HEADMIN ELECTION 18 PEANUT:

[kinnebian]

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looks like the new election is starting
are you running?
im running
who else is running?
are you excited for anyone in particular
have you already decided who you want to vote for?

[Tegun]

I liked the video at the end. The theme not so much.

I'm concerned about rule 6 regarding my platform.

[dendydoom]

i'm not running. i'm in a good place with my relationship with the game and the current commitment i have to it. i get to admin and play. it's good. a few years ago when i was a depressed shut-in that never went outside, i absolutely would've jumped at the chance. but i'm just too fuckin busy now. in 4 years when i'm out of grad school maybe you'll see my dipshit name on the ballot.

i never know who i'm gonna vote for. i usually wait to see each person's platform and how they respond to questions. there aren't many bad choices, though. i think most people who have a good shot are decent members of the community. people pissed their pants at kieth winning last time, and the responsibility of the role that he was handed has been managed very well by him and he has done very good things with it.

i'm gonna miss this term, though. it's been very good. probably my favourite so far in the time i've been here.

cute doggies

[Fikou]

i'm running. i'm in a bad place with my relationship with the game and the current commitment i have to it. i get to admin and NOT play. it's shit. today when i was a depressed shut-in that never went outside, i absolutely would've jumped at the chance. and i'm not busy now. in 4 years when i'm out of elementary school maybe you won't see my dipshit name on the ballot.

i know who i'm gonna vote for, ekaterina. though, i usually wait to see each person's platform to shit on them absolutely. there are many bad choices, though. i think most people who have a good shot are the worst members of the community who win the popularity contest. people pissed their pants at kieth winning last time, and the responsibility of the role that he was handed has been managed terribly by him and he has done very bad things with it.

i'm not gonna miss this term, though. it's been terrible. probably my least favourite so far in the time i've been here.

terrible doggies

[iwishforducks]

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[kieth4]

holy fuck get me out of here

[oranges]

I liked the video at the end. The theme not so much.

I'm concerned about rule 6 regarding my platform.

you're intending to bribe people?

[Timberpoes]

To anyone running this time around: Good luck. It's like Defense Against the Dark Arts these days.

I'm not running this time around.

I'm not a status quo headmin. I'm running out of things that piss me off and I want to change. If there's nothing I want to change, no point running.

Better to leave the playing field open to others, maybe they have stuff they want to change that'll make us even more awesome.

[Indie-ana Jones]

Are we going to have any player candidates this time?

[conrad]

I wanna run just to say hi to everyone during the debate and remind people to hydrate.

[kinnebian]

Good luck. It's like Defense Against the Dark Arts these days.

Could you elaborate a bit? I'm not sure what this means

[oranges]

Good luck. It's like Defense Against the Dark Arts these days.

Could you elaborate a bit? I'm not sure what this means

everyone who signs up for the job dies.. horribly.

[sinfulbliss]

you know what I find kind of wild

howcome 3/4 of the servers are LRP but there usually ends up being 2/3 MRP headmins and one (at best) LRP headmin?

the hostvote is almost always from manuel, the adminvote often ends up being from manuel too (i assume because manny admins make up a disproportionate amounts of total admins), and the playervote is all that’s left to elect an LRP admin (although often fails because of the strong manny playerbase rallying together)

[RedBaronFlyer]

you know what I find kind of wild

howcome 3/4 of the servers are LRP but there usually ends up being 2/3 MRP headmins and one (at best) LRP headmin?

the hostvote is almost always from manuel, the adminvote often ends up being from manuel too (i assume because manny admins make up a disproportionate amounts of total admins), and the playervote is all that’s left to elect an LRP admin (although often fails because of the strong manny playerbase rallying together)

Clearly this is because the voting booths close early on the LRP servers.

