Concerning that mosin nagant sprite pr

[dirk_mcblade]

And the other gun sprite do over PRs. The syndicate revolver in particular.
I've heard some of the spritemakers saying they're doing it out of spite towards gun fans, to make them mad.
But there's nothing worse you can do to the mosin nagant than what bubba has done already.

What you're actually doing is making anyone with an IQ above room temperature upset over the gun resprites.
Is this what you want to do? Spriting guns to make them bubba'd?

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

I've heard some of the spritemakers saying they're doing it out of spite towards gun fans, to make them mad.

[citation needed] or this is honestly just flamebaiting.

[dirk_mcblade]

I've heard some of the spritemakers saying they're doing it out of spite towards gun fans, to make them mad.

[citation needed] or this is honestly just flamebaiting.

Player's club is literally not searchable, go find the threads where they were discussing the syndi revolver I've got better things to do with my time.
The source otherwise is that I remember reading the syndi revolver defenders writing that.

[RedBaronFlyer]

I've said it multiple times now but at this point I'm convinced that as long as your sprite isn't literally MS paint memeshit it'll get merged. Spritetainers really need to start shooting down bad/pointless resprites.

Pitch black lightbulbs? Sure. Merged.
Replacing the mosin with a generic bolt action rifle that looks both too fancy and like a giant blob of green pixels? Merged.
Cargo becoming generic guys in t-shirts? Probably going to be merged.

I'm not even mad that the mosin got replaced because "muh history" (although I am sad that it broke the "mosins have been used in almost every conflict since their production, even in 2023 meme), the new sprites just.. don't look good. Also some people really tried using the "b-b-but the mosin is unrealistic to still be used in *whatever the year that TGstation SS13 is set in I can't be assed to check*"

This is a game where you work with cat people, skeletons controlled by fungus, humanoid lizards and humanoid moths, on a space station, owned by a megacorporation. Said megacorporation employs full time clowns and mimes.

Early in the shift, the botanist unleashes some Killer Tomatoes from the film Attack of The Killer Tomatoes, he throws combustible lemons (inspired by Portal 2) at security, who are using batons designed after the stun batons used by the Civil Protection in Half-Life 2. This causes a person to go to the bar and they chose one of the many drinks inspired by movies or video game drinks. There he observes a clown throwing eggs (one of which spawns a chick like in Minecraft). In the back, a lizard person named "Drinks-To-Forget" is using a naming scheme inspired by Argonians in The Elder Scrolls, drinks a Cuban Pete, named after a very good bomb maker in SS13, and will later drink a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster, a drink from The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

Later on, the crew is fighting xenomorphs from the movie Aliens, utilizing mechs both inspired and named after things from the movie Aliens. The captain uses his antique laser gun inspired by a gun in system shock 2, while the gun itself has a description similar to the kind that a dwarf fortress one would have, during the fight. In the meantime, someone plays as The Thing stalking the maintenance tunnels killing people, but runs into the janitor during garbage day, who shoots him with a gun. On the other side of the station, the antagonist from the film The Blob begins consuming a part of the station, who will soon be spotted by an engineer wearing a suit inspired by the suit used in Dead Space

But a bolt action rifle being called a Mosin is what breaks your immersion? Really?

MFW a reference gets removed from a game for being a reference (in a game literally bursting at the seams with pop culture references):


These are just some of the references to other things in SS13: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=34599

[Not-Dorsidarf]

firearm spriters must be stopped

[NecromancerAnne]

who gives a fuck

[RedBaronFlyer]

who gives a fuck

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/77169

[kinnebian]

waste of my time and yours to get yourself mad over this

[Sealed101]

Pitch black lightbulbs? Sure. Merged.

this was tinkered upon later and they are no longer made out of obsidian glass (thanks Onule - https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/77594)

yeah some recent sprite changes were too silly, gun spriters are a menace

[dirk_mcblade]

who gives a fuck

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/77169

They bubba'd my boy

[RedBaronFlyer]

Pitch black lightbulbs? Sure. Merged.

this was tinkered upon later and they are no longer made out of obsidian glass (thanks Onule - https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/77594)

yeah some recent sprite changes were too silly, gun spriters are a menace

I forgot to mention that, they look really good now in my opinion. I actually like them more than the old lights (The pre-black lightbulbs lights), though seeing where a broken bulb is in the dark is still a bit annoying.

[NecromancerAnne]

who gives a fuck

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/77169

Then let met rephrase; I don't give a fuck because I do not believe anything contributed to this codebase cannot be reverted, altered or changed to improve upon what came before or be better than what was contributed previously. The mosins in particular are being redone again. And the lights mentioned have already been improved.

