Hail, Hail Resprites

RedBaronFlyer · Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:55 pm

Bottom post of the previous page:

Cargo Resprite PR: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/77456

GET YER BINGO CARDS, FOLKS! GET YER BINGO CARDS HERE

(I'm too lazy to scramble these from last time)

Post by **iansdoor** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:01 am #698336

oranges wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:25 am what i'm seeing is a lot of ur mad.

Honestly, that bingo card is too easy. But you do have to admit that there is a big bias in some PRs. "Mayhem in a Bottle from bubblegum is a worthless loot and bleh bleh bleh," I recall you denied that immediately cause it is a good item. I am happy, you kept the bottle.

Talking about resprites

old basic unpolished resprite crates, with everything became 15% bigger.

the now-new bubble floor lights, that are just funky looking.

the new normal dark grey hard-to-see light fixtures on a grey dark wall on top of a dark grey floortile

now-new light emission being stuck on same squares even if the wall it's on is gone

old atmos canisters resprites, where known pressure was impossible to know without scanning the canister, the little lights were singular dot

.
All in all, the lack of feedback is kind of is there. The authors just went to their safe places and continue to talk with their buddies about their work.

If I was to still bitch about coders.
I still don't understand how a lizard brain in a borg forgets how to read or say anything in draconic.

BrolyButterfingers · Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:20 am

Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:35 am
conrad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:03 am That's not a hallmark of good development and MSO himself said that he doesn't approve of pigeonholing everyone as people that hate change for its own sake. Which is exactly what happens when oranges drops lovely lines such as "player opinion doesn't matter" and "there's nothing you can do I am in charge"
You're not wrong. I'm giving him a reason as to why oranges is like that, not trying to justify that it's a good thing. Ideally we would be more open to change on both sides, but the unfortunate truth is that people online kind of suck and running a development community is hard.

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:25 am not an argument, you can't go ACTUALLY YOU'RE A BAD STINKY because then i can go PERHAPS...THE EGG CAME BEFORE THE CHICKEN and point out that maybe people are loud and angry with criticism because the development leads are fucking assholes to them regardless.
It's a cycle. People hate maintainers because they don't listen to feedback because the feedback kind of sucks because people don't put effort into it because maintainers don't listen to feedback etc. etc.

It's impossible to pinpoint when it started but nothing is going to change it at this point other than stopping giving shitty feedback and hoping those in power in turn start taking feedback again. Otherwise we have zero impact on what happens at this point.

It's not on the players to break this cycle because "players" are far, far too varied in terms of knowledge level/investment/etc while the level of investment is similar across all maintainers. One is a small, homogenous group of people with similar levels of investment and the other is everyone else.

I used to run an online guild in a game with about 6000 members and one of the biggest things I learned was that any change like this cannot come from anywhere except the top-down because you cannot force a sea change on the largest, most varied group. It's something that's earned and cultivated from how the smallest, most invested segments of the group base treat those with lower levels of personal/emotional investment.

None of this is particularly shocking information, but hemming and hawing about how it's a cycle is a waste of time because the answer, across groups, hobbies, sometimes even companies, is and always has been largely the same: the ones that have to break it are the ones that are the most present and invested.

I suspect it'll never meaningfully change on /tg/ because the entire dynamic seems like it's more than a half a decade old at this point and everyone in the upper groups seem comfortable to keep playing out the hostility that they've become accustomed to, but it feels bizarre to me that people try to pretend it's on anybody except the people at the top to break the cycle.

Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:58 am

iansdoor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:01 am
now-new light emission being stuck on same squares even if the wall it's on is gone

what? do you mean like, directional lighting? or

Post by **iansdoor** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:05 am #698360

TheFinalPotato wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:58 am
iansdoor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:01 am
now-new light emission being stuck on same squares even if the wall it's on is gone

what? do you mean like, directional lighting? or

you know, you have to look as well. The light fixtures lights up the original tiles that was ment to light up. now if you take out the wall or solid vision blockers, the light stays the same tiles as before. if you take out the bulb and place it back in, then all the tiles in view of replaced bulb are lit up as they should be with the removal of walls.

