Potential new antag: 5 DNA points or a worse blood brother (codenut)

[TheLoLSwat]

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/80313




Cool seeing another blood-brother like antag, I just cant imagine someone rolling this and doing anything other than enjoying free antag while physically avoiding changelings in order to not get sacced without being able to fight back

[TheLoLSwat]

Maybe they could do something to a person and if the changeling absorbs them they get a bonus? Atleast one incentive for the changeling not immediately going "lets head to dorm toilets, cut our radios off and talk about our evil plan ;D" when they find the fanatic

[warbluke]

This would work better as a tot kit option like contractor, on its own it is pretty barebones.

[dendydoom]

ngl i like when we experiment with new antags it's exciting

let's bring back devil

[Itseasytosee2me]

Maybe they could do something to a person and if the changeling absorbs them they get a bonus? Atleast one incentive for the changeling not immediately going "lets head to dorm toilets, cut our radios off and talk about our evil plan ;D" when they find the fanatic

they do get to be an imaginary friend if when the ling eats them.

[datorangebottle]

i can't wait to be imaginary friend antag honestly, i love being an imaginary friend.

[Vekter]

I like this idea. I'm getting genestealer cult vibes, very neat.

[Nabski]

Coders don't play so why would you put this in the hut where they can't see it instead of coding feedback.

[Itseasytosee2me]

Coders don't play so why would you put this in the hut where they can't see it instead of coding feedback.

Bro i'm literally right here.

[Armhulen]

"WE NEED MORE ANTAGS WE NEED MORE ANTAGS WE NEED MORE ANTAGS"
"NO YOUR ANTAG IDEA SUCKS"
"AND I HAVE NO IDEAS BUT I AM GREAT AT SHOOTING DOWN IDEAS, NOTHING IS WORTH TESTING TO SEE IF IT WILL FIT IN"
"AND I WON'T CODE ANY IDEAS I DO HAVE"

[Jacquerel]

it is pretty stupid to post it in here though when players cant even play it yet

[Armhulen]

"WE NEED MORE ANTAGS WE NEED MORE ANTAGS WE NEED MORE ANTAGS"
"NO YOUR ANTAG IDEA SUCKS"
"AND I HAVE NO IDEAS BUT I AM GREAT AT SHOOTING DOWN IDEAS, NOTHING IS WORTH TESTING TO SEE IF IT WILL FIT IN"
"AND I WON'T CODE ANY IDEAS I DO HAVE"

sorry i went a little gamer night at the inventory i'm just saying there is no antag liked by everyone and it's so easy to find potential holes but whether it has issues and whether it overall works for the game is different and nothing reveals problems that infringe on the latter like a live environment

[Timonk]

what if the tiger operative does xenobio and turns themselves into a slime person and gets a changeling to absorb him multiple times

[Indie-ana Jones]

I'm happy to see people try their hand at making more antagonists for the game. We need more variety and whether one would like to admit it or not, having a varied cast of evildoers helps keeps rounds fresh and interesting. It also alleviates issues of our antag cast being somewhat exhausting to fight over and over when its the same ones being picked.

That being said, depending on how you make an antag, they'll having varying amounts of impact on the story of the round. These guys seem to be able to greatly buff a single changeling, so the question would be is how much will that impact the course of the round on average? We'll just have to see.

[Itseasytosee2me]

what if the tiger operative does xenobio and turns themselves into a slime person and gets a changeling to absorb him multiple times

Their connection to the body gets destroyed on absorb, and the changeling only gets the benefit if the tiger's mind is in the body.

[TheLoLSwat]

Coders don't play so why would you put this in the hut where they can't see it instead of coding feedback.

this is an entire new antag, something the community should speak on even those that may not see it if its there

[oranges]

Coders don't play so why would you put this in the hut where they can't see it instead of coding feedback.

they also dont need playtime to post in the hut.

[Nabski]

Coders don't play so why would you put this in the hut where they can't see it instead of coding feedback.

Bro i'm literally right here.

Bro why are you version two of the person that made this PR.

[Nabski]

Coders don't play so why would you put this in the hut where they can't see it instead of coding feedback.

this is an entire new antag, something the community should speak on even those that may not see it if its there

Changelings aren't even real so why does this matter. I haven't seen a ling for months.

With love- the bagil player

[Nabski]

Coders don't play so why would you put this in the hut where they can't see it instead of coding feedback.

they also dont need playtime to post in the hut.

Maybe if you played then I wouldn't have to be triple posting off my phone.

[warbluke]

Changelings aren't even real so why does this matter. I haven't seen a ling for months.

With love- the bagil player

We had them on icebox like a month ago but it might have been an admin event.

