sever tribalism: the thread

[EmpressMaia]

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dudes real mad he cant unga bunga in an RP game

[warbluke]

BAGIL NUMBER ONE SYBIL NUMBER ZERO FUCK MANUEL FUCK TERRY FUCK CAMPBELL

[Jonathan Gupta]

BAGIL NUMBER ONE

[Jacquerel]

LRP stands for Lots of RP

[TheLoLSwat]

SYBIL >> Bagil >>> Terry/Manuel depending on the day

[warbluke]

SYBIL >> Bagil >>> Terry/Manuel depending on the day

You're just saying that because you couldn't handle the power of Bagil.
BAGIL NUMBER ONE FOREVER SYBIL DEAD SERVER.

[zxaber]

I miss bagil having a population. Maybe one day bagil and sybil will flip again.

[saprasam]

you can kill people for entering the bridge though
thats how its been for as long as my memory serves, at least

[itsswagga]

Cheshify #719593

Oh ok it's the time of the year people are making baseless accusations and grand standing so they get internet popularity points. We're killing LRP by encouraging interactions! We're killing MRP by loosening antag restrictions! Considering what you've been quoted on saying before, I doubt this rant thread has any merit as policy.

The elections aren't even up yet, so save the fear mongering for later.

This is very weird, the thread was quite civil, and the quote he mentions is SEVEN FUCKING YEARS OLD. I truly hope for the sake of TG that we aren't judging people based on more than half a decade old posts. There's no shortage of old posts of admins using gay pejoratively, being transphobic, and saying the N word [hard R]

[NoxVS]

This is very weird, the thread was quite civil

It doesn't matter how civil it was, it's policy discussion. For discussing specific policy changes. A headmin platform is not a specific policy change.

and the quote he mentions is SEVEN FUCKING YEARS OLD. I truly hope for the sake of TG that we aren't judging people based on more than half a decade old posts. There's no shortage of old posts of admins using gay pejoratively, being transphobic, and saying the N word [hard R]

You know what, fair enough. People can change their opinions. You may have been utterly opposed to RP in the past, but that doesn't mean you still want to lower the standard from LRP now that 7 years have passed. Maybe you've come around since.

Anyways, here's the exact same opinion but just from a little over a month ago.

Terry, like Sybil and Bagil is LRP. But anyone who has played on Terry knows that it's much closer to NRP. People openly say OOC in IC stuff like "round about to end" or "it's revs" or saying "X BAD" to signal the mob to validhunt the antag.

AFAIK nobody gets banned for this, some people may get warnings depending on if a Manuel admin is there but the regular admins don't really police this stuff.

Rather than wasting admin time enforcing LRP on Terry, embrace the culture and declare it NRP, like Goon 1. Where you can say "my game is frozen" on Common Radio. This frees up admin time to actually deal with proper rule breakers who ruin the game, and gives them time to run events.

All Terry players already know that if they want to RP they go to Manuel or Paradise or whatever, none of the players complain about the culture, and most admins let it fly. Terry RP consists of running around and spam pointing people and spam pointing at airlocks.

A consequence of this is that the word filter on Terry should be removed. So you should we able to say "np", "pls", "thx", et cetera.

[itsswagga]

Preferring that a basically NRP server be officially declared NRP is not problematic at all. It frees up admin time and alleviates any confusion with the rules, i.e. players wondering why X dude said Y 100 times, but they got bwoinked for saying it once.

I have played on HRP servers like Bay and Aurora, I know what RP is. It's something natural, you can't force it, which is why I am heavily against the MRP-oriented shift that is happening across TG.
TG doesn't even have respawn enabled, LOOC, or cryodorms. To me the MRP shift seems borne out of less of a love of RP, and more of a way to spite and "get back at" the dreaded "shitters"

[DrAmazing343]

I played bagil back in 2017 but I still call sybil my ancestral homeland instead of basil. Isn't that fucked up?

I need to truly return to Bagil one of these days just to build a megaproject sometime.

[TheRex9001]

Bagil is like campbell if it didnt have megaprojects

[kieth4]

Cheshify #719593

Oh ok it's the time of the year people are making baseless accusations and grand standing so they get internet popularity points. We're killing LRP by encouraging interactions! We're killing MRP by loosening antag restrictions! Considering what you've been quoted on saying before, I doubt this rant thread has any merit as policy.

The elections aren't even up yet, so save the fear mongering for later.

This is very weird, the thread was quite civil, and the quote he mentions is SEVEN FUCKING YEARS OLD. I truly hope for the sake of TG that we aren't judging people based on more than half a decade old posts. There's no shortage of old posts of admins using gay pejoratively, being transphobic, and saying the N word [hard R]

No way 7 fucking years??? Say sike, they found a quote of him saying slurs 7 years ago to make him sound worse instead of picking a more modern quote and running with it? Say sike man surely that can not be the case

Edir: like there's even a modern quote in this thread man, can you link to the og quote because I'm struggling to believe that people acted that bad faith

[Timonk]

its kill or be killed on the LRP servers, survival of the fittest. either you toe the line on valid or you get toes shoved in your mouth.