It's not something folks notice right away and why would they.

saprasam · Post by **saprasam** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:52 am #698367

these don't really look like the kind of clothes some dude who has to haul crates around would wear
the baggy shorts are missing... no humanity

Post by **Jacquerel** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:12 am #698372

I wonder how many downvotes The Wallening (coming in 2023) is going to have before we merge it (some time in 2023)

Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:14 am

iansdoor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:05 am you know, you have to look as well. The light fixtures lights up the original tiles that was ment to light up. now if you take out the wall or solid vision blockers, the light stays the same tiles as before. if you take out the bulb and place it back in, then all the tiles in view of replaced bulb are lit up as they should be with the removal of walls.

It's not something folks notice right away and why would they.

This is a major bug, why is it not on the issue tracker.
It's also nothing to do with the sprite team this is literally a me problem I caused this (if it is as you describe)

S also also not like a style problem or something this is a technical error in lighting code

Post by **Jacquerel** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:27 am #698375

iansdoor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:01 am
oranges wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:25 am what i'm seeing is a lot of ur mad.
Honestly, that bingo card is too easy. But you do have to admit that there is a big bias in some PRs. "Mayhem in a Bottle from bubblegum is a worthless loot and bleh bleh bleh," I recall you denied that immediately cause it is a good item. I am happy, you kept the bottle.

One kind of funny thing in these discussions is reasonably consistently people treat "the people who open PRs" and "the people who merge PRs" as the same people when this is not the case.

Anyone can open a PR with any change with no pre-approval. The existence of a (for instance) PR removing your favourite item doesn't mean anything about the general attitude of either coders or maintainers.

Then you get down to how most code maintainers don't touch sprite or map PRs which have their own expert groups... so even "people who decode what ends up in the game" is multiple (mostly) separate groups of people.

Just as "players" is a meaningless melange (there's actually a lot of positive comments on this particular PR) "contributors" is a group with no more of a hive mind.

InfiniteGalaxies · Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:35 am

seems too clean for me, i like cargo being the sweatshop department more than futuristic amazon workers, but i stll like them nonetheless

Post by **iansdoor** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:07 am #698385

Jacquerel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:27 am
iansdoor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:01 am
oranges wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:25 am what i'm seeing is a lot of ur mad.
Honestly, that bingo card is too easy. But you do have to admit that there is a big bias in some PRs. "Mayhem in a Bottle from bubblegum is a worthless loot and bleh bleh bleh," I recall you denied that immediately cause it is a good item. I am happy, you kept the bottle.
One kind of funny thing in these discussions is reasonably consistently people treat "the people who open PRs" and "the people who merge PRs" as the same people when this is not the case.

Anyone can open a PR with any change with no pre-approval. The existence of a (for instance) PR removing your favourite item doesn't mean anything about the general attitude of either coders or maintainers.

Then you get down to how most code maintainers don't touch sprite or map PRs which have their own expert groups... so even "people who decode what ends up in the game" is multiple (mostly) separate groups of people.

Just as "players" is a meaningless melange (there's actually a lot of positive comments on this particular PR) "contributors" is a group with no more of a hive mind.

I am not downtrodding spriting. My wonderful leech and many other discarded creations have given a good grounding, to time consuming art. I take arms against speedmerging and generally, not testing whatever in the sandbox that we, you and I play. If you don't agree with my first statement that there is big bias in some PR's, I am not sure what else to say to sway. There was a pretty clear "reason" why that "friendly" spritemainter quit, I assume. Let's be blunt, a mob of people's mixed opinions of what you are doing is overwhelming. Most younger folks don't have thick skin to not tilt, but every comment usually, has some nugget of insight. It depends on the author to ask correct questions of village idiot's reasoning with the condition that it's not a joke. Myself and few others that have to, now watch github and communicate to other players. There is some neat shit that allows big brainstorms and then there is some why.. as well. Subjectively, everyone has a different why moments to merged changes or additions. Hive mind that you refer to, is still the extremes of the curve bell player base as typical player stays away from github, and these cursed forums.

I would interested to hear my 3 year old question asked, if Timbers or Lukas ran a poll to on current players "if they taken interest to ss13 forums or ss13 github, as those are important parts to the community." Whether that answer is just log on once a week, never, daily, maybe only an hour in totality, only for ban appeals and so on. There is plenty of information that isn't known about the "hive mind."

