Funeral for the syndicate graffiti and poster objectives (peanut?)

[TheLoLSwat]

The most free kills of all time gone...

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/77029

the new objectives in their place look really cool though, and it helps curb validhunting since there isnt hard proof of being a traitor

[dirk_mcblade]

I like it

[Itseasytosee2me]

Very good change. Also alleviates this: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=34516 just bit.

[Vekter]

Yeah, this is fine. Those objectives are kind of boring and make you super valid if someone sees you doing them. The new ones sound a bit more fun in general and generate more interactions between players.

[TheLoLSwat]

I am mostly excited for the way it will enable tots to do missions without being validhunted as much

[conrad]

Not to suck ocelot/watermelon dick but that's absolutely fantastic game design. Reward the behaviour you wanna see. Genius.

Goof, take notes.

[Jacquerel]

Relaxation of these items from being objectives also means you can set up a slippery floor decal / crab phone combo.

[sinfulbliss]

yeah really good change

[ekaterina]

Good PR. This will allow traitors to get that early TC and rep without being immediately outed as traitors by doing things only traitors can do, like put up bad posters and graffiti. Now they're just doing normal spessman things, like beating each other up and stealing the RPD.

[Nabski]

I like that the spraycan is sticking around because I've had good trap gimmicks by making a 3x3 sections of the floor slippery.

[conrad]

This is pog, holy shit. I just noticed self-antagging behaviour now could be perceived as someone doing progtot, which means you can destroy them under rule 4.

Most excellent.

[Jacquerel]

I like that the spraycan is sticking around because I've had good trap gimmicks by making a 3x3 sections of the floor slippery.

Plus now you can buy 5 of them rather than being limited to one ever.

[Vekter]

Relaxation of these items from being objectives also means you can set up a slippery floor decal / crab phone combo.

Ah Christ, that sounds hilarious. Get there with the surge of idiots and, in the sheer chaos, spray down a decal then scream about being slipped. Amazing.

[TheLoLSwat]

This is pog, holy shit. I just noticed self-antagging behaviour now could be perceived as someone doing progtot, which means you can destroy them under rule 4.

Most excellent.

No no no I think it is the other way around, traitors will have the perfect cover of just trolling most of the time (unless they get caught in the act putting the obj into the incinerator).

Posters were free because if you had your fingerprints on it and the poster was still up, it means you were the one to place it there 99 times out of 100. You would have a hard time reliably treating someone as an antag for punching someone else 4 times, especially if they put at least some effort into baiting a fight

[conrad]

This is pog, holy shit. I just noticed self-antagging behaviour now could be perceived as someone doing progtot, which means you can destroy them under rule 4.

Most excellent.

No no no I think it is the other way around, traitors will have the perfect cover of just trolling most of the time (unless they get caught in the act putting the obj into the incinerator).

Posters were free because if you had your fingerprints on it and the poster was still up, it means you were the one to place it there 99 times out of 100. You would have a hard time reliably treating someone as an antag for punching someone else 4 times, especially if they put at least some effort into baiting a fight

Can I be real? This is even MORE pog 'cos I think both are gonna happen at the same time and in either instance it's gonna be fucking hilarious.

[Thranos]

When do we get a kneecap breaking objective?
Also, good PR for once.

[blackdav123]

When do we get a kneecap breaking objective?

this would be a pretty good as an objective a step between punching someone and killing someone

if its just "wound x person" then there is plenty of ways to get it done ranging from breaking kneecaps or lasering someone to getting them smashed with a vending machine or pushing them in front of the tram or in front of an emitter

[Kendrickorium]

i dont like this because now when i gulag someone for 20 points they will actually mine it and come back

[Jacquerel]

No joke I think I coded the poster objective like one week after I returned to SS13 following an 8 year break so the justification for them existing as an objective wasn't really based on any actual game experience.
Not that anything coders add is, given that they don't play the game.

[Itseasytosee2me]

the only thing im concerned about is friendly traitors going up to there targets and going “Hii can i pwease punch you :3, i neewd it to gewt my weputaion up wif the sywdicate”

[conrad]

the only thing im concerned about is friendly traitors going up to there targets and going “Hii can i pwease punch you :3, i neewd it to gewt my weputaion up wif the sywdicate”

KILL FRIENDLY ANTAGS

[RedBaronFlyer]

Detective when someone punches a guy five times (they could be a progtot):

[Not-Dorsidarf]

I hate this because it means the "make a hallway impassably obnoxious" button can be hammered repeatedly for basically no cost ugh

[Jacquerel]

I hate this because it means the "make a hallway impassably obnoxious" button can be hammered repeatedly for basically no cost ugh

Yeah but now if you find someone doing that it's much less objectionable to kill them, it's like buying a balloon

[Cheshify]

the only thing im concerned about is friendly traitors going up to there targets and going “Hii can i pwease punch you :3, i neewd it to gewt my weputaion up wif the sywdicate”

If someone does this I'm going to say "sure just give me a second" and then break their fucking limbs with a toolbox.