[Archie700]

Preferring that a basically NRP server be officially declared NRP is not problematic at all. It frees up admin time and alleviates any confusion with the rules, i.e. players wondering why X dude said Y 100 times, but they got bwoinked for saying it once.

I have played on HRP servers like Bay and Aurora, I know what RP is. It's something natural, you can't force it, which is why I am heavily against the MRP-oriented shift that is happening across TG.
TG doesn't even have respawn enabled, LOOC, or cryodorms. To me the MRP shift seems borne out of less of a love of RP, and more of a way to spite and "get back at" the dreaded "shitters"

The "confusion with the rules" is because nobody really bothers to ahelp it.

And the amount of admin time "wasted" handling NRP things is little

[NoxVS]

No way 7 fucking years??? Say sike, they found a quote of him saying slurs 7 years ago to make him sound worse instead of picking a more modern quote and running with it? Say sike man surely that can not be the case

Edir: like there's even a modern quote in this thread man, can you link to the og quote because I'm struggling to believe that people acted that bad faith

You say "found" like there was a mountain of history to dig through. There's a single page of results. And I just assumed it was picked because it seemed to best communicate being utterly opposed to RP, It's pretty tame if it was picked for the other part of it. Something that happened 7 years ago is also kinda relevant if part of the argument is that they are a veteran player who is witnessing the downfall of LRP from the pinnacle it once was.

[kieth4]

No way 7 fucking years??? Say sike, they found a quote of him saying slurs 7 years ago to make him sound worse instead of picking a more modern quote and running with it? Say sike man surely that can not be the case

Edir: like there's even a modern quote in this thread man, can you link to the og quote because I'm struggling to believe that people acted that bad faith

You say "found" like there was a mountain of history to dig through. There's a single page of results. And I just assumed it was picked because it seemed to best communicate being utterly opposed to RP, It's pretty tame if it was picked for the other part of it. Something that happened 7 years ago is also kinda relevant if part of the argument is that they are a veteran player who is witnessing the downfall of LRP from the pinnacle it once was.

He has more recent posts that communicate his ideas better though? Why are we dredging something up from 7 years ago and not 2023 which is way more recent?

It was posted solely to clown on the guy with no discussion around it.

Why not engage with some of his more recent posts/comments as opposed to looking @ 7 years ago?

[dendydoom]

i don't care to comment on people's post history but i doubt you will find anyone in any decision making role at any level of the project that supports terry being nrp.

the only realistic route i can see to achieving this is to get someone who wants this as headmin but they will likely spend 6 months of their life fending off the other 2 headmins, every gamemaster, every maintainer and every admin telling them that it's a terrible idea all hours of the day.

you have a much better shot of compromising and codifying what you want out of lrp through actionable policy - "it's okay to use OOC terms in IC when discussing game mechanics" etc etc etc etc until you have a ruleset that creates the environment you want to see. then you will have to convince every admin to enforce it the way you want it to be enforced, and hover over bans and discussions like a spectre ready to jump in and fight your corner, because a lot of people are going to be balking at it because it's not a good idea.

but the start of this will be elaborating on what changes you actually want specifically - rather than asking for whatever 2016 version of sybil you miss back again. appealing to some puritanical ideal of lrp romanitas is not constructive in any sense.

this is not a "go make your own server" shittalk but i genuinely think you would have a much easier time just putting up your own tg server, pinging all your nrp friends and playing together with no rules. it would be a lot easier than convincing an entire community to shift their culture into allowing you to put "sussy amogus" as the shuttle call reason.

[MrStonedOne]

this is not a "go make your own server" shittalk but i genuinely think you would have a much easier time just putting up your own tg server, pinging all your nrp friends and playing together with no rules. it would be a lot easier than convincing an entire community to shift their culture into allowing you to put "sussy amogus" as the shuttle call reason.

basically this, and im gonna point out that servers that can handle byond in the eu are much cheaper so there really is no excuse for people in the eu to not have more forks and servers to cater to what they want.

what's 120 dollars in the us is 50 in the eu. what's 180 in the us is 90 in the eu. not only that, but the barrier to entry has gotten much fucking lower with byond supporting multithreaded client processing.

that being said, i do think part of why there aren't as many eu servers comes down to eu's affinity with nrp. it turns out it fucking sucks to play in that kind of environment and the forks i've seen pop up over the years tend to overcorrect for /tg/'s barebones level of rules and pitter out, if anybody wanted to go this route, its something to keep in mind.