Knowing that these conversations are taking place means I don't really care about this individual change, because I know that if someone cared enough, they will come and make their criticism known by putting forward an alternative. If someone has a narrative they think is stronger than just a gun meme, I feel they should be more than welcome to contribute to push us towards more originality. And if someone takes offense to that and would rather we didn't have bubba'd mosin knockoffs in cargo, they should take the time to join the ongoing conversations, either via contributions or through civil discussions with contributors. digg downvotes are not that. They're the least useful metric for feedback, because it isn't even something that can be responded too or discussed. I put no weight in it.

[conrad]

Anne I like you but those discussions are pointless and people are gonna do what they want regardless. The spriter working on the misaligned mess that was the cratening literally said that they weren't gonna listen to "white names" (referring to non-staff members on Discord), while simultaneously engaging on a flamewar with them.

At least the spriter working on the cargo uniform was willing to listen and left the soul of it intact (i.e.: the lil shorts and different coloured undershirt). Bless them.

[Jacquerel]

Anne I like you but those discussions are pointless and people are gonna do what they want regardless. The spriter working on the misaligned mess that was the cratening literally said that they weren't gonna listen to "white names" (referring to non-staff members on Discord), while simultaneously engaging on a flamewar with them.

At least the spriter working on the cargo uniform was willing to listen and left the soul of it intact (i.e.: the lil shorts and different coloured undershirt). Bless them.

Unless I do not understand what cargo uniform pr you are talking about those are both the same spriter

[kinnebian]

Anne I like you but those discussions are pointless and people are gonna do what they want regardless. The spriter working on the misaligned mess that was the cratening literally said that they weren't gonna listen to "white names" (referring to non-staff members on Discord), while simultaneously engaging on a flamewar with them.

At least the spriter working on the cargo uniform was willing to listen and left the soul of it intact (i.e.: the lil shorts and different coloured undershirt). Bless them.

those were the same spriter, conrad

[RedBaronFlyer]

Anne I like you but those discussions are pointless and people are gonna do what they want regardless. The spriter working on the misaligned mess that was the cratening literally said that they weren't gonna listen to "white names" (referring to non-staff members on Discord), while simultaneously engaging on a flamewar with them.

At least the spriter working on the cargo uniform was willing to listen and left the soul of it intact (i.e.: the lil shorts and different coloured undershirt). Bless them.

both of those were done by the same person, axietheaxolotl. The only difference is that they didn't have a meltdown over the criticism of the cargo resprite.

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/75785
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/77456

edit because I feel like I was a bit mean:

I like axietheaxolotl/Viro's stuff, they just tend to look a little out of place when next to anything they themselves haven't sprited. As much as I absolutely loathe the upcoming cargo resprite, they did listen to criticism and addressed a lot of the issues with it. The sprites themselves look nice, I just wish they'd kept more in line with how cargo has looked for years now. Their resprited cargo looks overly militaristic and more generic sci-fi (which is a trend I'm noticing with some of these resprites), but that's a separate thing.

[Jacquerel]

and btw thbose prs were both written by the same guy (in case you didnt know) (i dont know if anyone told you this yet)

[Jacquerel]

someone had some good tweaks to the crates and then didnt finish the pr for some reason maybe ill see if i can adopt the branch

[conrad]

Unless I do not understand what cargo uniform pr you are talking about those are both the same spriter

those were the same spriter, conrad

both of those were done by the same person, axietheaxolotl.

Call it character development. I obviously knew that.

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No I didn't.

[Cobby]

who gives a fuck

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/77169

That third react is literally bm why did they add that lol.

They already have a dislike button that third one is like a passive aggressive form of calling someone stupid

[Jacquerel]

fucked that there’s no react for PRs that you know need to be merged but are sad about it (fixing bugs that I like)

[conrad]

fucked that there’s no react for PRs that you know need to be merged but are sad about it (fixing bugs that I like)

:PensiveCry: reaction when

[BrolyButterfingers]

The crates still look like dogshit and that spriter managed to make me go from vaguely sympathetic to them to thinking they're an absolute bag of shit in like 5 discord posts, and anyone who can turn a crowd that fast should quit their current gig and get into pro wrestling.

[saprasam]

so called retrofuturistic when everything looks like it’s straight out of star trek

[Sk1Wass3r]

so called retrofuturistic when everything looks like it’s straight out of star trek

so called retrofuturistic when we first get tablets that no one used and then those get combined with the PDAs and we straight up have smartphones now

[iwishforducks]

pdas were better than the smartphones we have now

[Pepper]

Cargo becoming generic guys in t-shirts? Probably going to be merged.