[sinfulbliss]

I hate this because it means the "make a hallway impassably obnoxious" button can be hammered repeatedly for basically no cost ugh

TBF this has always happened even before progtot
the best solution is to do something extremely mean in reply that’ll get them angry enough to unleash their inner traitor demon mode

[Super Aggro Crag]

might be fun

[Capsandi]

I love how whenever a stealing objective is conceptualized it highlights how few things remain valuable in current code. I think most powergamers just have a beaker of dispenser meds and a telebaton now because thats as good as you can get(outside of mass produced autolathe crap theres no conflict over). I remember when everyone wanted the hand tele because a reliable teleport was highly useful before maintenance was made into a public hallway.
The spare was fought over. IDK why it cant just be in the bridge for a head to grab instead of all of this invincible safe nonsense.
The armory was broken into from space too. What happened to that? Players would regularly go through the trouble of acquiring space gear only to use it to loot the armory. I guess its cause one gun instead of like 5 and the security fit isn't enough to make it worthwhile.
Hell, insuls aren't even coveted now. I don't know who saw that there was only one useful pair of gloves and decided to nerf those instead of actually making a second useful pair of gloves, but now everyone just chugs greybull or whatever. Maybe its the lack of shocks that did them in i dunno. Could we get like a burnt-out nerve-ending wound for shocks over X watts or whatever? Or just re-add shock dusting.
Speaking of shocks, who's seen a tesla gun in the last like 3 years? Those self charging advanced e-guns are still in the game too but nobody seems to be interested in making any of them after that gun part rework.
okay rant over i bet i could think up more but w/e

[PengisBungholius]

I hate this because it means the "make a hallway impassably obnoxious" button can be hammered repeatedly for basically no cost ugh

you can clean it if it isn't shining, I don't know if that's obvious from examining or anything though

[TheLoLSwat]

I love how whenever a stealing objective is conceptualized it highlights how few things remain valuable in current code. I think most powergamers just have a beaker of dispenser meds and a telebaton now because thats as good as you can get(outside of mass produced autolathe crap theres no conflict over). I remember when everyone wanted the hand tele because a reliable teleport was highly useful before maintenance was made into a public hallway.
The spare was fought over. IDK why it cant just be in the bridge for a head to grab instead of all of this invincible safe nonsense.
The armory was broken into from space too. What happened to that? Players would regularly go through the trouble of acquiring space gear only to use it to loot the armory. I guess its cause one gun instead of like 5 and the security fit isn't enough to make it worthwhile.
Hell, insuls aren't even coveted now. I don't know who saw that there was only one useful pair of gloves and decided to nerf those instead of actually making a second useful pair of gloves, but now everyone just chugs greybull or whatever. Maybe its the lack of shocks that did them in i dunno. Could we get like a burnt-out nerve-ending wound for shocks over X watts or whatever? Or just re-add shock dusting.
Speaking of shocks, who's seen a tesla gun in the last like 3 years? Those self charging advanced e-guns are still in the game too but nobody seems to be interested in making any of them after that gun part rework.
okay rant over i bet i could think up more but w/e

I believe they are just low rung objectives for an early game warm up, some low stakes low reward evildoing to get you started. Also...

I remember when everyone wanted the hand tele because a reliable teleport was highly useful before maintenance was made into a public hallway.

Hand tele is still very useful and coveted by everyone that knows how to use it, it is completely up to captain though since they can (theoretically) just hide the spare hand tele somewhere unreachable, which is unfortunately what happens a lot of the times im planning on stealing it as station engineer :((

The spare was fought over. IDK why it cant just be in the bridge for a head to grab instead of all of this invincible safe nonsense.

The spare is still fought over, people always bug the captain for the code. This leads to either the captain telling everyone to fuck off, or announcing who gets the spare so they are unofficially "accepted" into the chain of command. It is also not just out in the bridge so Allen Assistant can speedrun into bridge after finding out there isnt a captain

The armory was broken into from space too. What happened to that? Players would regularly go through the trouble of acquiring space gear only to use it to loot the armory. I guess its cause one gun instead of like 5 and the security fit isn't enough to make it worthwhile.

I think the risk-reward of an armory break in from space has been recognized as way too not worth it by the playerbase for good reason. If someone is smart enough to plan an armory break in, they probably can figure out a way to get into the armory without making an (immediate!) enemy out of every bored crewmember with eva gear. There are also no tasers :((

Hell, insuls aren't even coveted now.

come on lets be real, insuls are still coveted, you just need to have a reason to want them or have space in your bag for them, or just remember to take them off if you have weapons you need to use

[Capsandi]

I am trying to doom post please I only have 16 hours to doompost before the money unto his again you

[celularLAmp]

Does the spraycan still mood debuff?

Can you spam posters and give massive mood debuff?

[Jacquerel]

Does the spraycan still mood debuff?

Can you spam posters and give massive mood debuff?

The poster mood doesn't stack if you see other posters.

[Ziiro]

tbh posters and the spray cans should just be in the maint loot spawn list

[oranges]

I love how whenever a stealing objective is conceptualized it highlights how few things remain valuable in current code.

any time something valuable gets added an endless legion of well meaning noob developers try to make it more accessible by adding it to jobs and cargo and other content sources until everyone and their fucking dog have one.