[Super Aggro Crag]

im going to vote for my friends and anyone who adds snailiens to ss13

[kinnebian]

(i assume because manny admins make up a disproportionate amounts of total admins)

this got me thinking, so i asked someone and got this rough count

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here it is in pie chart forum:

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the difference isnt that disparaging, although once campbellmins are ignored it becomes:

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i dont have anything insightful to add to this pie chart i just thought it was a good conversation starter

keep in mind this isnt very accurate because the roles are self assigned and not mandatory to take

[oranges]

you know what I find kind of wild

howcome 3/4 of the servers are LRP but there usually ends up being 2/3 MRP headmins and one (at best) LRP headmin?

the hostvote is almost always from manuel, the adminvote often ends up being from manuel too (i assume because manny admins make up a disproportionate amounts of total admins), and the playervote is all that’s left to elect an LRP admin (although often fails because of the strong manny playerbase rallying together)

you answered your own question.

[conrad]

the hostvote is almost always from manuel

This oughta be fun this time around since hugs has been missing for half the term, kieth probably wants a player host vote and timber's decision depends on the phase of the moon.

[Sightld2]

This feels like it came so quick. I enjoyed Miskiethberpoes4.

[Sightld2]

and timber's decision depends on the phase of the moon.

Highly untrue, everyone knows he has a spinner wheel with the names of all the admins and throws a dart.

[conrad]

and timber's decision depends on the phase of the moon.

Highly untrue, everyone knows he has a spinner wheel with the names of all the admins and throws a dart.

I was talking about the gravitational pull of the moon regarding the movement of said wheel as to not leak headmin channels.

(no channels were leaked this is a joke and I feel that if I don't put this disclaimer some idiot is gonna think it's serious)

[RedBaronFlyer]

(i assume because manny admins make up a disproportionate amounts of total admins)

this got me thinking, so i asked someone and got this rough count

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here it is in pie chart forum:

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the difference isnt that disparaging, although once campbellmins are ignored it becomes:

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i dont have anything insightful to add to this pie chart i just thought it was a good conversation starter

keep in mind this isnt very accurate because the roles are self assigned and not mandatory to take

Wouldn't it be pretty fair to lump the Campbell admins in with Manuel, since I highly doubt anyone is going to say that they primarily admin on Campbell with a straight face? Just like how most of the Bagil admins probably admin Sybil a majority of the time if I were to hazard a guess?

I could be wrong, though.

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LItterally all LRP has to do to get a LRP headmin is to vote for them. If MRP is somehow winning every time that points to either

A. The MRP admins run better headmin campaigns.
B. There are so many LRP admin candidates running that they split the vote among each other and unintentionally cause the MRP candidates to win since there are fewer of them running.
C. LRP players aren't voting for whatever reason.
D. LRP players are voting for MRP admin headmin candidates.
E. It's totally rigged, and it's a grand conspiracy to force LRP to become like MRP and have forced felinid ERP in the dorms and have Livrah be forced to make their content on Manuel.

[TheFinalPotato]

campbellmin is a meme

[Sightld2]

This is why he made a separate graph excluding them

[Timberpoes]

I'll give goof his best shot yet. Let's give the host vote to the players and give them 2 choices this election.

[RedBaronFlyer]

This is why he made a separate graph excluding them

I meant that, if I were to hazard a guess, most of the listed Campbell admins are actually just Manuel admins trying to be funny. Therefore the Manuel admin count would probably be closer to 39. I seriously doubt there are SIXTEEN admins who primarily admin Campbell.

Unless I'm very stupid and those roles permit having multiple admin roles, so an admin could have both the Manuel and Sybil admin tags for instance.

[oranges]

using the discor roles for analysis is surface deep, you actually need to look at what admins connect where.

I suspect hte statistics are rahter more unhealthy when reviewd that way.

[kinnebian]

This is why he made a separate graph excluding them

I meant that, if I were to hazard a guess, most of the listed Campbell admins are actually just Manuel admins trying to be funny. Therefore the Manuel admin count would probably be closer to 39. I seriously doubt there are SIXTEEN admins who primarily admin Campbell.