Someone resprite BESSIE into a wage cage

[Featherfield]

I believe we should purge most spriters and replace them.
Edit: Sorry like two of them maybe three there arent many bad ones but god damn are they loud ones
edit: no its just two sorry
https://tgstation13.download/dip/discordimageproxy.php/attachments/ ... ltaker.mp4

[dendydoom]

so called retrofuturistic when everything looks like it’s straight out of star trek

star trek is retrofuturist as hell. it's 2000s media like mass effect that adopted the weird shiny super clean clamshell plastic that everything has now

[RedBaronFlyer]

so called retrofuturistic when everything looks like it’s straight out of star trek

star trek is retrofuturist as hell. it's 2000s media like mass effect that adopted the weird shiny super clean clamshell plastic that everything has now

Yeah, I was about to say, some stuff is lifted directly from or inspired heavily by star trek (such as some department colors, the holodeck), but the mosin design isn't remotely like anything in Star Trek (at least not in the original series or The Next Generation, no idea about anything beyond that)

[Jacquerel]

replace mosin with phaser pr
(no mechanical change just sprites)

[dirk_mcblade]

so called retrofuturistic when everything looks like it’s straight out of star trek

star trek is retrofuturist as hell. it's 2000s media like mass effect that adopted the weird shiny super clean clamshell plastic that everything has now

Yeah, I was about to say, some stuff is lifted directly from or inspired heavily by star trek (such as some department colors, the holodeck), but the mosin design isn't remotely like anything in Star Trek (at least not in the original series or The Next Generation, no idea about anything beyond that)

Something similar to the mosin might be found in the nazi planet from TOS

[BrolyButterfingers]

so called retrofuturistic when everything looks like it’s straight out of star trek

star trek is retrofuturist as hell. it's 2000s media like mass effect that adopted the weird shiny super clean clamshell plastic that everything has now

Yeah, I was about to say, some stuff is lifted directly from or inspired heavily by star trek (such as some department colors, the holodeck), but the mosin design isn't remotely like anything in Star Trek (at least not in the original series or The Next Generation, no idea about anything beyond that)

There was a Winchester 1873 in TNG.

EDIT: Also if I remember there were also M1 Garands in DS9 and Voyager, an MP40 in TOS and Voyager, a modern Enfield in DS9, and I think even a Mossberg 500.

Also Andorian rifles from Enterprise just look like a generic-ass gun

Pretty much any wild-west revolver you can think of, they love that setting

[datorangebottle]

replace mosin with phaser pr
(no mechanical change just sprites)

do it or no balls.

[BrolyButterfingers]

replace mosin with phaser pr
(no mechanical change just sprites)

do it or no balls.

A phaser that fires a bullet would actually be so fucking funny

[dirk_mcblade]

who gives a fuck

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/77169

Then let met rephrase; I don't give a fuck because I do not believe anything contributed to this codebase cannot be reverted, altered or changed to improve upon what came before or be better than what was contributed previously. The mosins in particular are being redone again. And the lights mentioned have already been improved.

Knowing that these conversations are taking place means I don't really care about this individual change, because I know that if someone cared enough, they will come and make their criticism known by putting forward an alternative. If someone has a narrative they think is stronger than just a gun meme, I feel they should be more than welcome to contribute to push us towards more originality. And if someone takes offense to that and would rather we didn't have bubba'd mosin knockoffs in cargo, they should take the time to join the ongoing conversations, either via contributions or through civil discussions with contributors. digg downvotes are not that. They're the least useful metric for feedback, because it isn't even something that can be responded too or discussed. I put no weight in it.

Do you think any discussion would've resulted in the mosin reskin not getting merged? I don't think it was avoidable regardless of its popularity.

[BrolyButterfingers]

who gives a fuck

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/77169

Then let met rephrase; I don't give a fuck because I do not believe anything contributed to this codebase cannot be reverted, altered or changed to improve upon what came before or be better than what was contributed previously. The mosins in particular are being redone again. And the lights mentioned have already been improved.

Knowing that these conversations are taking place means I don't really care about this individual change, because I know that if someone cared enough, they will come and make their criticism known by putting forward an alternative. If someone has a narrative they think is stronger than just a gun meme, I feel they should be more than welcome to contribute to push us towards more originality. And if someone takes offense to that and would rather we didn't have bubba'd mosin knockoffs in cargo, they should take the time to join the ongoing conversations, either via contributions or through civil discussions with contributors. digg downvotes are not that. They're the least useful metric for feedback, because it isn't even something that can be responded too or discussed. I put no weight in it.

