Peanut jokes aren't funny

[Vekter]

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If that title sucks, it's your fault for not making the thread first.

Anyway this is the most valid a note has ever been, it's so easy to just not make rape jokes. Just don't do it. There literally never funny.

Also, b00t is misunderstanding how the word filter works. There's two word filters:

1) Hard filter - You cannot say the word at all, the game won't let you. This is for things that have zero IC justification to use, ie netspeak, things like "validhunting", etc. If there's no reason we wouldn't bonk you for OOC in IC for saying it, it's hard filtered.
2) Soft filter - The game warns you when saying it, telling you "This term is commonly considered OOC, only use it with valid IC context." and asking you if you still want to say it. This is for things like ERP, where normal use of it would constitute an OOC in IC violation but there are rare IC justifications for it, like when you're referring to an Emergency Response Party.

"Rape" as a word doesn't really fit in either. There's IC justifications to say the word and they're not rare enough that a soft filter would really be necessary. It's not something that's explicitly OOC. We could possibly soft filter it like we do slurs, but I think that opens up a can of worms with other potentially touchy words that aren't explicitly harmful but can be used in harmful ways.

It's way easier to just let people say it and bonk anyone who's making jokes about it.

[Archie700]

We are not going to have a discussion with someone who jokes about rape like it's nothing.

[conrad]

Thank you for quoting TBM to ratify exactly what I just said kek

try reading it again slowly this time.

I chose to ignore the part where you ask when it's ok to roleplay rape in SS13 for my own sanity.

[Boot]

Yeah that's fine, no one spoke up for the lad making rape jokes because you don't think that rape jokes are funny. I getcha, I better not hear you ever crying about this when we end up in that world that Sinful spoke of. The world where everyone is walking on eggshells afraid of doing anything that might be seen as "weird" by anyone.

[Boot]

Thank you for quoting TBM to ratify exactly what I just said kek

try reading it again slowly this time.

I chose to ignore the part where you ask when it's ok to roleplay rape in SS13 for my own sanity.

I'll never understand this doublethink here where at any point in time I am both 100% real rape roleplayer and just someone making a tasteless joke.

[conrad]

Thank you for quoting TBM to ratify exactly what I just said kek

try reading it again slowly this time.

I chose to ignore the part where you ask when it's ok to roleplay rape in SS13 for my own sanity.

I'll never understand this doublethink here where at any point in time I am both 100% real rape roleplayer and just someone making a tasteless joke.

On one hand, you yelled rape as a joke, which is the distasteful joke.

On the other you asked when it's ok to use rape when in a non-joking manner. That is a very sussy question, idk what you're wanting to get out of this. Like, that's what sparks your curiosity regarding the word filter? If that's the case, man, apply hand to grass. People don't go around joking about rape. Well, decent people anyway.

[Archie700]

The fact that Sinful and Ekaterina made better takes than Boot about the note says a lot about how the deck is stacked against Boot here.

[Boot]

Thank you for quoting TBM to ratify exactly what I just said kek

try reading it again slowly this time.

I chose to ignore the part where you ask when it's ok to roleplay rape in SS13 for my own sanity.

I'll never understand this doublethink here where at any point in time I am both 100% real rape roleplayer and just someone making a tasteless joke.

On one hand, you yelled rape as a joke, which is the distasteful joke.

On the other you asked when it's ok to use rape when in a non-joking manner. That is a very sussy question, idk what you're wanting to get out of this. Like, that's what sparks your curiosity regarding the word filter? If that's the case, man, apply hand to grass. People don't go around joking about rape. Well, decent people anyway.

Because if it isn't ok to be used in a joking manner(how I think that terrible awful things like rape should be treated in a 2d atmos spess sim) and obviously it shouldn't be used in a real manner(ERP) then you kinda are treating it as if it was hard filtered no?

[Vekter]

Isn’t murder worse than rape IRL? Why is murder allowed to be talked about so casually?

One could argue that it's not. Dying is dying. You're done with it once it's over. Sexual assault is something you have to live with for the rest of your life.

I don't even really think the comparison is relevant here. One of the reasons rape jokes aren't funny is because it can remind sexual assault survivors of their assault and trigger a PTSD response. It's an awful experience nobody should have to go through and, at least from my perspective, I don't think we should be okay with reminding people of something terrible happening to them for a little chuckle.

E: Boot you already lost, stop posting in your own peanut

[conrad]

Isn’t murder worse than rape IRL? Why is murder allowed to be talked about so casually?

One could argue that it's not. Dying is dying. You're done with it once it's over. Sexual assault is something you have to live with for the rest of your life.

