Pay attention to who all of the sudden stops being robust at combat. [aimbots are kill codenut]

[MrStonedOne]

No reason. None at all. ^(Checkem)


edit: As others have suggested, I found out that byond version 514.xxxx broke our code to detect the drag+click aimbot trick, a zero-external-tools-needed aimbot exploit that byond calls a feature. Because it requires zero external tools, programs, or dlls, and was a previously known aimbot trick, there was likely a high occurrence of people using it.

This was fixed recently.

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/77316

[conrad]

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TRIPS

[Jonathan Gupta]

what does this mean pay attention to them or like, report them or what

[RedBaronFlyer]

Jokes on you, I've never been robust.

[stairmaster]

what does this mean pay attention to them or like, report them or what

ive purchased bdudy's ckey

[Turbonerd]

Why?

[Jonathan Gupta]

what does this mean pay attention to them or like, report them or what

ive purchased bdudy's ckey

I dont know bdudys ckey so jokes on you

[BONERMASTER]

Let me guess: Anti-cheat? Because this has been overdue, let me tell you, cheaters are a thing, and if they get axed hard and fast, the better for everyone!


With legitimate regards
-BONERMASTER

[Turbonerd]

Krimmity and Chef-SS apparantly disliked the issue report, so watch out for those people and measure their change in kdr from before and after the PR if you know their ckeys lol.

[Kendrickorium]

account thieves among us?

[conrad]

among us?

ඞ

[stairmaster]

what does this mean pay attention to them or like, report them or what

ive purchased bdudy's ckey

I dont know bdudys ckey so jokes on you

its bdudy

[Jonathan Gupta]

what does this mean pay attention to them or like, report them or what

ive purchased bdudy's ckey

I dont know bdudys ckey so jokes on you

its bdudy

oh yeah

[MooCow12]

Shoutout to the people who rely entirely on indirect combat and are not effected by swing combat at all.

[Itseasytosee2me]

Shoutout to the people who rely entirely on indirect combat and are not effected by swing combat at all.

I don't think this post is directed at swing combat.

[EmpressMaia]

I missed the swing combat test merge I'm sad

[MooCow12]

Shoutout to the people who rely entirely on indirect combat and are not effected by swing combat at all.

I don't think this post is directed at swing combat.

im so confused

[Turbonerd]

Shoutout to the people who rely entirely on indirect combat and are not effected by swing combat at all.

I don't think this post is directed at swing combat.

im so confused

There was an exploit that allowed people to basically aimbot. That got fixed.

[MrStonedOne]

So, anybody stand out?

Any security players drop off the face of the server after they got robusted by a non-antag clown with an intern id?

As others have suggested, I found out that byond version 514.xxxx broke our code to detect the drag+click aimbot trick, a zero-external-tools-needed aimbot exploit that byond calls a feature. Because it requires zero external tools, programs, or dlls, and was a previously known aimbot trick, there was likely a high occurrence of people using it.

This was fixed recently.

[sinfulbliss]

to be honest i don’t think i’ve ever witnessed an aimbotter a single time in all the time i’ve played TG

maybeee one or two evader accounts that lasted 1 round a piece for a day

it’s just too obvious to spot, anyone that would do it would be caught and banned instantly I think

[TheLoLSwat]

to be honest i don’t think i’ve ever witnessed an aimbotter a single time in all the time i’ve played TG

maybeee one or two evader accounts that lasted 1 round a piece for a day

it’s just too obvious to spot, anyone that would do it would be caught and banned instantly I think

yeah no way someone exploiting it would last long, especially with how ahelps work. It just takes one round of getting unlucky and an admin connecting while you are validing people.

Someone would need to perma randomname while also constantly changing their tendencies and at that point is it even worth it for something that you can just... practice??

[dirk_mcblade]

I've been paying lummox 24 bux to break anticheat?

[MrStonedOne]

I am confused. What do you all think an aimbot would look like.