Unless I'm very stupid and those roles permit having multiple admin roles, so an admin could have both the Manuel and Sybil admin tags for instance.

you can have multiple of the roles

[scamoppi]

CAMPBELL SWEEP 2023
WE'RE GONNA GET THREE CAMPBELLMINS THIS YEAR AND THEN THEY'LL UPDATE THE CONFIG SO THAT EVERY SERVER REDIRECTS YOU TO CAMPBELL

[Striders13]

hope the elections are interesting. Two player votes will definitely make them interesting.

[kinnebian]

CAMPBELL SWEEP 2023
WE'RE GONNA GET THREE CAMPBELLMINS THIS YEAR AND THEN THEY'LL UPDATE THE CONFIG SO THAT EVERY SERVER REDIRECTS YOU TO CAMPBELL

3 msos in a trenchcoat

[RedBaronFlyer]

CAMPBELL SWEEP 2023
WE'RE GONNA GET THREE CAMPBELLMINS THIS YEAR AND THEN THEY'LL UPDATE THE CONFIG SO THAT EVERY SERVER REDIRECTS YOU TO CAMPBELL

They'll do what MSO couldn't and get everyone to play on Campbell. LRP, MRP, Sybil, Basil, Terry, Manuel, it matters not. All will be under the glorious banner of Campbell.

[EmpressMaia]

OH YES BABY GOOFBALL IS COMING BACK HMMM AAAH YES TIME TO RUSH THE FORUMS WITH MY ARMY OF BOTS AND VOTE GOOF "GOOFBALLGOOFBALLGOOFBALLGOOFBALL" I SPOUT TO THE OOC ALL THE WHILE SPAMMING TIMBERPOES IN OOC SO I CAN GET MY GOOFBALL SOONER. TIMBERBOES BLOCKS ME AS I THROW SLURS AT HIM IN DMS. HMMM YES MY GOOFBALL MY BELOVED GOOFBALL YES PLEASE! takes GOOFBALLsniffs GOOFBAALL deeply tears fall from my eyes "finnaly i have you by my side. Never again shall i have to see MSO" I RUB THE VOTE TIGHTLY AGAINST THE GOOFBALL AS IT FINALLY WINS IN. I LOG ONTO THE FORUMS KNOWING THAT I WILL LOSE AND MELBERT WILL WIN BUT IT WAS WORTH I

[sinfulbliss]

(i assume because manny admins make up a disproportionate amounts of total admins)

this got me thinking, so i asked someone and got this rough count

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here it is in pie chart forum:

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the difference isnt that disparaging, although once campbellmins are ignored it becomes:

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i dont have anything insightful to add to this pie chart i just thought it was a good conversation starter

keep in mind this isnt very accurate because the roles are self assigned and not mandatory to take

LItterally all LRP has to do to get a LRP headmin is to vote for them. If MRP is somehow winning every time that points to either

A. The MRP admins run better headmin campaigns.
B. There are so many LRP admin candidates running that they split the vote among each other and unintentionally cause the MRP candidates to win since there are fewer of them running.
C. LRP players aren't voting for whatever reason.
D. LRP players are voting for MRP admin headmin candidates.
E. It's totally rigged, and it's a grand conspiracy to force LRP to become like MRP and have forced felinid ERP in the dorms and have Livrah be forced to make their content on Manuel.

It’s C. Manuel is a very close-knit server and a much greater proportion of their playerbase is active in the Manuel discord, compared to a much smaller amount of LRP players that are active on the TG discord. Activity in community circles is what exposes people to candidates and makes them vote.

Looking at Kinneb’s graph - when you get rid of Campbell (that is a meme role), and assume this is representative (eh), it’s around 62% manuel admins and 38% LRP admins that comprise the adminteam — which is a STAGGERING disparity, because there are over TWICE as many LRP players as there are MRP players.

Obviously Manny players are easier to recruit admins from which explains the disparity. But that’s a massive issue because now you get the adminvote being heavily tilted towards MRP candidates, who in turn decide the hostvote, etc.

Honestly I think we’d be better off with a system that just chose an MRP headmin, to run MRP policy and Manuel appeals, and then two LRP headmins that handled everything else. It just makes more sense especially since 95% of candidates are either like “LRP: idk looks good” or “MRP: idk looks good” because like everyone they’re either one or the other.

