), but having to play the game for over the amount of hours you have currently in the game is very rough and implies all of those 77 hours were antag rolling.

it also implies he's just here to make other spacemen horizontal, so he's kind of lucky he gets to play at all

are you not

no?

[Kendrickorium]

imagine siding this hard with shitters that are lucky to not be permad in the first place and use chatai to fill out their fucking ban appeals

>100 hours
>1 hour a day
>literally three months

holy shit.

[Kendrickorium]

"Ai generator? What are you talking about??"

this fucker is underage to boot

[kinnebian]

kendrick please stop doubleposting its a nasty habit to pick up

[massa]

imagine siding this hard with shitters that are lucky to not be permad in the first place and use chatai to fill out their fucking ban appeals

>100 hours
>1 hour a day
>literally three months

holy shit.

I respect your opinion, but I don’t agree with you. People who use chatai are not shitters, they are just curious and eager to learn. Chatai is a great tool to help them express themselves better. Maybe you should give it a chance, or are you too busy being judgmental?

[Fren256]

AI users should be pointed and laughed at.

[RedBaronFlyer]

AI users should be pointed and laughed at.

[Scriptis]

I respect your opinion, but I don’t agree with you. People who use chatai are not shitters, they are just curious and eager to learn. Chatai is a great tool to help them express themselves better. Maybe you should give it a chance, or are you too busy being judgmental?

ChatGPT is an excellent research partner for exploring fields you're unfamiliar with, 100%. In my experience, it has the knowledge of somebody with 10 to 30 years for any given field, especially with esoteric domain knowledge:

Spoiler:

this is from ~2 months ago while I was working on optimizing a CUDA kernel

that said, you can't learn a language by just using google translate to do your homework for you. using GPT-4 like this is an affront to anybody who actually puts in effort. it's offensive. it's plagiarism.

tl;dr it's a research partner not a homework machine

and the code it generates is usually shit if it's domain-specific

[Scriptis]

the issue of them being a weenie who uses a chatbot to say sorry aside, "You can't have antag until you've played another 100 hours of tgstation without it" is a pretty hilarious punishment to give to someone with a total of 70 hours played.
That's like, nearly a quarter of vekters total tracked playtime in the actual game.

please remember this person was already permanently antag banned by me and, immediately after having that ban lifted on appeal, started antag rolling again within two weeks

edit: also factor in the fact he's banned from every other major server already

[NoxVS]

Gets antag banned for antag rolling, appeals it successfully

Two months later gets banned for antag rolling, immediately after unsuccessfully appeals it and quits

Comes back a month later, plays like 15 rounds, unsuccessfully appeals their ban and quits

Comes back a few months later, plays like 15 rounds, quits

Comes back a couple months later, appeals their ban without having even played a single round since they last quit two months ago


He has literally played a grand total of 34 rounds in the half a year since he has been banned.

[TypicalRig]

AI users should be pointed and laughed at.

AI door

[WineAllWine]

This is why I made this code bounty viewtopic.php?f=5&t=33928

[Timonk]

IP grabber

[Kendrickorium]

skill issue

[yobihodazine2]

kendrick please stop doubleposting its a nasty habit to pick up

[Not-Dorsidarf]

the issue of them being a weenie who uses a chatbot to say sorry aside, "You can't have antag until you've played another 100 hours of tgstation without it" is a pretty hilarious punishment to give to someone with a total of 70 hours played.
That's like, nearly a quarter of vekters total tracked playtime in the actual game.

please remember this person was already permanently antag banned by me and, immediately after having that ban lifted on appeal, started antag rolling again within two weeks

edit: also factor in the fact he's banned from every other major server already

This just makes it funnier tbh. Because, you just KNOW, when he eventually gets his 100 hours played and gets unbanned, he's going to do it again.

[Vekter]

the issue of them being a weenie who uses a chatbot to say sorry aside, "You can't have antag until you've played another 100 hours of tgstation without it" is a pretty hilarious punishment to give to someone with a total of 70 hours played.
That's like, nearly a quarter of vekters total tracked playtime in the actual game.

please remember this person was already permanently antag banned by me and, immediately after having that ban lifted on appeal, started antag rolling again within two weeks

edit: also factor in the fact he's banned from every other major server already

This just makes it funnier tbh. Because, you just KNOW, when he eventually gets his 100 hours played and gets unbanned, he's going to do it again.

Yeah honestly the reason I set the bar as high as I did was that he had already been unbanned once for antag rolling. Had this been his first offense I wouldn't have made it 100 hours. He has to prove that he intends to interact with the game in a context outside of "me Grug, me kill because me can" before he gets that privilege back.

It's not like I banned him from everything but Assistant for 100 hours played. He can still interact with about 80% of the game as it is. He just can't be a bad guy.

Also, here's a secret: If he had even gotten anywhere close to that amount of hours, I would have considered lifting it. He wasn't even a quarter of the way there.

E: Also also I could have just told him to pound sand and wait a year before appealing again. This way he at least has a way to get back to playing antag before then.