Everything is better than it ever has been

Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:14 am

Or it least it feels that way sometimes, right?
It feels like the new features and balances are all so good in comparison to the vibe we had back in the day.
It feels like all the sprites are cool, we say they have souls.
It feels like policy is more simpler and understandable than it used to be.
It feels like the maps are better.
It feels like the community is united.
It feels like there is more roleplay.
It feels like there is less rulebreaking.

Here we are, each step along the way a seeming improvement from how the game was 1, 3, 5, 10, 20 odd years ago.

Its probably not nostalgia right? When you first started playing the game you felt so much new wonder and enjoyment, and you project that wonder and enjoyment to the community, policy, and code of that time.
But why is it so subtle? Will we be able to recognize genuine improvements?

But then I start to think, do pure improvements even exist?
Runechat comes to mind as a feature that is overwhelmingly supported by players, and why wouldn't you? It makes it easy to see exactly who is talking around you, it lets you keep your eyes on the screen instead of the text in the log, what's not to like?
But there is always an argument to make that something was gained. The focus on the chat window for communication gave the game a very clunky feel, like an AOL messenger. It was like the chat was the brain of your character and you couldn't see into all of their deepest perceptions. You might argue that the actual letters themselves detract from the games artstyle, which is an entirely subjective thing.
Now does this mean we should keep runechat? Yes, in my opinion, the benefits are staggering to the flow of the game and ease of communication. But does that make these praises against it valid? I think so.

Perhaps there is a layer here that is deeper than nostalgia, we all came here because this game attracted us, and it attracted us in the state it was when we came here. And when the game changes, it can feel like "its getting better," or "its going somewhere closer to what space station 13 should be"

But the truth is, we were attracted to this game for different reasons, and we all have different opinions on what it should be. No one is "correct" really about what direction this game should go in, and we are all scrabbling among each other to push our message for what ss13 should be, which is probably based on whatever reason we got attracted to the game in the first place, which is also based on what the server was like when we started playing.

If someone was very conflict adverse user who thinks that no one should ever have to die or get round removed if they don't want to, because their version of ss13 doesn't contain being at risk of being unable to play, there's not much you can do to convince them. It doesn't matter how many times you say "the game is punishing by design," or "the weight of death adds to the fear and paranoia," or "this is a storytelling game and sometimes you are the victim in the story," those will never be convincing arguments to them. And you should also note that liking punishing game design, fear and paranoia, and telling a dramatic story are all also matters of opinion.

It's pure opinion, this isn't an ethical debate, its not an argument over the meaning of statistics, it is only about what we personally value in ss13.

How the hell are we supposed to agree on anything

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:52 am #715264

Why are you copy pasting someone else's post

Post by **Jackraxxus** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:58 am #715266

The future is bright.
We're all gonna make it bros.

zergking · Post by **zergking** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:28 am #715269

Too long didn't read, wanna talk about starsector?

Post by **TheRex9001** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:46 am #715273

Hopium thread

Post by **dendydoom** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:12 am #715277

i've been playing this game since some adults here were literal infants. i've never gotten burned out or hated the game. the more shit changes the more the real core of it all stays the same: if you never lose track of the true goal, which is to have wacky space adventures with your pals, you'll never get sick of this game. burn away the weeds and creeping vines and remember what's important. to have fun adventures together!!!!! LET'S GO!!!!!!!

DrAmazing343 · Mon Dec 11, 2023 2:02 am

every round is a story and some stories are shitty and some are PEAK FUCKING FICTION but we will no matter the code or the players STOP STRIVING FOR PEAK FICTION BECAUSE HOLY FUCKING SHIT WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT TGSTATION

Constellado · Post by **Constellado** » Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:01 am #715387

dendydoom wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:12 am i've been playing this game since some adults here were literal infants. i've never gotten burned out or hated the game. the more shit changes the more the real core of it all stays the same: if you never lose track of the true goal, which is to have wacky space adventures with your pals, you'll never get sick of this game. burn away the weeds and creeping vines and remember what's important. to have fun adventures together!!!!! LET'S GO!!!!!!!

Yeah!!!
me too

celularLAmp · Post by **celularLAmp** » Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:55 am #715392

No it's not

Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:21 pm

celularLAmp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:55 am No it's not

you must have posted this in the wrong thread, my friend.

Post by **Jacquerel** » Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:51 pm #715430

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y

Ziiro · Post by **Ziiro** » Mon Dec 11, 2023 2:30 pm #715436

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 113228.htm

celularLAmp · Post by **celularLAmp** » Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:50 am #715518

TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:21 pm
celularLAmp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:55 am No it's not
you must have posted this in the wrong thread, my friend.

last time I checked my notes JOKES are supposed to be funny pal.

Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:53 pm

celularLAmp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:50 am
TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:21 pm
celularLAmp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:55 am No it's not
you must have posted this in the wrong thread, my friend.
last time I checked my notes JOKES are supposed to be funny pal.

that is correct! do you need help with double checking any other word definitions from your notes?

celularLAmp · Post by **celularLAmp** » Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:42 pm #715617

TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:53 pm
celularLAmp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:50 am
TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:21 pm
celularLAmp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:55 am No it's not
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No that'll be all.

iwishforducks · Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:30 pm

celularLAmp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:42 pm
TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:53 pm
celularLAmp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:50 am
TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:21 pm
celularLAmp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:55 am No it's not
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No that'll be all.

by replacing the quotes and not just deleting them you have invoked the curse of the tower. say goodbye to this thread and all you hold dear

kinnebian · Post by **kinnebian** » Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:41 pm #715628

is this a new gravel type

Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:47 pm

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:30 pm
celularLAmp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:42 pm
TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:53 pm
celularLAmp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:50 am
TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:21 pm
celularLAmp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:55 am No it's not
cool towers

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No that'll be all.
by replacing the quotes and not just deleting them you have invoked the curse of the tower. say goodbye to this thread and all you hold dear

warbluke · Post by **warbluke** » Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:56 pm #715632

Even towers are worse than they've ever been. Look at what we could have had, what could have been.