I don't even really think the comparison is relevant here. One of the reasons rape jokes aren't funny is because it can remind sexual assault survivors of their assault and trigger a PTSD response. It's an awful experience nobody should have to go through and, at least from my perspective, I don't think we should be okay with reminding people of something terrible happening to them for a little chuckle.

E: Boot you already lost, stop posting in your own peanut

Basically this. Victims of murder don't suffer from PTSD, by virtue of being dead. Someone with issues with murder (i.e.: people who are uncomfortable with it) usually just don't play videogames with murder in it. There a plenty of videogames like that.

You know you're buying into a game with murder in it when you play SS13. You're not, however, buying into a game with rape (jokingly or not) in it. There are probably games like that out there. I don't want to believe there are. I will put my fingers in my ears and go lalalala until my brain accepts no such thing exists. I will dash headfirst into a brick wall until all notion of such a thing existing goes away along with whatever sacrifice needs to be made.

lalalalalala

[Boot]

Isn’t murder worse than rape IRL? Why is murder allowed to be talked about so casually?

One could argue that it's not. Dying is dying. You're done with it once it's over. Sexual assault is something you have to live with for the rest of your life.

I don't even really think the comparison is relevant here. One of the reasons rape jokes aren't funny is because it can remind sexual assault survivors of their assault and trigger a PTSD response. It's an awful experience nobody should have to go through and, at least from my perspective, I don't think we should be okay with reminding people of something terrible happening to them for a little chuckle.

E: Boot you already lost, stop posting in your own peanut

Basically this. Victims of murder don't suffer from PTSD, by virtue of being dead. Someone with issues with murder (i.e.: people who are uncomfortable with it) usually just don't play videogames with murder in it. There a plenty of videogames like that.

You know you're buying into a game with murder in it when you play SS13. You're not, however, buying into a game with rape (jokingly or not) in it. There are probably games like that out there. I don't want to believe there are. I will put my fingers in my ears and go lalalala until my brain accepts no such thing exists. I will dash headfirst into a brick wall until all notion of such a thing existing goes away along with whatever sacrifice needs to be made.

lalalalalala

Mate you can't honestly say that when we literally have the rape aliens as a main antag can you? Or maybe you'd like to see the xeno's removed as to not offend the rape survivor segment of the community.

[conrad]

Yeah, I can, 'cos every since I started playing in 2017, I never ever called them rape aliens lol

[CoffeeDragon16]

oh i was the ahelper. the player also kept yelling the funny n-word-but-its-space. glad they got it denied

[Kendrickorium]

anyone that screams rape at me gets immediately killed in game

sure, go ahead and ahelp it so i can explain to the admin that a 12 year old thinks screaming rape in a silly spaceman game is okay

really disappointed in zion for this, and then even trying to appeal it

you fucking know better man

[iain0]

This rebuttal does not work. While literally nobody who's here has been murdered, there can be survivors of murder attempts.

It does, because if you're suitably scarred by those mechanics which form the core of gameplay (murder, violence) then you're just in the wrong place. If you're scarred by the other thing, well, it has no place here anyway.

[conrad]

anyone that screams rape at me gets immediately killed in game

sure, go ahead and ahelp it so i can explain to the admin that a 12 year old thinks screaming rape in a silly spaceman game is okay

really disappointed in zion for this, and then even trying to appeal it

you fucking know better man

I like how Kendrick is the sensible, level headed member of the roudy bunch.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Rule 8 is literally just a codification of a rule 1 interpretation. We decided that we didnt want people smutting it up in dorms 4 or screaming rape when they get searched so we made a rule about not being erotic or creepy. Saying that the admin is incoherent for referring to both rules after they doink you for it is dumb.

[Cheshify]

anyone that screams rape at me gets immediately killed in game

sure, go ahead and ahelp it so i can explain to the admin that a 12 year old thinks screaming rape in a silly spaceman game is okay

really disappointed in zion for this, and then even trying to appeal it

you fucking know better man

Just make sure to ahelp it after you're done turning their skull into putty

[Vekter]

Mate you can't honestly say that when we literally have the rape aliens as a main antag can you? Or maybe you'd like to see the xeno's removed as to not offend the rape survivor segment of the community.

Nobody calls them that anymore.

You're literally just a 4chan poster who never actually grew up like the rest of us did. Fucking get your shit together.

[oranges]

The closest I come to it is saying something like, "I NEED AN ADULT!" in a humorous situation

holy shit dude? "I need an adult"? Your'e off the fucking Chain!