Say its a sec player, what do you think would show up to make it obvious?

[TheLoLSwat]

I am confused. What do you all think an aimbot would look like.

Say its a sec player, what do you think would show up to make it obvious?

someones gunplay consistently being head and shoulders above everything else in their mechanical skillset

[WineAllWine]

jokes on you I've always been unrobust

[GPeckman]

someones gunplay consistently being head and shoulders above everything else in their mechanical skillset

Lasers and bullets are slow enough that aiming directly at someone rarely works. You generally have to lead your shots accurately, and it doesn't sound like the exploit works that way.

[Jacquerel]

I think the point of confusion here is that "aimbot" is usually used in gaming communities to mean things which help you aim your clicks better for the purposes of firing a gun
but that's actually just optimising "how to click on the correct screen pixel"

an aimbot in ss13 is for clicking on things with unusual speed and accuracy, as it is in other games. that doesn't mean it helps you with shooting.

[MrStonedOne]

because of how clicks and attacks work on /tg/, the aimbot trick i fixed would allow you to spam/mash clicks with a melee weapon and only actually attack (and spend an attack cooldown) when they are within a tile of you.

Melee aimbot would see a lot of moving into range, attacking, than moving out of range, or cases where their weapon hits the moment you come into range while yakety saxing. For sec doing this, this would be somewhat obvious but also you can time it so it looks plausible if you don't tryhard. non-sec you're more likely to see more of that triggering the lock and then spam clicking so that they attack the moment the target comes into a tile's range.

Also with how slow projectiles work and how few weapons are hitscan, and our lack of client side lag comp, a gun aimbot wouldn't be obvious nor even all that helpful except on short range. gunplay is about predicting where the target will be in a few ticks time, not clicking their mob accurately

[sinfulbliss]

because of how clicks and attacks work on /tg/, the aimbot trick i fixed would allow you to spam/mash clicks with a melee weapon and only actually attack (and spend an attack cooldown) when they are within a tile of you.

Melee aimbot would see a lot of moving into range, attacking, then moving out of range, or cases where their weapon hits the moment you come into range while yakety saxing. For sec doing this, this would be somewhat obvious but also you can time it so it looks plausible if you don't tryhard. non-sec you're more likely to see more of that triggering the lock and then spam clicking so that they attack the moment the target comes into a tile's range.

You just described a large part of melee combat. Moving in and out of range or “zoning” a certain tile you expect them to walk into. An aimbot would probably make that a lot easier but I think there would be some very obvious “tells” aside from just them being hyper accurate.

For instance an aimbot AFAIK locks into targets, regardless of how they move. When you get into range they will hit you as fast as cooldown allows, which is extremely obvious. Another thing you’ll notice is a complete lack of awareness about anything else, very mismatched clicking skills compared to pretty much any other facet of combat. It’s super obvious IMO but perhaps there are people that hide it well.

[TheLoLSwat]

For instance an aimbot AFAIK locks into targets, regardless of how they move. When you get into range they will hit you as fast as cooldown allows, which is extremely obvious. Another thing you’ll notice is a complete lack of awareness about anything else, very mismatched clicking skills compared to pretty much any other facet of combat. It’s super obvious IMO but perhaps there are people that hide it well.

Ty for explaining it better than me and also in ss13 terms, I just don’t see how someone will last long while still cheating, especially because you are going up against the same 500+ hour players

[blackdav123]

aimbot in ss13 is like cheats in a fighting game that make you automatically hit someone the instant you can

getting hit by someone's baton the instant they walk into range and it happening multiple times in a row is extremely obvious so I wouldnt call cheaters a huge issue

[oranges]

I still remember in the release video for rshoes aimbot he got stunned by a tg security officer despite having it on and then was robusted.

[kinnebian]

I just don’t see how someone will last long while still cheating, especially because you are going up against the same 500+ hour players

they never last long with cheating
theyre insanely easy to spot and insanely easy to just use stuns against