RedBaronFlyer · Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm

Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:47 am
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:07 am constructive criticism doesn't matter because the development leads are openly antagonistic and will make a change just because they think it would be funny to upset people
Or maybe they're antagonistic because a small but very loud fraction of the community loses their minds over every small change regardless of what it is so they've completely tuned out most sources of criticism as most of it is just noise anyway

These are NEARLY* all PRs merged after December 31st, 2022. I limited it strictly to resprites only.
*I might have missed some since some additions had new sprites but were new features (bit runner, coroner, new drinks, etc.) I will update this if anyone points out any issues.
Also they aren't in order, but I'm not going to resort them because I am lazy.

Spoiler:

Litterally an entire department getting a resprite yet it receives positive feedback.
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/77314

The only PRs to receive majority negative feedback (feel free to correct if I'm wrong):

Spoiler:

I'm not denying that sometimes community feedback does result in a positive thing, but there are certainly a lot of instances of "we already preapproved this PR, so get fucked, no toxicity, please :^)."

I fully understand that gameplay balance PRs need to be tested out in real games to see how it works, but a sprite change is a glance to see if it's poopy most of the time. The only difference with it being merged is that the sprite is now not zoomed in. Also, it's super dumb to go, "guys the coders have to be toxic because the players are toxic," when moderators could easily bitchslap whoever goes out of line. A small minority shouldn't be the excuse for everything. Yes, some players are dickheads who will foam at the mouth if anyone dares touch their spessgame, just like how there are some coders so high up their ass that they can check for kidney stones. Most are in the middle on both sides that just love the game and are passionate about it. However, I won't ignore the giant elephant in the room that there are some up the code tower who are actively engaging in this behavior and/or not clamping down on it whenever it arises.

Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:47 amOr maybe they're antagonistic because a small but very loud fraction of the community loses their minds over every small change regardless of what it is so they've completely tuned out most sources of criticism as most of it is just noise anyway

Post by **Jacquerel** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:26 am #698390

iansdoor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:07 am ???

I'll be honest I have very little idea about what this post means or in what way it is related to anything I said

That leech is cute though

Post by **Jacquerel** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:45 am #698392

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:08 am I won't ignore the giant elephant in the room that there are some up the code tower who are actively engaging in this behavior and/or not clamping down on it whenever it arises.

This is what I was talking about.
Here we are talking about a code tower and linking sprite PRs, but sprites have their own tower.

The sprite approval process largely is simply one of being approved by one or more of three people, as maintaining an art direction is their delegated responsibility.

I dont know whether that's the best system but I do know that their job is generally way more subjective than judging code (everyone has a different idea about how things should look) and I'm not going to begrudge them having a vision. Sometimes their art opinion is pretty divergent from the general community, it seems!

Other maintainers can block sprite PRs from being merged just on the basis of not liking them but generally don't, on the basis that we have a guy for that.

RedBaronFlyer · Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm

Jacquerel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:45 am
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:08 am I won't ignore the giant elephant in the room that there are some up the code tower who are actively engaging in this behavior and/or not clamping down on it whenever it arises.
This is what I was talking about.
Here we are talking about a code tower and linking sprite PRs, but sprites have their own tower.

The sprite approval process largely is simply one of being approved by one or more of three people, as maintaining an art direction is their delegated responsibility.

I dont know whether that's the best system but I do know that their job is generally way more subjective than judging code (everyone has a different idea about how things should look) and I'm not going to begrudge them having a vision. Sometimes their art opinion is pretty divergent from the general community, it seems!

Other maintainers can block sprite PRs from being merged just on the basis of not liking them but generally don't, on the basis that we have a guy for that.

That's actually really enlightening, thanks. I've mostly seen coder/maintainer used interchangeably when it comes to player vs. developer so that's why I said it that way. I was aware that coders and spriters were different groups (with some crossover, of course) but could have worded it better on my end.

I linked sprite PRs since this is exclusively a sprite PR.

dirk_mcblade · Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:48 pm

People itt shocked that the most autistic people involved with the most autistic game don't have pleasant personalities

Post by **iansdoor** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:04 pm #698401

Jacquerel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:26 am
iansdoor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:07 am ???
I'll be honest I have very little idea about what this post means or in what way it is related to anything I said

Sure!
Let's break what we both said down. I do hate walls of text.
Topic: Spriting with off-tangent what maintainers do.