[Boot]

Mate you can't honestly say that when we literally have the rape aliens as a main antag can you? Or maybe you'd like to see the xeno's removed as to not offend the rape survivor segment of the community.

Nobody calls them that anymore.

You're literally just a 4chan poster who never actually grew up like the rest of us did. Fucking get your shit together.

Next time I want life advice from someone with blackface for their pfp I'll come asking pal. Now piss off.

[kinnebian]

boot why do you act like a dropped child

[Boot]

boot why do you act like a dropped child

Some blame the vaccines.
E: I am REALLY sorry if this joke offends anyone or they view it as weird PLEASE don't rule 1/3/8/9 ban me thank you very much praise Timber.

[CMDR_Gungnir]

I gotta ask what what rule this note was placed under.

Rule 0.

Edit:

Yeah that's fine, no one spoke up for the lad making rape jokes because you don't think that rape jokes are funny. I getcha, I better not hear you ever crying about this when we end up in that world that Sinful spoke of. The world where everyone is walking on eggshells afraid of doing anything that might be seen as "weird" by anyone.

If you can't tell the difference between "I screamed 'Rape' when I got arrested" and "My friend threw a pie at me so I yelled on comms that they creampied me" then I really think there's no helping you, and if anything you're more likely to get us pushed toward that world.

[Vekter]

Mate you can't honestly say that when we literally have the rape aliens as a main antag can you? Or maybe you'd like to see the xeno's removed as to not offend the rape survivor segment of the community.

Nobody calls them that anymore.

You're literally just a 4chan poster who never actually grew up like the rest of us did. Fucking get your shit together.

Next time I want life advice from someone with blackface for their pfp I'll come asking pal. Now piss off.

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How the fuck is "Prince Eric with Sebastian's mouth and eyes imposed on his face" blackface?!



This is the full image.

[Boot]

Mate you can't honestly say that when we literally have the rape aliens as a main antag can you? Or maybe you'd like to see the xeno's removed as to not offend the rape survivor segment of the community.

Nobody calls them that anymore.

You're literally just a 4chan poster who never actually grew up like the rest of us did. Fucking get your shit together.

Next time I want life advice from someone with blackface for their pfp I'll come asking pal. Now piss off.

?????????????????????????

How the fuck is "Prince Eric with Sebastian's mouth and eyes imposed on his face" blackface?!



This is the full image.

Fantastic image.

[TheBibleMelts]

[dirk_mcblade]

Mate you can't honestly say that when we literally have the rape aliens as a main antag can you? Or maybe you'd like to see the xeno's removed as to not offend the rape survivor segment of the community.

Nobody calls them that anymore.

You're literally just a 4chan poster who never actually grew up like the rest of us did. Fucking get your shit together.

Next time I want life advice from someone with blackface for their pfp I'll come asking pal. Now piss off.

?????????????????????????

How the fuck is "Prince Eric with Sebastian's mouth and eyes imposed on his face" blackface?!



This is the full image.

Thanks that's absolutely cursed

Mate you can't honestly say that when we literally have the rape aliens as a main antag can you? Or maybe you'd like to see the xeno's removed as to not offend the rape survivor segment of the community.

Nobody calls them that anymore.

You're literally just a 4chan poster who never actually grew up like the rest of us did. Fucking get your shit together.

The whataboutism concerning xenos is stupid because it's a well established sci fi trope in mainstream society by now but Alien definitely concerned that and similarly Kane being the male host was also a significant decision. But they sell action figures to kids from that IP now and it's basically uncancellable. Who's going to get offended by this specifically, tarantula hawk survivors?

[Fren256]

Apparently "sexual assault bad" is a controversial take for some people

[Jonathan Gupta]

Apparently "sexual assault bad" is a controversial take for some people

Hey and maybe call me crazy sexual assault terrible

[TheLoLSwat]

Bro will defend his right to joke about rape tooth and nail.

I don't actually care about saying rape. The entire argument here, which timber ignores, is that we shouldn't have any admin come in and saying "this word is effectively hard filtered now".

Nobody said that besides you tho. The word isn't hard filtered, just like there isn't map tile pattern recognition code to do a 5/5/5/5 explosion every time someone draws a swastica with floor tiles.

What everyone has been telling you, that you seem to ignore, is that there is no IC reason for you to joke about rape. You want a rule? How about rule 3?

Its actually crazy how no one is able to just have a discussion about this. You come in here with your minds already made up refusing to actually read the appeal and somehow I'm the child here? Do some critical thinking for christ's sake.

bro it might as well be hard filtered but MSO is really against it, so admins just crack down on people that say it for dumb reasons like you did, is that so hard to get???

