Please stop doing "RP changelogs"

Likteer · Post by **Likteer** » Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:02 pm #698269

Even if someday, one of these will turn out to be funny.

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I want to read what was changed at a quick glance.

Post by **Misdoubtful** » Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:15 pm #698271

Its pretty straightforward to me.

The PR states that cryo chambers would now be dead in the water, aka: gone.

Post by **Jacquerel** » Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:16 pm #698272

conrad · Post by **conrad** » Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:28 pm #698274

Player doesn't like reading in an RPG.

Tragic.

Also Jacquerel remains my favourite maintainer goddamn.

Post by **dendydoom** » Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:47 pm #698277

i now require a conceptual sci-fi short story for every single change.

Likteer · Post by **Likteer** » Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:26 pm #698279

conrad wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:28 pm Player doesn't like reading in an RPG.

Please don't twist what I've said.

saprasam · Post by **saprasam** » Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:42 pm #698280

conrad wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:28 pm Player doesn't like reading in an RPG.

wanting concise & straight to the point changelogs =/= not wanting to read in the text-based game

Capsandi · Post by **Capsandi** » Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:46 pm #698282

conrad · Post by **conrad** » Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:22 pm #698286

saprasam wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:42 pm wanting concise & straight to the point changelogs =/= not wanting to read in the text-based game

Likteer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:26 pm Please don't twist what I've said.

It was a joke damnit here's a lamp so you lighten the fuck up

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Post by **Fikou** » Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:29 pm #698289

fuck off

Lacran · Post by **Lacran** » Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:37 pm #698294

I actually agree here, keep it short and sweet.

Capsandi · Post by **Capsandi** » Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:38 pm #698295

But if we remove that all of the digg contributors will stop contributing

Post by **NoxVS** » Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:41 pm #698296

TheLoLSwat · Post by **TheLoLSwat** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:43 am #698309

even if it can be cringe sometimes, you might as well just let them have their couple-or-so lines of RP changelog since they put God knows how much time into the PR for us to enjoy

kinnebian · Post by **kinnebian** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:32 am #698316

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:43 am even if it can be cringe sometimes, you might as well just let them have their couple-or-so lines of RP changelog since they put God knows how much time into the PR for us to enjoy

Super Aggro Crag · Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:35 am

why the fuck are they removing cryo tubes

zergking · Post by **zergking** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:12 am #698324

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:35 am why the fuck are they removing cryo tubes

To make you angry!
But I think it's just an example, I can't find a PR with it

Super Aggro Crag · Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:17 am

Ok cuz it made me angry

c4g · Post by **c4g** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:21 am #698352

zergking wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:12 am
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:35 am why the fuck are they removing cryo tubes
To make you angry!
But I think it's just an example, I can't find a PR with it

it was a real PR earlier today but everyone got so mad in the comments they closed it

Post by **iansdoor** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:37 am #698364

My issue with PR is that it removes to chemicals that have a particular PH, which is 14, the only natural 14. Is Clonexadone used in other servers, yes. TG, not so much as any guns that deal genetic damage is locked behind 140 minutes of research time gate. Pyro doesn't have to be used in cryotube thankfully. Cryoxdone also doesn't have to be used in cryotubes either, the conditions are body temp cold and person is asleep. When sleeping and a shower does the same work as cryotube is something.

Post by **Striders13** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:38 am #698365

most players and admins can't read, please be considerate.

Itseasytosee2me · Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:47 am

yeah they are kinda dumb

Not-Dorsidarf · Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:58 pm

RP changelogs are funny occasionally but should be really short.

"All cryotubes have been removed from NT stations pending a safety evalutation" works fine because it doesnt bury the lead on the thing it's supposed to be saying.

That said, i dont always follow my own advice here.

massa · Post by **massa** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:04 pm #698449

this is so profoundly lazy

Chadley · Post by **Chadley** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:06 pm #699450

No RP in players-club, no RP in github, no RP in discord.

What's next? No RP in Sigil?

You guys are lame.

Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:01 am

Some sad fucks in the thread tonight. Time to keep writing RP changelogs for funsies.

Post by **Tegun** » Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:48 am #699538

Sometimes these work, in this particular case "until further notice" makes it sound like something's disabled for a bug rather than removed for good. Sad reality is you usually need to go to github and check there, and even PRs aren't always clear about what has actually changed and how.