"One kind of funny thing in these discussions is reasonably consistently people treat "the people who open PRs" and "the people who merge PRs" as the same people when this is not the case.. -Jacquerel

I take arms against speedmerging and generally, not testing whatever in the sandbox that we, you and I play. -iansdoor

Our first opening statements.

Anyone can open a PR with any change with no pre-approval. The existence of a (for instance) PR removing your favourite item doesn't mean anything about the general attitude of either coders or maintainers.

Then you get down to how most code maintainers don't touch sprite or map PRs which have their own expert groups... so even "people who decode what ends up in the game" is multiple (mostly) separate groups of people. -Jacquerel

There was a pretty clear "reason" why that "friendly" spritemainter quit, I assume. -iansdoor

Lets go with that basic example of sprite. The Mosin, at the moment, is the soul to gun cargo after WT-500, was phased out by game balance issues. Who knows what WT was replaced with, as it wasn't anything to note. General attitude from codebase, that they greenlight it cause of how good the new model looks. But, we both know that cheap, unreliable gun should look the part. Paxilmaniac did kickass job, but that base mosin look too good for the part. I would argue that it should morph into that model via cleaning kit, to make reliable.

Right back to the points, you are assuming alot from hive minded players, such as myself, that generally don't know those groups. We, players are personally aware of (I honestly, couldn't recall the name of spirtemaintainer that supported axolo, as they were so insignificant to the community, yet they had such an important role) when there is just extra-friendly treatment of speedmerging and axolo gloating over others. Something about colored title.

Just as "players" is a meaningless melange (there's actually a lot of positive comments on this particular PR) "contributors" is a group with no more of a hive mind. -Jacquerel

Let's be blunt, a mob of people's mixed opinions of what you are doing is overwhelming. Most younger folks don't have thick skin to not tilt, but every comment usually, has some nugget of insight. It depends on the author to ask correct questions of village idiot's reasoning with the condition that it's not a joke. It depends on the author to ask correct questions of village idiot's reasoning with the condition that it's not a joke. -iansdoor

This is mostly where my reply comes from. You called folks, a mixed salad. I agree with that! Now, I don't want to know if you are the type of person to picks off radish, spring onions, arugula, carrots, and maybe tomatoes..., in order to enjoy a lettuce bowl? Each component has a certain value to the balance. When I say "depends on the author to ask correct questions of village idiot's reasoning with the condition that it's not a joke," clearly you haven't ran into that issue why a good portion of folks doesn't like your bowl of lettuce. That would be my assumption and I am making an ass out of myself as I don't know your history as you don't know mine. If you were very keen on unseeing the coder bias, look at any of pAI changes, read the comments first and play a pAI a few times on lrp. We might scratch that idea, that takes time.

Myself and few others that have to, now watch github and communicate to other players. There is some neat shit that allows big brainstorms and then there is some why.. as well. Subjectively, everyone has a different why moments to merged changes or additions. Hive mind that you refer to, is still the extremes of the curve bell player base as typical player stays away from github, and these cursed forums. -iansdoor

Statement from myself to you, I don't know if you know, that mothblocks has told TG players repeatedly to watch github and to this day, generally players don't. So if you were wondering why there is a blob of idiots, its cause it's all word of mouth. Anyone that looks or replies to forums, github and whatever are the crazies on the bell curve. Folks stay away from forum for a reason, but the forums have all the rules, which why there is so many rule breaks with old players and new players.. This just feeds back into my question.

I would interested to hear my 3 year old question asked, if Timbers or Lukas ran a poll to on current players "if they taken interest to ss13 forums or ss13 github, as those are important parts to the community." Whether that answer is just log on once a week, never, daily, maybe only an hour in totality, only for ban appeals and so on. There is plenty of information that isn't known about the "hive mind." -iansdoor

I recall a week ago, MSO saying that "there was 3k unique players monthly on TG" to reply of "woes of TG dying, since he took it off server list.".
Oh boy, if we do a check list on how unique names on forums or github post over a short time period. I would say I see the same ~75 idiots, including iandsoor and Ryusenshu, that really like ss13 sandbox. How many lost ingredients or rather valued comments are thrown out, is that hard to read or say? I won't reply after this one.

