He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
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- Fren256
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He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
Fourteen job bans jfc
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This is an unfair ban btw, at least with his side of the story.
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This is an unfair ban btw, at least with his side of the story.
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
Id like to clarify that the fourteen job bans consist of science, command and engineering.
Science is due to the recent appeal if you read.
Engineering is due to a poor escalation issue.
Command I have no idea where its come from
Science is due to the recent appeal if you read.
Engineering is due to a poor escalation issue.
Command I have no idea where its come from
- TheLoLSwat
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
I wouldnt say unfair, but it could be lowered to a week or something? or maybe an extention of the jobban?
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
I was observing this round and what Devin is leaving out is that he was clad in full Captain gear including the magnate MOD and the vast majority of the crew had already taken that he was the captain.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
You can understand that having three department bans doesn't make it sound any better, right?DevinXoptoh wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:14 pm Id like to clarify that the fourteen job bans consist of science, command and engineering.
Science is due to the recent appeal if you read.
Engineering is due to a poor escalation issue.
Command I have no idea where its come from
"I was banned from fourteen countries" is not worse than "I was banned from three continents".
Unless you suck at geography I guess.
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
If you were banned from every command role, why the fuck would you think taking acting would be a good idea?
You've were judged incapable of being captain and yet when given the opportunity on mid pop you jumped at it?
Of all the 30-50 people on the server at that time you were literally the least qualified person for that role.
You've were judged incapable of being captain and yet when given the opportunity on mid pop you jumped at it?
Of all the 30-50 people on the server at that time you were literally the least qualified person for that role.
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
I won't speak one way or the other on the actual ban or appeal, but as someone who was IN that round, we had people so upset with the captaining that they were starting to do a "we aren't revs but we're making a union" and as the bartender I had people giving me stuff to spike their drinks so that The Mob could deal with them.
It's rare to see that many people try to mutiny like that.
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
It started when he took the prisoner's swords, me and another player were protesting peacefully outside of the brig (Just waving about a sign, shouting "no justice, no peace", things like that)CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:12 pmI won't speak one way or the other on the actual ban or appeal, but as someone who was IN that round, we had people so upset with the captaining that they were starting to do a "we aren't revs but we're making a union" and as the bartender I had people giving me stuff to spike their drinks so that The Mob could deal with them.
It's rare to see that many people try to mutiny like that.
The "captain" then proceeds to throw a flashbang, flash us and then take our swords for said peaceful protests, and from there, it escalated into the unions and near mutiny that occurred.
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
How does he get in trouble so much. goodness me. I want to see logs of the mutiny now xDCMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:12 pm I won't speak one way or the other on the actual ban or appeal, but as someone who was IN that round, we had people so upset with the captaining that they were starting to do a "we aren't revs but we're making a union" and as the bartender I had people giving me stuff to spike their drinks so that The Mob could deal with them.
It's rare to see that many people try to mutiny like that.
There was a round once where I ended up demoting him (he was CE). After getting demoted he welded the SM vents. That was something.
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
Bet you 1 quid that was what got him jobbanned from engineeringConstellado wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:22 pmHow does he get in trouble so much. goodness me. I want to see logs of the mutiny now xDCMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:12 pm I won't speak one way or the other on the actual ban or appeal, but as someone who was IN that round, we had people so upset with the captaining that they were starting to do a "we aren't revs but we're making a union" and as the bartender I had people giving me stuff to spike their drinks so that The Mob could deal with them.
It's rare to see that many people try to mutiny like that.
There was a round once where I ended up demoting him (he was CE). After getting demoted he welded the SM vents. That was something.
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
It's pretty telling that on the one round he bypasses his ban he's already got people trying to mutiny him.CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:12 pmI won't speak one way or the other on the actual ban or appeal, but as someone who was IN that round, we had people so upset with the captaining that they were starting to do a "we aren't revs but we're making a union" and as the bartender I had people giving me stuff to spike their drinks so that The Mob could deal with them.
It's rare to see that many people try to mutiny like that.
Why do you think he's banned from so many jobs?
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
I'll give him credit for one thing, the Sci and Command were all at once, from an incident as an RD.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 12:24 amIt's pretty telling that on the one round he bypasses his ban he's already got people trying to mutiny him.CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:12 pmI won't speak one way or the other on the actual ban or appeal, but as someone who was IN that round, we had people so upset with the captaining that they were starting to do a "we aren't revs but we're making a union" and as the bartender I had people giving me stuff to spike their drinks so that The Mob could deal with them.