Kendrickorium · Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:10 pm

wtf i love flavor text literally anywhere

put it in the god damn rules section for /tg/

Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:54 pm

Do not read the changelog for March 29, 2016.

datorangebottle · Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:29 am

Fikou wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:29 pmfuck off

This.
I greatly enjoy reading about how some intern tripped over a pebble and knocked over an entire warehouse of space cola, leading to a massive space cola shortage and the removal of the drink from on-station vendors.

Post by **MrStonedOne** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:15 am #700027

Ok seriously somebody should just reboot hippiestation so all you norp fucks can go back.

Imitates-The-Lizards · Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:34 am

MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:15 am Ok seriously somebody should just reboot hippiestation so all you norp fucks can go back.

Based

Not-Dorsidarf · Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:49 am

Not sure where the hostility circlejerk for people who want the codebase changelogs to primarily be clear and concise descriptions of the changes made to the game is coming from.

Its pretty funny to word ooc balancing changes as if its some kind of ic bureaucratic reshuffling but it can be annoying if there are two full lines of fluff and no mention of multiple changes in the PR.

Imitates-The-Lizards · Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:53 am

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:49 am Not sure where the hostility circlejerk for people who want the codebase changelogs to primarily be clear and concise descriptions of the changes made to the game is coming from.

Its pretty funny to word ooc balancing changes as if its some kind of ic bureaucratic reshuffling but it can be annoying if there are two full lines of fluff and no mention of multiple changes in the PR.

Because it honestly just comes across as being "fun hating".

You know, like people who constantly turn off the rollerdome music machine, or people who want to remove felinids. I put people who are being salty about RP changelogs in the same group mentally.

Thu Aug 17, 2023 10:31 am

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:49 am Not sure where the hostility circlejerk for people who want the codebase changelogs to primarily be clear and concise descriptions of the changes made to the game is coming from.

Most changelogs don't really say much even if they're largely just stating what the PR did. They're shorthands for what a PR does. If someone cares about the specifics, they should seek out the PR on the github or come to find out the nature of the change in-game. There are even some code changes that do not find their way into the changelog simply because it wouldn't and shouldn't matter to players that the change was made, such as largely development side refactors with no player-facing impact.

If the means of conveying this information is in a small narrative, that's still an effective shorthand if it conveys the relevant information. The only point where saying everything bluntly and openly matters is when it is the PR body itself, where all changes need to be highlighted and explained clearly.

datorangebottle · Thu Aug 17, 2023 7:09 pm

Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:53 am
Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:49 am Not sure where the hostility circlejerk for people who want the codebase changelogs to primarily be clear and concise descriptions of the changes made to the game is coming from.

Its pretty funny to word ooc balancing changes as if its some kind of ic bureaucratic reshuffling but it can be annoying if there are two full lines of fluff and no mention of multiple changes in the PR.
Because it honestly just comes across as being "fun hating".

You know, like people who constantly turn off the rollerdome music machine, or people who want to remove felinids. I put people who are being salty about RP changelogs in the same group mentally.

I mean, I hate the rollerdome music machine because people always pick the same song and it makes me stand/rest repeatedly, and I don't see the point of keeping felinids around if coders are just going to keep bullying them by giving them things other people can do to annoy them.
But I think codebase changes having an IC explanation is nice for being able to talk about it IC, and they're usually pretty amusing.

Post by **Striders13** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:08 pm #700180

datorangebottle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 7:09 pm I mean, I hate the rollerdome music machine because people always pick the same song and it makes me stand/rest repeatedly, and I don't see the point of keeping felinids around if coders are just going to keep bullying them by giving them things other people can do to annoy them.
But I think codebase changes having an IC explanation is nice for being able to talk about it IC, and they're usually pretty amusing.

pro tip: disabling instruments in sound prefs prevents you from dancing

datorangebottle · Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm

Striders13 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:08 pm pro tip: disabling instruments in sound prefs prevents you from dancing

Yeah, but I like the rest of the instruments, I just don't like it when someone's fighting over playing Caramelldansen and someone else wants to turn it off, and they're both too stubborn to stop fighting. So I just take the escape pods or stay on the station.