Do you think any discussion would've resulted in the mosin reskin not getting merged? I don't think it was avoidable regardless of its popularity.

A lot of merge decisions are genuinely fucking baffling to me and some of the sprite ones top that chart

[RedBaronFlyer]

Do you think any discussion would've resulted in the mosin reskin not getting merged? I don't think it was avoidable regardless of its popularity.

A lot of merge decisions are genuinely fucking baffling to me and some of the sprite ones top that chart

No feedback is ever in-depth enough to satisfy. Everyone can be as kind as possible and they'll still be labeled as toxic. It is rude to talk about coders behind their backs, even as the coderbus/spritebus actively talk shit about the playerbase not appreciating their "content." Players are labeled as just being unable to understand, even as a decent portion of sprite/code contributors don't actually play the game outside of testing. You must play five million rounds with the shitty sprite/content to claim that the content is shit. They will claim you can always make a PR to fix it, even if you are lacking the experience to make a PR yourself. Get told to just get over the change, even as the person behind the PR makes a clown of themselves by acting like an idiot over feedback.

[dirk_mcblade]

Do you think any discussion would've resulted in the mosin reskin not getting merged? I don't think it was avoidable regardless of its popularity.

A lot of merge decisions are genuinely fucking baffling to me and some of the sprite ones top that chart

No feedback is ever in-depth enough to satisfy. Everyone can be as kind as possible and they'll still be labeled as toxic. It is rude to talk about coders behind their backs, even as the coderbus/spritebus actively talk shit about the playerbase not appreciating their "content." Players just don't understand, even as a decent portion of sprite/code contributors don't actually play the game outside of testing. You must play five million rounds with the shitty sprite/content to claim that the content is shit. You can always make a PR to fix it, even if you have no desire or are lacking the experience to make a PR yourself. Just get over it, even as the person behind the PR makes a clown of themselves by acting like an idiot over feedback.

If I or anyone else made a PR to revert even one of those sprites back to something like an original mosin nagant it wouldn't get merged.

[RedBaronFlyer]

Do you think any discussion would've resulted in the mosin reskin not getting merged? I don't think it was avoidable regardless of its popularity.

A lot of merge decisions are genuinely fucking baffling to me and some of the sprite ones top that chart

No feedback is ever in-depth enough to satisfy. Everyone can be as kind as possible and they'll still be labeled as toxic. It is rude to talk about coders behind their backs, even as the coderbus/spritebus actively talk shit about the playerbase not appreciating their "content." Players just don't understand, even as a decent portion of sprite/code contributors don't actually play the game outside of testing. You must play five million rounds with the shitty sprite/content to claim that the content is shit. You can always make a PR to fix it, even if you have no desire or are lacking the experience to make a PR yourself. Just get over it, even as the person behind the PR makes a clown of themselves by acting like an idiot over feedback.

If I or anyone else made a PR to revert even one of those sprites back to something like an original mosin nagant it wouldn't get merged.

Yep. It's the illusion of being able to make a difference.

[kinnebian]

waste of my time and yours to get yourself mad over this

the only way youre going to make a change is by appealing to the spritetainers or oranges

[RedBaronFlyer]

waste of my time and yours to get yourself mad over this

the only way youre going to make a change is by appealing to the spritetainers or oranges

They don't actually listen to players. I get the "just appeal to the authority" thing but they're not going to listen. They almost never listen. The cratening still happened.

They aren't just going to go "oh jeez guess we'll listen to the community this time, fiiiiiine"

They're going to go "shut the fuck up we know better than you, get fucked"

[kinnebian]

waste of my time and yours to get yourself mad over this

the only way youre going to make a change is by appealing to the spritetainers or oranges

They don't actually listen to players. I get the "just appeal to the authority" thing but they're not going to listen. They almost never listen. The cratening still happened.

then whats the point of this thread?
im personally working on picking up where this pr left off, anyways (i have been given permission from youtubeboy) https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/76544
might as well do something productive

[RedBaronFlyer]

waste of my time and yours to get yourself mad over this

the only way youre going to make a change is by appealing to the spritetainers or oranges

They don't actually listen to players. I get the "just appeal to the authority" thing but they're not going to listen. They almost never listen. The cratening still happened.

then whats the point of this thread?
im personally working on picking up where this pr left off, anyways (i have been given permission from youtubeboy) https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/76544
might as well do something productive

"Why complain about thing if raising awareness to an issue isn't going to do anything?"

Why complain about environmental decay if politicians aren't going to listen? Why complain about the weather if it won't change it?



Godspeed on the crate rework.