It's rare to see that many people try to mutiny like that.
Why do you think he's banned from so many jobs?
But it was also a very questionable thing to do, and doing this like, less than a week after having the appeal for all of those denied was definitely a very questionable decision.
- dirk_mcblade
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
The ban is justified for evasion perhaps but tbh if you're not getting the crew ready to lynch you as captain once in a while you're not playing the role very well.
- BrolyButterfingers
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
This ban's unjustified solely on the grounds that this needs to be documented clearly in the main rules somewhere.
- Bepis
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
if you're role banned don't use any justification to take the roles you're banned from, it'll blow up in your face like a maxcap with a health sensor
- Archie700
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
Ban evading isn't documented clearly in the main rules somewhere and yet we ban people for ban evasion all the time.BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:55 am This ban's unjustified solely on the grounds that this needs to be documented clearly in the main rules somewhere.
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
ban evaders aren’t banned for evading they’re banned because they did some other shit that got them banned and now it’s being applied to their new accountArchie700 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:24 amBan evading isn't documented clearly in the main rules somewhere and yet we ban people for ban evasion all the time.BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:55 am This ban's unjustified solely on the grounds that this needs to be documented clearly in the main rules somewhere.
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
Nah, people have been perma'd for evading temp bans before and had to appeal the evasion perma to play after their temp ban expired.
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
the reason evading isn’t allowed is because if evading were allowed it would make every other rule irrelevant since you could just evade after you got banned for them lolTimberpoes wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 11:28 am Nah, people have been perma'd for evading temp bans before and had to appeal the evasion perma to play after their temp ban expired.
evading being disallowed isn’t a rule per say it’s the necessary requirement for there TO BE rules to begin with
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
It’s sorta like escaping jail
Your sentence can definitely be extended to deter people from escaping jail but at the end of the day you’re not being recaptured because you escaped jail, you’re being recaptured because you’re a criminal that did some crime to end up in jail to begin with
Your sentence can definitely be extended to deter people from escaping jail but at the end of the day you’re not being recaptured because you escaped jail, you’re being recaptured because you’re a criminal that did some crime to end up in jail to begin with
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
Archie700 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:24 amBan evading isn't documented clearly in the main rules somewhere and yet we ban people for ban evasion all the time.BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:55 am This ban's unjustified solely on the grounds that this needs to be documented clearly in the main rules somewhere.
Add it to the rules. Nulla poena sine lege.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 11:28 am Nah, people have been perma'd for evading temp bans before and had to appeal the evasion perma to play after their temp ban expired.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
It is definitely a specific crime to escape prison, why are you even saying this?sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 11:37 am It’s sorta like escaping jail
Your sentence can definitely be extended to deter people from escaping jail but at the end of the day you’re not being recaptured because you escaped jail, you’re being recaptured because you’re a criminal that did some crime to end up in jail to begin with
- ekaterina
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
... where? Saying that something is a crime without saying where is pointless, it's likely there will be places where it is and places where it isn't. In Germany, for instance, it isn't.
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
Yes, you can. This isn't a constitutional republic. This is a videogame.
If you play a job you're banned, you're ban evading. Rule 7 yada yada
Curb you latin lmao
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
Okay maaaaybe it wasn't that unfair, but ever since he got back it looks like he's gotten some leeway instead of just getting perma'd again. With that in mind, shouldn't he get one more chance with a tempban instead of jumping straight to kicking him from the game forever?
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
I might have misunderstood the ban (can't check as I'm currently without the mighty power of adminnery) but they're "fresh outta perma ban". That's another permaban. They were already on thin ice and decided to see how high they could jump.Fren256 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:02 pm Okay maaaaybe it wasn't that unfair, but ever since he got back it looks like he's gotten some leeway instead of just getting perma'd again. With that in mind, shouldn't he get one more chance with a tempban instead of jumping straight to kicking him from the game forever?
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
That's a dumb rebuttal. By that logic, why have appeals at all? Why have complaints? Why not just let admins do whatever the fuck they feel like with no recourse?
If we have a system that seeks to provide a fair way to appeal bans, which is obviously a good thing, why stop halfway instead of actually implementing the core principles of penal law (nulla poena sine lege, non reformatio in peius, et cetera)?