[Boot]

Bro will defend his right to joke about rape tooth and nail.

I don't actually care about saying rape. The entire argument here, which timber ignores, is that we shouldn't have any admin come in and saying "this word is effectively hard filtered now".

Nobody said that besides you tho. The word isn't hard filtered, just like there isn't map tile pattern recognition code to do a 5/5/5/5 explosion every time someone draws a swastica with floor tiles.

What everyone has been telling you, that you seem to ignore, is that there is no IC reason for you to joke about rape. You want a rule? How about rule 3?

Its actually crazy how no one is able to just have a discussion about this. You come in here with your minds already made up refusing to actually read the appeal and somehow I'm the child here? Do some critical thinking for christ's sake.

bro it might as well be hard filtered but MSO is really against it, so admins just crack down on people that say it for dumb reasons like you did, is that so hard to get???

"The admins really really really want it one way but MSO doesn't want it so they just do it anyways" If you don't see the problem here then idk.

[Archie700]

The whataboutism concerning xenos is stupid because it's a well established sci fi trope in mainstream society by now but Alien definitely concerned that and similarly Kane being the male host was also a significant decision. But they sell action figures to kids from that IP now and it's basically uncancellable. Who's going to get offended by this specifically, tarantula hawk survivors?

Also that scene was genuinely played for horror. You are supposed to be horrified at the facehugger and chestbuster scene because that's what Ridley Scott was going for with this.

Not some edgy rape joke that wouldn't fly in 2023.

[RedBaronFlyer]

The closest I come to it is saying something like, "I NEED AN ADULT!" in a humorous situation

holy shit dude? "I need an adult"? Your'e off the fucking Chain!

Okay, I'll take after you and get banned from the Manuel discord for posting fart porn, then.

[Super Aggro Crag]

hello

[Fren256]

"The admins really really really want it one way but MSO doesn't want it so they just do it anyways" If you don't see the problem here then idk.

This is incredibly based, actually

[c4g]

hello

hiiii :3

[carshalash]

This is clearly a rule 9 violation.

[Unsane]

The problem with SS13 is that you play and roleplay as a job. Therefore, what may be considered decent or normal in attitude is still based on real-life work professionalism (even though there are murders in the game), which some players may not be familiar with because, well, not everyone has a job

[Rageguy505]

Peanut jokes aren't funny

Do you have a nut allergy?

[oranges]

The closest I come to it is saying something like, "I NEED AN ADULT!" in a humorous situation

holy shit dude? "I need an adult"? Your'e off the fucking Chain!

Okay, I'll take after you and get banned from the Manuel discord for posting fart porn, then.

I NEED AN ADULT

[oranges]

"The admins really really really want it one way but MSO doesn't want it so they just do it anyways" If you don't see the problem here then idk.

MSO wanting admins to judge cases based on the context around them instead of relying on filters != MSO being okay with you making jokes about being raped when being searched by a security officer.

Given he hasn't noticed or said anything about the long history of notes and bans for this we can probably safely assume he's okay with how they're ruling on it.

So what exactly are you arguing for?

[conrad]

"The admins really really really want it one way but MSO doesn't want it so they just do it anyways" If you don't see the problem here then idk.

MSO wanting admins to judge cases based on the context around them instead of relying on filters != MSO being okay with you making jokes about being raped when being searched by a security officer.

Given he hasn't noticed or said anything about the long history of notes and bans for this we can probably safely assume he's okay with how they're ruling on it.

So what exactly are you arguing for?

He's entrenched himself way too deep and now it's too late to back out and admit he's wrong.

Seems it's better to look insane than to look normal.

[MrStonedOne]

Apparently "sexual assault bad" is a controversial take for some people

This a disingenuous and dishonest take.

"The admins really really really want it one way but MSO doesn't want it so they just do it anyways" If you don't see the problem here then idk.

Rape isn't hard filtered so when some edgelord comes in trying to erp sexual assault on the crew they can report it to both radio and ahelp at the same time, not so you can do the same old tired 'he he he i'll say rape while getting arrested like every other shitter thats come before me.' I was noting people over when I was a trial min.

The hard filter is not there to protect you from yourself, hell that's half the reason i don't want too many words added to the hard filter, so we can ban people who can't express self control. The hard filter is there to protect the game environment around things that ruin immersion and have a close enough to zero chance of collateral damage.

[Archie700]

B00t turning out to be an unironically terrible person is basically the most unsurprising twist of 2023.