With 2/3+ headmins always being MRP it’s inevitable for TG to eventually transition, through its policies and culture, into a primarily MRP-style server, we’ve already seen a slow progression through things like rule 12 and the first ever exceptions to antag freedoms last term. I don’t like the fact the entire playerbase needs to rally and campaign hard to get a single LRP representative in when that’s over 66% of our playerbase.

[Vekter]

Only reason I would run would be to possibly skunk a Goof win via meme votes.

I already have too much shit going on IRL and I fear a headmin term would just burn me out. I'm fine being the power behind the throne.

I want to see who's running before endorsing anyone but assuming Rave is running I'll probably just divert anyone who wants me as headmin to them.

[Turbonerd]

Goof 2024!

[Vekter]

Goof 2024!

I've got three major concerns about Goof winning a term:

1) His anger issues.
2) His tendency to make snap decisions based on emotions (ie "goof PRs" where he dies to something in a slightly unfair way and makes a PR to remove it shortly after).
3) His tendency to start and then drop projects after a short period. I'm a little worried he'll get in, last a few months, then leave when he gets bored.

To be clear, none of this is an insult - I don't think Goof is a bad person or has any poor intentions for the server, but I don't think he'd be a healthy choice for headmin.

[dendydoom]

i'm running. i'm in a bad place with my relationship with the game and the current commitment i have to it. i get to admin and NOT play. it's shit. today when i was a depressed shut-in that never went outside, i absolutely would've jumped at the chance. and i'm not busy now. in 4 years when i'm out of elementary school maybe you won't see my dipshit name on the ballot.

i know who i'm gonna vote for, ekaterina. though, i usually wait to see each person's platform to shit on them absolutely. there are many bad choices, though. i think most people who have a good shot are the worst members of the community who win the popularity contest. people pissed their pants at kieth winning last time, and the responsibility of the role that he was handed has been managed terribly by him and he has done very bad things with it.

i'm not gonna miss this term, though. it's been terrible. probably my least favourite so far in the time i've been here.

terrible doggies

fikou

[Capsandi]

I voted for timber just for the goof host vote, so i better hear that keeth or doubt blocked it or i am going to start a thread titled "I regret voting for timberpros" or something like that.

Also the thread theme is good for once. Congratz.

[Misdoubtful]

I'm voting for:

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You

[Justice12354]

timber's decision depends on the phase of the moon.

Everyone knows timber's decision is goofball regardless of the phase of the moon

[Lacran]

words

MRP candidates do have certain advantages, but its not manuel's responsibility to have a less tight-knit server or hire less decent admins.

LRP likes being chaotic and conflicting, but that also means that its incredibly hard to represent LRP, or for LRP candidates to have a platform with enough players to agree with it. I also think there's probably a less loyal body of dedicated LRP players that are community driven.

I don't think the solution is to cap the number of MRP representatives to ensure LRP always has a majority, its mainly up to LRP candidates to actually earn that majority from their own community.

its definitely not fair to stop LRP admins and players from picking MRP candidates if they genuinely prefer them too.

[kinnebian]

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(i assume because manny admins make up a disproportionate amounts of total admins)

this got me thinking, so i asked someone and got this rough count

► Show Spoiler

here it is in pie chart forum:

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the difference isnt that disparaging, although once campbellmins are ignored it becomes:

► Show Spoiler

i dont have anything insightful to add to this pie chart i just thought it was a good conversation starter

keep in mind this isnt very accurate because the roles are self assigned and not mandatory to take

LItterally all LRP has to do to get a LRP headmin is to vote for them. If MRP is somehow winning every time that points to either

A. The MRP admins run better headmin campaigns.
B. There are so many LRP admin candidates running that they split the vote among each other and unintentionally cause the MRP candidates to win since there are fewer of them running.
C. LRP players aren't voting for whatever reason.
D. LRP players are voting for MRP admin headmin candidates.
E. It's totally rigged, and it's a grand conspiracy to force LRP to become like MRP and have forced felinid ERP in the dorms and have Livrah be forced to make their content on Manuel.