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I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
Your face is a dumb rebuttal.
Because that would be monumentally stupid.
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
Calling something you disagree with stupid does not replace an actual argument. You're acting like a child, and that's pathetic.
I'm not going to argue with a dumbass who plugs his ears with his fingers and goes "lalalalala that's stupid lalalalal", especially one who has outright stated in the past he doesn't care about being right.
A lot of them are already applied de facto and unknowingly, as they underlie the concept of fairness, but why not make it overt?
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
we could add it to the rules but it should really be common sense, and has been a pretty clear precedentBrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:55 am This ban's unjustified solely on the grounds that this needs to be documented clearly in the main rules somewhere.
dont try to become the job your banned from while youre still banned
the best i can think of is just a rule thaat states that evading any type of ban will almost certainly net you a perma
respect (let him do his thing)
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
It is already in the rules in that rule 0 is that admins can do whatever they want.
People will be banned for rule-skirting all the time and it's better that way than to have to follow the letter of a strict legal text before you can boot some shitter.
People will be banned for rule-skirting all the time and it's better that way than to have to follow the letter of a strict legal text before you can boot some shitter.
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
No, it isn't. How is it better for a player to not even know whether something is against the rules or not than for there to be clear guidelines? That's one of the most absurd takes I've read yet.
As I understand it, rule 0 allows admins to not enforce a rule when it's in the interest of the round, not make up shit and enforce it.
Your "common sense" is not the same as the next person's "common sense". If it were, we wouldn't need rules at all.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
Oh this is juicy. Like an overly ripe lemon.
Let's break this down:
Back to:
E: Oh yeah, using latin to appear smart instead of making funny sentences is cringe.
Let's break this down:
So we have like two pieces of information here. One is:
The quote you're referring to (thanks for letting me live in your head rent-free btw) is "I'd rather be happy than be right". It means that I'd rather not argue with someone who will die on a hill, or that if I'm proven wrong, it's best to not die on the hill myself.
Back to:
Congratulations, you followed my piece of advice. It's good advice. Well done.
'cos it's a terrible idea. You'll make the rules pages into a fucking book if you try to cover every single different facet of rule-breaking. Most players don't even read the rules as is. In the wiki. In a wiki game.
E: Oh yeah, using latin to appear smart instead of making funny sentences is cringe.
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
Because being able to remove someone who makes the community worse because they're making it worse makes the game better than having to consult and then modify a hundred page document because they've cone up with a novel means to do it, it's pretty simple.
When things are this low stakes having a full legal process is silly and wastes everyone's time.
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
I suppose, but if we put it in the rules, it might just be:
Would you write the rule in any different way?The Potential Rule wrote:Evasion of any type of ban (Job Bans, Temp Bans, Etc) will be met with a permament ban.
respect (let him do his thing)
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I think that specific part is from the admin policy book thingamajig rule 0, and not the general rule 0 in the da roolz that allow admins to take action when they need to for the server
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Nobody's using Latin "to appear smart". I use Latin because these principles are known in Latin. If you copy and paste what I said in Latin into Google, you'll be taken to a Wikipedia that tells you what it is.
This is like saying that using English names of American people while talking in other languages instead of translating names is done "to appear smart", but with concepts instead of people.
Yeah. First, you should add that getting a job you're banned from via HoP constitutes evasion, for clarity. Second, I'd say it would be met with an increase to the ban's length, not necessarily a permanent ban, to give the admin imposing the evasion ban more leeway.
That's why we keep the core rules part small, like it is now, and expand on the 'precedents' footnote. Besides, this is more for the appeals process than for actual in-game behaviour.
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Alright, so:ekaterina wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 3:42 pmYeah. First, you should add that getting a job you're banned from via HoP constitutes evasion, for clarity. Second, I'd say it would be met with an increase to the ban's length, not necessarily a permanent ban, to give the admin imposing the evasion ban more leeway.
Evasion of any type of ban (Job Bans, Temp Bans, Etc) is not allowed and will be heavily punished.
Addendums to rule:
- Using the HoP to be promoted to the job you are banned from is considered evasion
Acting as the job you are banned from (Lawyer Security, etc) is considered evasion
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I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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All the rules are completely useless anyway aside from rule 1.
Do you guys actually think people who play the game read the fuckin 6 pages of rules we have meticulously going over clauses and requirements and precedents?