[sinfulbliss]

B00t turning out to be an unironically terrible person is basically the most unsurprising twist of 2023.

Sorry what? Could you qualify how he's "turned out to be a terrible person"?

He said "RAPE!" in a spaceman videogame, he didn't realize that wasn't allowed so he appealed it, it got upheld. What part of this makes him a terrible person?

[sinfulbliss]

B00t's argument is that he thinks the word should be on hard-filter if it's quite literally "NEVER" okay to say (in the admin's words). MSO keeps it off hard-filter out of principle, which IMO is a solid principle even if the application here is a bit wonky.

That's literally it. That's the whole thing. I don't see how any of this is "insane"? It's a pretty run-of-the-mill disagreement, and resolution. Calling him insane and a terrible person and even accusing him of thinking sexual assault is okay is such a horribly dense perspective.
Y'all three dumb as bricks tbh

[Lacran]

B00t's argument is that he thinks the word should be on hard-filter if it's quite literally "NEVER" okay to say (in the admin's words). MSO keeps it off hard-filter out of principle, which IMO is a solid principle even if the application here is a bit wonky.

That's literally it. That's the whole thing. I don't see how any of this is "insane"? It's a pretty run-of-the-mill disagreement, and resolution. Calling him insane and a terrible person and even accusing him of thinking sexual assault is okay is such a horribly dense perspective.
Y'all three dumb as bricks tbh

Most of the animosity towards boot is how he argued in bad faith by refusing to admit it was either a joke or an accusation and didn't take any responsibility for his specific usage of it.

That and his general edgelord behaviour.

His discussion on whether or not rape should be hard filtered has very little to do with if his usage was justified or not, which it wasn't.

I personally think the word rape can be used, in a very restricted roleplay context and never between player characters.

Mentioning surviving it, or being concieved from it, or someone from your backstory going to jail due to rape. Provided said discussion was warranted and done in a mature and sensitive manner could be fine. I don't see boot ever doing this.

[BlueMemesauce]

because its more weird to bring up in a round that your ss13 character was raped or raped someone than it is to scream rape when a security officer is arresting you

[dendydoom]

based MSO response, it's nice to get clarification on the big man's views

I personally think the word rape can be used, in a very restricted roleplay context and never between player characters.

Mentioning surviving it, or being concieved from it, or someone from your backstory going to jail due to rape. Provided said discussion was warranted and done in a mature and sensitive manner could be fine. I don't see boot ever doing this.

honestly while this is something i perhaps (it would depend entirely on the specific situation and its circumstance so i'm not comfortable giving a straight up yes/no) wouldn't rule on administratively it's definitely something that as a player would make me think "yeah this player is a bit of a weird one what the fuck is this backstory"

[sinfulbliss]

Most of the animosity towards boot is how he argued in bad faith by refusing to admit it was either a joke or an accusation and didn't take any responsibility for his specific usage of it.

He pretty much did though:

It is clear that there is a reason why we don't hard filter rape is because we allow it to exist for these more lighthearted encounters. That as the admin himself called it a "joke line" it would not fall under the purview of rule 8.

If you wanted it explicit you're not getting that because saying "it's just a joke!" in the appeal doesn't work, you have to argue based on the rules.
They had a better chance arguing it wasn't against rule 8 or rule 1 than saying "come onnn I was just messin'!" so that's what they did. Didn't work cause there's precedent for this kinda thing they didn't know about.

[dendydoom]

It is clear that there is a reason why we don't hard filter rape is because we allow it to exist for these more lighthearted encounters. That as the admin himself called it a "joke line" it would not fall under the purview of rule 8.

If you wanted it explicit you're not getting that because saying "it's just a joke!" in the appeal doesn't work, you have to argue based on the rules.
They had a better chance arguing it wasn't against rule 8 or rule 1 than saying "come onnn I was just messin'!" so that's what they did. Didn't work cause there's precedent for this kinda thing they didn't know about.

i'd argue it still falls under rule 8. it does not strictly only include things that are said to be sexually gratifying, it includes "creepy" and "things that could be construed as sexual by unwilling participants"

8. Erotic/creepy stuff is not allowed.
No form of erotic roleplay is allowed on the servers, including things that could be construed as sexual by unwilling participants.

being accused of rape while trying to arrest someone is something i would construe as sexual/creepy as an unwilling participant.

it's not an original or witty joke to be making in the first place and relies purely on making other people uncomfortable in order to get a laugh. no one laughed, just felt uncomfortable. thus, mission failed on their part. they should put more effort in.