Post by **Fikou** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:22 pm #698403

can you add that leech to the game

dirk_mcblade · Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:31 pm

Why is tg off the servers list?

Post by **iansdoor** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:33 pm #698408

Fikou wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:22 pm can you add that leech to the game

Oh, you want that leech?! I got a few other bad boys. My leech is so cute. A couple of bears and jungle life stuff.
Totally benefit my Mapping selection.

Post by **Vekter** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:30 pm #698440

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:08 am :words:

I'm having trouble wording this, but basically everything in your post makes sense until you spent like an hour photoshopping a stupid Spongebob edit because... reasons? I don't know, it doesn't help your point, it just makes you look like an asshole.

Like everything else in the post is fine, it makes sense and you're right, I'm just inclined to ignore it because you decided to be a cock about it.

RedBaronFlyer · Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:43 pm

Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:30 pm
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:08 am :words:
I'm having trouble wording this, but basically everything in your post makes sense until you spent like an hour photoshopping a stupid Spongebob edit because... reasons? I don't know, it doesn't help your point, it just makes you look like an asshole.

I was pointing out a bunch of other resprite PRs that were well received.

Post by **Vekter** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:44 pm #698443

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:43 pm
Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:30 pm
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:08 am :words:
I'm having trouble wording this, but basically everything in your post makes sense until you spent like an hour photoshopping a stupid Spongebob edit because... reasons? I don't know, it doesn't help your point, it just makes you look like an asshole.
I was pointing out a bunch of other resprite PRs that were well received.

You can do that without being an asshole about it.

I'm not unreasonable; I can have my mind changed and I can admit when I was wrong, but doing shit like drafting a meme edit in response to what I said just makes me want to ignore what you have to say.

Super Aggro Crag · Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:55 pm

Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:44 pm
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:43 pm
Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:30 pm
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:08 am :words:
I'm having trouble wording this, but basically everything in your post makes sense until you spent like an hour photoshopping a stupid Spongebob edit because... reasons? I don't know, it doesn't help your point, it just makes you look like an asshole.
I was pointing out a bunch of other resprite PRs that were well received.
You can do that without being an asshole about it.

I'm not unreasonable; I can have my mind changed and I can admit when I was wrong, but doing shit like drafting a meme edit in response to what I said just makes me want to ignore what you have to say.

Can you?

Post by **Vekter** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:05 pm #698450

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:55 pm Can you?

Yes.

Super Aggro Crag · Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:50 pm

Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:05 pm
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:55 pm Can you?
Yes.

Really?

Post by **Vekter** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:13 pm #698472

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:50 pm
Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:05 pm
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:55 pm Can you?
Yes.
Really?

I'm a lot better at it than you are.

TheLoLSwat · Post by **TheLoLSwat** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:18 pm #698474

oranges wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:25 am what i'm seeing is a lot of ur mad.

dont work yourself into a shoot, brother

BrolyButterfingers · Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:41 pm

Jacquerel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:27 am
iansdoor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:01 am
oranges wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:25 am what i'm seeing is a lot of ur mad.

Just as "players" is a meaningless melange (there's actually a lot of positive comments on this particular PR) "contributors" is a group with no more of a hive mind.

This is entirely untrue; just the filter of being invested enough in a game to submit code for it makes it a significantly more-aligned and more homogenous group in terms of knowledge/attitude/investment.

This is some pretty basic (if loose) 90/9/1 rule of participation shit: they're part of the 9, not the 90. Even moreso because the coder <-> player relationship on /tg/ is so hostile that their attitude acts as an additional filter and reduction on people willing to contribute, because many people will look at coder <-> player relationship as it is now and immediately go "Fuck that, I'm not doing shit".

Post by **Jacquerel** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:55 pm #698485

This is yet another example of a layman not understanding the dynamics at all.
Coders are players, it's maintainers that don't play the game.
If coders didn't play how would they reflexively nerf whatever just killed them?