Post by **dendydoom** » Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:28 pm #715633

WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE DOING IN HERE

Itseasytosee2me · Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:29 pm

look what you have to do to mimic a fraction of my power.

warbluke · Post by **warbluke** » Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:41 pm #715635

dendydoom wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:28 pm WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE DOING IN HERE

Posting pictures of cool looking but sadly never constructed Victorian towers, what about you?
Anyway look at these sick things

iwishforducks · Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:29 am

iwishforducks · Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:55 am

cSeal · Post by **cSeal** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:13 am #715657

i miss swarmers

Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:51 am

I feel like this post is a sort of unkind reading of easy's initial one. It's talking about the changing groups of people who have interest in our brand of ss13, and why that happens. S a fine thing to talk about.

Post by **dendydoom** » Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:33 pm #715746

every character has a lifespan on this show before they fade from the stage. it's our job as rapidly aging greybeards to pass the torch to new players, not lament over how our very specific fleeting version of the game is over. there were good times before us and there will be good times after we're gone. pour one out for all the ones we lost along the way, but there are always new crewmembers to torture.

RedBaronFlyer · Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:07 pm

fucking hell it's like when I forget to downsize my shitty paint.net meme images

Post by **oranges** » Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:55 pm #715786

dendydoom wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:33 pm every character has a lifespan on this show before they fade from the stage. it's our job as rapidly aging greybeards to pass the torch to new players, not lament over how our very specific fleeting version of the game is over. there were good times before us and there will be good times after we're gone. pour one out for all the ones we lost along the way, but there are always new crewmembers to torture.

says the bad smell that's been hanging around since 2008

Fri Dec 15, 2023 12:26 pm

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:55 amfuck

Please don't fuck

conrad · Post by **conrad** » Fri Dec 15, 2023 10:53 pm #715864

Justice12354 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 12:26 pm
iwishforducks wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:55 amfuck
Please don't fuck

Actual 1984 moment.

Post by **dendydoom** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 12:25 am #715869

oranges wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:55 pm
dendydoom wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:33 pm every character has a lifespan on this show before they fade from the stage. it's our job as rapidly aging greybeards to pass the torch to new players, not lament over how our very specific fleeting version of the game is over. there were good times before us and there will be good times after we're gone. pour one out for all the ones we lost along the way, but there are always new crewmembers to torture.
says the bad smell that's been hanging around since 2008

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that's 2007 actually sweetie

i was getting rounds in between sessions of dungeon master and cow RP

Bruhman173096 · Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:36 am

ur wrong

Bruhman173096 · Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:40 am

idk how to reply, but i've had a terrible accident the start of this december, I had to go through surgery the day of my mothers birthday, i'm stuck in this fucking room until it recovers, everything is bad, life is pain, pain is life, it's gonna get better, but currently everything is worse than it ever was

Sat Dec 16, 2023 6:03 am

Bruhman173096 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:40 am idk how to reply, but i've had a terrible accident the start of this december, I had to go through surgery the day of my mothers birthday, i'm stuck in this fucking room until it recovers, everything is bad, life is pain, pain is life, it's gonna get better, but currently everything is worse than it ever was

i hope you get back to the spessmens in good health soon, comrade.

DrAmazing343 · Sat Dec 16, 2023 7:39 pm

TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:47 pm
iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:30 pm
celularLAmp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:42 pm
TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:53 pm
celularLAmp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:50 am
TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:21 pm
celularLAmp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:55 am No it's not
cool towers

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No that'll be all.
by replacing the quotes and not just deleting them you have invoked the curse of the tower. say goodbye to this thread and all you hold dear

I was nearly crying laughing at all the towers stretching down the page

Post by **dendydoom** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 8:59 pm #715931

why must you hurt me like this?

Post by **dendydoom** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 8:59 pm #715932

i'm not cleaning this up this thread is a lost cause do what you want in here i can't take it

warbluke · Post by **warbluke** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:34 am #715960

Look at these cool airship towers!

RedBaronFlyer · Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:44 am

airships are really cool, it's a shame that they just don't really work unless there's no wind (particularly sudden downward or upward drafts) and the weather is perfectly clear and dry

warbluke · Post by **warbluke** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:44 am #715969

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:44 am airships are really cool, it's a shame that they just don't really work unless there's no wind (particularly sudden downward or upward drafts) and the weather is perfectly clear and dry

The Graf Zeppelin managed to fly across Caribbean Squall lines without much trouble, Norge made it across the North pole, and I remember reading that the R100 got through a North Atlantic thunderstorm at speed (Was not able to back the third one up)
Airships can totally deal with wind!
Of course, USS Shannondoah was an inside job by Howard Hughes to get rid of the competition, R38 was a FLUKE, Akron and Macon were HOAXES so clearly all the evidence points to airships being entirely reliable.