How have your rounds been since dynamic was tweaked a few days ago?

[RedBaronFlyer]

I was kind of curious to see how people's rounds have been since dynamic was tweaked a few days ago.

Links to relevant PRs.
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/78281
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/78276

Personally, I've been taking a break for a few days since nearly every round I've played since the latest dynamic tweak was shitting out 60+ threat rounds every round. I was kind of curious to see if anyone else was feeling like that or if I'm just losing it.

[Turbonerd]

I've consistently seen threats at 60 and above in the past few weeks, with insane shit like >80 not being that rare. I haven't been playing a significant amount recently, so it's not statistically significant. The massive increase in lag recently is bothering me a lot more than dynamic, with atmos taking multiple seconds to tick when nothing is going on.

[TheRex9001]

Since viewtopic.php?f=85&t=34921 threat has been a lot better, as I mentioned in there dynamic was really fucking broken and shitting out a ton of threat

[TheRex9001]

Doublepost, but that threat thing and kieths wording making it seem intentional made me think the headmins made the system shit out this much threat, and not gonna lie, that threat shitting nearly made me quit the game since it was 0 fun.

[kieth4]

Dynamic was broken as far as I understand and now it's fixed. The dynamic that existed before was completely broken. I haven't particularly felt it being too crazy since all the fixes and shit. The system we tweaked was the broken one and that's why it was weird.

[RedBaronFlyer]

I thought it being a completely flat chance to roll anywhere in between 0 and 100 threat was working as intended to be honest (though there being a huge middle finger on the graph was the part messing up). IDK if I like it being 50-60 threat a majority of the time. Those are almost always 40-60 minute rounds of multiple antags trying to fuck the station with no downtime.

I don't have evidence, but I feel like it is rolling higher-threat rounds (60+) way more than lower-threat rounds.

[kieth4]

Before it used to bias right towards the average and now goes slightly higher I think. So that would make sense for around 60 being average

[RedBaronFlyer]

[Jacquerel]

don't forget it's only been fixed for about a week so the experience of "the last several weeks" is only useful in comparison to the last few days

[Not-Dorsidarf]

i dont pay enough attention to threat postround to have any idea.

[GPeckman]

Normal rounds still feel largely the same. Lowpop rounds, however, feel much better. Before the changes, it felt like have the station ended up rolling mid round traitor on lowpop. Now lowpop rounds feel much calmer.

[Kendrickorium]

i absolutely never pay attention to the amount of threat, all rounds feel the same to me, just different chances of antags each new headmin term.

[Timberpoes]

Right now threat is biased slightly towards higher over lower. Lemme sim up a graph real quick with current settings.

[Timberpoes]

This is the rough threat distribution as it stands.

The weight of 2.5 gives it that general shape.

The center of 0.2 very so slightly biases it away from symmetry and towards the right, such that the center is ~55 threat and about half of the shifts will be 55 or above. The other half will be below that.

[Timberpoes]

For examples of other types of threat distributions at 0.2 center, increasing width changes the graph like so:
Width 5.0, Center 0.2


Width 100.0, Center 0.2


So we get less focus on the extremities, more focus on the center with increasing width.

While decreading the width from 2.5 creates more interesting shapes.

At width 1.5, Center 0.2 we get an uwu face.


At Width 0.5, Center 0.2 we get some droopy tits.


At Widths of 0.01 approaching zero, Center 0.2 (zero is invalid because we divide by the width) we get Heaven or Hell.


At negative widths we start to skinnify things. The center biases also reverses, so positive center values bias the graph to the left and trend towards lower threat instead of higher. Width -0.5, Center 0.2 gives us a ballsack


Width -1.5, Center 0.2 gives us a fractured tree stump


And increasingly negative widths trend towards The Dynamic Middle Finger; Swivel On It, Punk!

[RedBaronFlyer]

-stuff-

I'm very dumb and bad at reading statistics but basically dynamic popping out mostly 60-ish threat rounds is working as intended?

[kieth4]

Looks like it is aye

[Indie-ana Jones]

The game was always a crisis sim in my eyes, so having more rounds where stuff happens is a massive plus for me.

[Timonk]

It takes a lot of skill to simulate a bell curve in spessmen or something idk

[conrad]

I like the bell curve where average threat rounds are more common and both blue star and midnight sun are super rate treats we get to experience.

I think admins should push more buttons during blue/yellow star to give it a custom kick.

[Featherfield]

Every single round I have played its been tots, heretics and fucking nukies please tone this shit down

[EmpressMaia]

I just came back from my ban and it's all black orbits

[Critawakets]

threat has been decreased but the insanely low threat values of antags (why are nukies 7 goddamn threat) means that there's functionally no difference

[Timonk]

Nukies are 7 threat because God hates you

[kinnebian]

threat is both too low and too high
truly it is balanced, then

[TheLoLSwat]

nukies being weaker (less people avg ) but more likely would be cool, like a consistent low tier threat

[Googles_Hands]

Bring back Secret, I miss it.