No one except forumites, admins, and chronic TG fanatics read anything at all whatsoever related to this game. All these policy threads, all the little decisions made, even the rules themselves, it’s all completely irrelevant for 80%+ of the playerbase (that’s what percentage don’t use the forums based on polls).
Do you guys actually think people who play the game read the fuckin 6 pages of rules we have meticulously going over clauses and requirements and precedents?
No one except forumites, admins, and chronic TG fanatics read anything at all whatsoever related to this game. All these policy threads, all the little decisions made, even the rules themselves, it’s all completely irrelevant for 80%+ of the playerbase (that’s what percentage don’t use the forums based on polls).
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Real, rules are mostly written down common sensesinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:54 pm All the rules are completely useless anyway aside from rule 1.
Do you guys actually think people who play the game read the fuckin 6 pages of rules we have meticulously going over clauses and requirements and precedents?
No one except forumites, admins, and chronic TG fanatics read anything at all whatsoever related to this game. All these policy threads, all the little decisions made, even the rules themselves, it’s all completely irrelevant for 80%+ of the playerbase (that’s what percentage don’t use the forums based on polls).
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
job banned means YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SELECT THIS ROLE AT ROUND START
if you want it to be clear to people that they arent allowed to DO IT AT ALL IN GAME, make sure they know it
common sense doesnt exist on the internet
if you want it to be clear to people that they arent allowed to DO IT AT ALL IN GAME, make sure they know it
common sense doesnt exist on the internet
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No, I think people who are appealing permanent bans do.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:54 pm Do you guys actually think people who play the game read the fuckin 6 pages of rules we have meticulously going over clauses and requirements and precedents?
We don't need a lot of rigour for decisions made in the heat of the moment by players and decisions made by admins on drumhead courts.
We do need that rigour in the appeals process, where we have ample time to timberpost and make sure we get every detail right.
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Permabans are not dished out lightly, nor in the heat of the moment. Also, codifying in a verbose and overly extended manner will restrain players from getting a ban reduced since they'll need to like justify the unfairness of their bans.ekaterina wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:32 pmNo, I think people who are appealing permanent bans do.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:54 pm Do you guys actually think people who play the game read the fuckin 6 pages of rules we have meticulously going over clauses and requirements and precedents?
We don't need a lot of rigour for decisions made in the heat of the moment by players and decisions made by admins on drumhead courts.
We do need that rigour in the appeals process, where we have ample time to timberpost and make sure we get every detail right.
It solves no problems. What we need is clearer rules and more empathy.
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If we don't want you playing a role, why would we want you to immediately go to the HoP and swap into it.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:45 pm job banned means YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SELECT THIS ROLE AT ROUND START
if you want it to be clear to people that they arent allowed to DO IT AT ALL IN GAME, make sure they know it
common sense doesnt exist on the internet
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CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:42 pmIf we don't want you playing a role, why would we want you to immediately go to the HoP and swap into it.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:45 pm job banned means YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SELECT THIS ROLE AT ROUND START
if you want it to be clear to people that they arent allowed to DO IT AT ALL IN GAME, make sure they know it
common sense doesnt exist on the internet
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Re: He can't keep getting away with it! Peanut
Think of it like a personality test.
People that pass the personality test appeal their permanent role bans explaining how they've done so good and understand how the game is about more than [dead man's switch maxcaps]/[delaminating the supermatter because your butt is hurt]/[going back to the cult and basically asking them to reconvert you after you're deconverted] and they get another chance, because they're using their playtime here as a vouch that they can play here.
People that fail that personality test go on to play on other servers trying to get a vouch.
Other servers have rules that tend to be far more restrictive than ours, and many players fail this step.
They don't always return.
People that pass the personality test appeal their permanent role bans explaining how they've done so good and understand how the game is about more than [dead man's switch maxcaps]/[delaminating the supermatter because your butt is hurt]/[going back to the cult and basically asking them to reconvert you after you're deconverted] and they get another chance, because they're using their playtime here as a vouch that they can play here.
People that fail that personality test go on to play on other servers trying to get a vouch.
Other servers have rules that tend to be far more restrictive than ours, and many players fail this step.
They don't always return.
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I'm quite okay with people who lack common sense getting banned so the system works if you ask me.
ekaterina can complain all they want but it's never going to reform the system because it actually works well enough.
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