It’s C. Manuel is a very close-knit server and a much greater proportion of their playerbase is active in the Manuel discord, compared to a much smaller amount of LRP players that are active on the TG discord. Activity in community circles is what exposes people to candidates and makes them vote.

Looking at Kinneb’s graph - when you get rid of Campbell (that is a meme role), and assume this is representative (eh), it’s around 62% manuel admins and 38% LRP admins that comprise the adminteam — which is a STAGGERING disparity, because there are over TWICE as many LRP players as there are MRP players.

Obviously Manny players are easier to recruit admins from which explains the disparity. But that’s a massive issue because now you get the adminvote being heavily tilted towards MRP candidates, who in turn decide the hostvote, etc.

Honestly I think we’d be better off with a system that just chose an MRP headmin, to run MRP policy and Manuel appeals, and then two LRP headmins that handled everything else. It just makes more sense especially since 95% of candidates are either like “LRP: idk looks good” or “MRP: idk looks good” because like everyone they’re either one or the other.

With 2/3+ headmins always being MRP it’s inevitable for TG to eventually transition, through its policies and culture, into a primarily MRP-style server, we’ve already seen a slow progression through things like rule 12 and the first ever exceptions to antag freedoms last term. I don’t like the fact the entire playerbase needs to rally and campaign hard to get a single LRP representative in when that’s over 66% of our playerbase.

sinful if you looked at the seperate graph i made and posted that excluded campbellmins it is not 62%

[sinfulbliss]

words

MRP candidates do have certain advantages, but its not manuel's responsibility to have a less tight-knit server or hire less decent admins.

It's the community's responsibility to make sure the headmins adequately represent the community, admins and players alike. If 66% of the community prefer an LRP experience, but headmins always end up majority MRP, then TG is being forcibly shaped away from what the majority want, by a minority of players. That's not a good thing I think

sinful if you looked at the seperate graph i made and posted that excluded campbellmins it is not 62%

(Bagilmin+Sybilmin+Terrymin)/(All admins [with roles]) = 37/60 = 61.666% ≈ 62% LRP admins
(campbell excluded)

E: oh it was flipped. there's still a discrepancy though

[kinnebian]

E: oh it was flipped. there's still a discrepancy though

[Archie700]

Words

Be the change you want to see, you should run

[dendydoom]

smh the roleplayers are ruining the game once again

let's make the process less democratic to stop them

[Lacran]

words

MRP candidates do have certain advantages, but its not manuel's responsibility to have a less tight-knit server or hire less decent admins.

It's the community's responsibility to make sure the headmins adequately represent the community, admins and players alike. If 66% of the community prefer an LRP experience, but headmins always end up majority MRP, then TG is being forcibly shaped away from what the majority want, by a minority of players. That's not a good thing I think

But you are ignoring the fact that the candidates chosen are being chosen based on their merits. The host or headmins can be majority LRP aligned and still pick a MRP candidate, the majority of the admins are LRP, and an MRP candidate was chosen.

The majority belonging to LRP does not mean they MUST vote for LRP candidates if they genuinely prefer an MRP candidate.

I can understand you not wanting LRP values and culture to be erased, but its very clear that many people disagree with you on what that is. Your platform is not "pro LRP" its pro your version of LRP, which many LRP players and admins wont agree with you on, if they did you should run for player's choice because getting it would be very easy.

The headmins represent the community based on what the community has said they want, not on what the demographics of the community are.

[oranges]

smh the roleplayers are ruining the game once again

let's make the process less democratic to stop them

the process is not democratic and that is the problem sinfulbliss has with it.

[Lacran]

smh the roleplayers are ruining the game once again

let's make the process less democratic to stop them

the process is not democratic and that is the problem sinfulbliss has with it.

His proposed changes is to just restrict the choices, which is less democratic than what we currently have.

His criticsm is that the votes don't match the demographics so we need to cap them, which is dumb because a democratic system is about representing what people want, not representing what people are. If 80% of a country is obese that doesn't mean 80% of the government needs to be obese.