[kinnebian]

waste of my time and yours to get yourself mad over this

the only way youre going to make a change is by appealing to the spritetainers or oranges

They don't actually listen to players. I get the "just appeal to the authority" thing but they're not going to listen. They almost never listen. The cratening still happened.

then whats the point of this thread?
im personally working on picking up where this pr left off, anyways (i have been given permission from youtubeboy) https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/76544
might as well do something productive

"Why complain about thing if raising awareness to an issue isn't going to do anything?"

Why complain about environmental decay if politicians aren't going to listen?

ironically, my point
you have to take active action to see change, sitting around and shooting down the idea when someone suggest complaining to spritetainers or oranges because "they wont listen and never will" is stupid
the person who made the pr is a spriter, just a role on discord
they dont hold power over the codebase, because its open and anybody can be a spriter or a coder

[dirk_mcblade]

waste of my time and yours to get yourself mad over this

the only way youre going to make a change is by appealing to the spritetainers or oranges

They don't actually listen to players. I get the "just appeal to the authority" thing but they're not going to listen. They almost never listen. The cratening still happened.

then whats the point of this thread?
im personally working on picking up where this pr left off, anyways (i have been given permission from youtubeboy) https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/76544
might as well do something productive

"Why complain about thing if raising awareness to an issue isn't going to do anything?"

Why complain about environmental decay if politicians aren't going to listen?

ironically, my point
you have to take active action to see change, sitting around and shooting down the idea when someone suggest complaining to spritetainers or oranges because "they wont listen and never will" is stupid
the person who made the pr is a spriter, just a role on discord
they dont hold power over the codebase, because its open and anybody can be a spriter or a coder

Right, so I learn to sprite. I make an updated mosin nagant sprite and put a PR in for it. Lo and behold it doesn't get merged because reasons. Yeah that's a great use of my time.

[dirk_mcblade]

waste of my time and yours to get yourself mad over this

the only way youre going to make a change is by appealing to the spritetainers or oranges

They don't actually listen to players. I get the "just appeal to the authority" thing but they're not going to listen. They almost never listen. The cratening still happened.

then whats the point of this thread?
im personally working on picking up where this pr left off, anyways (i have been given permission from youtubeboy) https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/76544
might as well do something productive

"It's my thread"
https://youtube.com/shorts/qst72pHGU1U?feature=share

[conrad]

waste of my time and yours to get yourself mad over this

the only way youre going to make a change is by appealing to the spritetainers or oranges

You're forgetting that player opinion doesn't matter.

you have to take active action to see change, sitting around and shooting down the idea when someone suggest complaining to spritetainers or oranges because "they wont listen and never will" is stupid

Yeah let's go on the github and revert the mosin changes, that'll work.

Having some empathy is nice, Kinneb. At the very least, people get to vent. Going "you're not even doing anything", "this thread is a waste of my time" and "I don't give a fuck" is exactly what doesn't help.

What I would suggest to frustrated people is to re-add the mosin as hidden/special loot, since the changes virtually excised it from the codebase.

[BrolyButterfingers]

waste of my time and yours to get yourself mad over this

the only way youre going to make a change is by appealing to the spritetainers or oranges

They don't actually listen to players. I get the "just appeal to the authority" thing but they're not going to listen. They almost never listen. The cratening still happened.

then whats the point of this thread?
im personally working on picking up where this pr left off, anyways (i have been given permission from youtubeboy) https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/76544
might as well do something productive

"Why complain about thing if raising awareness to an issue isn't going to do anything?"

Why complain about environmental decay if politicians aren't going to listen?

ironically, my point
you have to take active action to see change, sitting around and shooting down the idea when someone suggest complaining to spritetainers or oranges because "they wont listen and never will" is stupid
the person who made the pr is a spriter, just a role on discord
they dont hold power over the codebase, because its open and anybody can be a spriter or a coder

Nobody is going to go out of their way to learn an entire skill in order to make a submission to make a change that's going to get rejected and closed (and, more likely than not, get abused and ridiculed at the same time) and you have to be mentally fucking ill to suggest they do that. The attitude of a lot of the more vocal "contributors" towards the playerbase is so ass I would literally rather eat a bag of dogshit than interact with them, let alone learn an entire thing just to be forced to interact with them and probably be told to fuck off anyway

No fuckin' thanks, I'll just continue to acknowledge that many of them are assholes not worth my time and move on.

[dirk_mcblade]

I'm going to endorse chesify as second to bottom pick for the elections on my YouTube channel because they endorsed the mosin nagant resprite in the PR so that's me doing my little part. I'll do the same for any other people running for headmin who signed off on it but that's the only one I noticed.