[MooCow12]

My favorite part is the hackmd they wrote suggests the policy that the new antag gets, imagine someone who gets their information by looking up stuff on github rolls the antag, knows wikis are outdated and looks for the pr that added the antag they are playing as, clicks on hackmd, and then they also happen to get info about how they should behave from the hackmd

and then they get banned for following that coderwritten policy and not some even harder to find wall of text written by a headmin about the specific antag they are playing.



Alot of stars have to align for this outcome but its amusing to think about.

[MooCow12]

Double post but concerning the antag itself and not a madeup fantasy....


It could literally give the changeling that absorbs them infinite chem storage and infinite dna and i would still call it noob bait for a changeling to absorb them, chemical storage is shit because chem regen is shit and likely made worse by time dilation (i watched my chem storage for half a minute waiting for it to tick up by ONE), you would need a massive supply of changeling sting drinks for it to matter and even then who the fuck cares if you have access to more abilities and can use them more often when they are just changeling abilities


Changeling's base kit is already as good as its gonna get at the start of the round, it doesn't scale to be much better unless you get better equipment, you dont have super powerful "spells" you have buttons that let you go back to left clicking people with your armblade or whatever weapon you come across.....its not like heretic where unlocking a new ability could be an instant win in a situation..

Meaning that someone else that can click on people and defend you when you get 2 shot by a stun baton is far more valuable than any amount of dna points or chem storage.



Infact the most robust changeling players i've seen dont even use armblade they use station equipment like captains laser and sabre and stun batons, the only time they use an ability its to help them keep using captains laser sabre and some stun baton.....nobody should give a damn about chem storage or dna points.

[EmpressMaia]

flavourful

[TheRex9001]

The tiger coop dude has this stuff:
A combat knife (20 damage)
A desert eagle (7 shots, 60 damage)
A spare magazine
A Bio terror foam grenade
A doorjack
A flash full of ritual wine (which heals them)

[Armhulen]

The tiger coop dude has this stuff:
A desert eagle (7 shots, 60 damage)
A spare magazine

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh you're just joshing, right? doesn't actually get 14 pre-nerf revolver shots right

[Jonathan Gupta]

The tiger coop dude has this stuff:
A desert eagle (7 shots, 60 damage)
A spare magazine

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh you're just joshing, right? doesn't actually get 14 pre-nerf revolver shots right

just a joke bud dont look into it

[Itseasytosee2me]

The tiger coop dude has this stuff:
A desert eagle (7 shots, 60 damage)
A spare magazine

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh you're just joshing, right? doesn't actually get 14 pre-nerf revolver shots right

You told me it would be easier to nerf them rather than buff em later

[Itseasytosee2me]

Coders don't play so why would you put this in the hut where they can't see it instead of coding feedback.

Bro i'm literally right here.

Bro why are you version two of the person that made this PR.

itseasytosee was taken on the forums already.

[Armhulen]

The tiger coop dude has this stuff:
A desert eagle (7 shots, 60 damage)
A spare magazine

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh you're just joshing, right? doesn't actually get 14 pre-nerf revolver shots right

You told me it would be easier to nerf them rather than buff em later

you decide the balance but if it drops and its just stupid you're going to leave a sour taste first impression that will be very hard for anyone to move on from jsyk

[Indie-ana Jones]

Why does he need a gun capable of that damage output?

[TheLoLSwat]

You gotta remember that these are solo antags where changeling cooperation is anticipated rather than codified in policy. If you give them a bunch of strong things and only make the teamup viable from the changelings perspective, fanatics will just run around being a slightly stronger solo blood brother. If there’s no policy change stopping it, they will even hunt the changelings who would also be seeking them out for points or otherwise.


The teamup is not like blood brothers or rev (group antags), there has to be solid gameplay incentives for a fanatic to risk their antag status to seek out and work with changelings.

[Armhulen]

The teamup is not like blood brothers or rev (group antags), there has to be solid gameplay incentives for a fanatic to risk their antag status to seek out and work with changelings.

i'm starting to see the writing on the wall that this won't happen in practice but i'm still ok with trying all this out because the dev is working under the impression the antag can go easier than it came

[Itseasytosee2me]

The tiger coop dude has this stuff:
A desert eagle (7 shots, 60 damage)
A spare magazine

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh you're just joshing, right? doesn't actually get 14 pre-nerf revolver shots right

You told me it would be easier to nerf them rather than buff em later

you decide the balance but if it drops and its just stupid you're going to leave a sour taste first impression that will be very hard for anyone to move on from jsyk

yeah i nerfed it

[Armhulen]

>tell antag coder not to worry about balance
>says ok and gives the antag a desert eagle
>now antag coder has to worry about balance

[NecromancerAnne]

The deagle made sense, the Regal Condor is a Tiger Co-operative holy weapon after all.

[Itseasytosee2me]

The deagle made sense, the Regal Condor is a Tiger Co-operative holy weapon after all.

thats where i got it from