Post by **oranges** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:30 pm #698490

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:31 pm Why is tg off the servers list?

they automatically delist at certain population counts

Super Aggro Crag · Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:40 pm

Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:13 pm
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:50 pm
Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:05 pm
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:55 pm Can you?
Yes.
Really?
I'm a lot better at it than you are.

Talk is cheap.

Post by **Cobby** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:26 pm #698500

can we go back to whining about crate sprites i still dont like them

RedBaronFlyer · Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:34 pm

Cobby wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:26 pm can we go back to whining about crate sprites i still dont like them

They still look quite bad, yeah.

RedBaronFlyer · Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/77456

Not gonna lie I was hoping this resprite had died but it’s back.

Bepis · Post by **Bepis** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:49 pm #699355

Unfortunate

Nabski · Post by **Nabski** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 2:04 pm #699360

Cobby wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:26 pm can we go back to whining about crate sprites i still dont like them

True. Fire alarms and lights being black and white are also shit.

Post by **TheRex9001** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 2:16 pm #699361

The amount of change this game goes through is fucking insane, sprites change every few months and few things stay untouched. I think this spessmen 2.0 will go through every department and when its done the game will look different. Personally I kinda think the sprites look a bit out of place but so do a ton of sprites.

RedBaronFlyer · Mon Aug 14, 2023 2:30 pm

Nabski wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 2:04 pm
Cobby wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:26 pm can we go back to whining about crate sprites i still dont like them
True. Fire alarms and lights being black and white are also shit.

It's why I think sometimes the spritetainers just need to say "no" to some PRs. I know it doesn't work this way, but it honestly feels like every single resprite gets greenlit. Like, I'm sorry, but the PR that made all the lights black and made the floor lights square (and not even looking like they're in the floor like the old floor lights) look horrible and should have been shot down. I think the wall light fixture resprite was good, but I am still baffled why the light bulbs and tubes are black now. It is super fucking annoying to try and find the light fixtures in the dark now because the bulbs ARE BLACK. Meanwhile, you could faintly see the yellow of broken bulbs in light fixtures in the dark.

It feels like a Hazmat Headcase Example where something was obviously a joke, and the submitter thought it'd be shot down, but it was still added anyways.

TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 2:16 pm The amount of change this game goes through is fucking insane, sprites change every few months and few things stay untouched. I think this spessmen 2.0 will go through every department and when its done the game will look different. Personally I kinda think the sprites look a bit out of place but so do a ton of sprites.

It's mostly just the same sprites being changed over and over again. I swear we're on our fourth or fifth drink resprite this year. I'm all for cargo getting a sprite update but this ain't it. I feel like the further a resprite goes away from the original sprite, the better the reasoning needs to be for changing it.

Like, if I made a sprite PR to make engineering now wear olive jumpsuits, I'd need a very good reason instead of just saying "I like this one better"

axietheaxolotl wrote:Why It's Good For The Game
shruggers idk, i think it looks good. cargo is now much more visually distinct, and has a better vision to it. quatermaster receiving a new look that makes him stand out is a good thing too, imo.

Capsandi · Post by **Capsandi** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 2:37 pm #699365

I think the new floodlights look large but much better than the original. Crates and fire alarms should have been put off until wallening

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RedBaronFlyer · Mon Aug 14, 2023 2:38 pm

Capsandi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 2:37 pm I think the new floodlights look large but much better than the original. Crates and fire alarms should have been put off until wallening
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Sorry, I meant floor lights and not floodlights. Autocorrect messed it up.

I understand that some of the new sprites will (probably) look better with the wallening PR but I feel like it's now becoming a crutch.

If it's for the wallening, then put it in the same PR as wallening, or merge the resprite PR at the same time that the wallening goes through.

Fully expecting a "yeah that's not how that works" but eh. I get that the Wallening is a big project.

Capsandi · Post by **Capsandi** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 2:42 pm #699367

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 2:38 pm
Capsandi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 2:37 pm I think the new floodlights look large but much better than the original. Crates and fire alarms should have been put off until wallening
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Sorry, I meant floor lights and not floodlights. Autocorrect messed it up.

Thats crazy cause I also meant floor lights and not floodlights

dirk_mcblade · Mon Aug 14, 2023 2:51 pm

Where's the mosin thread I have bubba'd mosins to compare those sprites to.