[Nabski]

BAGIL NUMBER ONE SYBIL NUMBER ZERO FUCK MANUEL FUCK TERRY FUCK CAMPBELL

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I did not and will not read the policy thread it looks like a dumping ground of bad opinions that won't change anything

[RedBaronFlyer]

BAGIL IS OKAY I GUESS I DUNNO I DON'T PLAY LOWPOP SYBIL JUST WASN'T MY CUP OF TEA WHEN I PLAYED IT A FEW TIMES I QUITE ENJOY MANUEL BUT IT ISN'T PERFECT AND TERRY IS A LITTLE TOO CHAOTIC FOR MY TASTES

[wesoda25]

NRP advocates suck, having a dedicated server would just attract people we don't want and overall be a behavioral sink (misusing this term btw). Also I can't help but roll my eyes when people take issue with the bare minimum of not using OOC concepts in game. That being said, the bar for "LRP" (pardon my use) has absolutely been raised across this term (and maybe last couple, wasn't really paying attention then). Personally a fan of that but it's fair not to be . I very much like operating around the foundation of valid IC reasoning as both an admin and a player, it keeps things really simple and allows you to cut through overly complicated nonsense like escalation and what not.

[Sightld2]

I think you'll find based on this graph that Manuel is clearly the target audience for an NRP server and would be a far more suitable candidate than Terry

[DrAmazing343]

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I think you'll find based on this graph that Manuel is clearly the target audience for an NRP server and would be a far more suitable candidate than Terry

ERMMM ACTUALLY THAT'S A CIRCUIT WIRED TO NO CKEY, AND ERMMM IF YOU HAD READ THE ERMMM DOCUMENT THAT CAME WITH THAT THEN UHHH YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN WE'RE LIKE THIRD PLACE

[DrAmazing343]

/srs it's funny as SHIT that manny technically has top spot there, I remember my fucking jaw dropping seeing the graph and audibly going "What the fuck?"

[warbluke]

I was looking at the mainpage just now and I saw this for a few seconds.

What the fuck.

[dendydoom]

I was looking at the mainpage just now and I saw this for a few seconds.

What the fuck.

haha, you're just seeing things my friend.

code red, code red, he knows.

[conrad]

I was looking at the mainpage just now and I saw this for a few seconds.

What the fuck.

There are forces byond our control at work.

[oranges]

boxstation number 1

[oranges]

also, 2016 player showing up to tell us what the "server culture is" bingo thread.

back 2 hippie noob

[Justice12354]

I was looking at the mainpage just now and I saw this for a few seconds.

What the fuck.

WHAT?!! THIS DOES NOT FIT MY NARRATIVE!!!! TERRY GO BACK TO DEADPOP!!! TERRY DIE!!!!

[Higgin]

Just got out of my Campbell goon cave what's going on in this thread

[DrAmazing343]

Just got out of my Campbell goon cave what's going on in this thread

You don't get to hear about the server tribalism until you show us your lit 130+ emitter reflector setup. I know how long you were in there, Engineering's main color ain't yellow anymore which means you MUST have cooked up something crazy for the SM.

[Nabski]

Oh I wanna see that. The most I have done is 64 before I got sick of making emitters and needed more diamonds for reflectors.

[Timonk]

also, 2016 player showing up to tell us what the "server culture is" bingo thread.

back 2 hippie noob

- 2010 player

[Ezel]

BAGIL NUMBER ONE SYBIL NUMBER ZERO FUCK MANUEL FUCK TERRY FUCK CAMPBELL

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I did not and will not read the policy thread it looks like a dumping ground of bad opinions that won't change anything

Before nameswitch or after?

[Nabski]

The should nameswitch it again. It'll be funny.

[kieth4]

Maybe they should remove all other servers and buy a giga CPU for terry (the best server)

[Sightld2]

Maybe they should remove all other servers and buy a giga CPU for terry (the best server)

Giga server, but it's actually just the big four combined and you can take a tram between them.

[PapaMichael]

as a manuelite, what are the differences in server culture between sybil and terry?

[conrad]

Maybe they should remove all other servers and buy a giga CPU for terry (the best server)

Giga server, but it's actually just the big four combined and you can take a tram between them.

Then transform the server rules into local law.

"Sorry sir but you need to ask to enter engineering. We stay on our lane here" BAN

[kieth4]

as a manuelite, what are the differences in server culture between sybil and terry?

Tried to put it into words but it's hard. Play both and form your own judgement based on your experiences

[Sightld2]

The LRP servers are faster. In my experience.

[kieth4]

The LRP servers are faster. In my experience.

Mrp servers have more sucky players (like you)

[Timonk]

terrystation superserver

[EmpressMaia]

sybil generally has more opportunity for RP in my experience than terry, on terry you cannot open your chat in combat because you will immediately be wall shove stunned and cable cuffed

[EmpressMaia]

also terry has so many escalation baiting shitheads its insane

[dendydoom]

there is not THAT much of a difference between the servers, just who plays on there. tribalism is meaningless. anyone who unironically espouses the importance of "culture" is referring to how their doomposting metacord likes to play and thinks things should be run.

sybil used to be the rp server until manuel stole them all. now it's a cross between an lrp server and a rotting old folks' home.

terry is terry. live fast and die hard. the "gamer" server. eu players who care about rp already play on manuel. eu players who don't care about rp go to terry for the ping. they're very sensitive about this reputation as hardcore, but a lot of them are pushovers. including this one guy called lukas who hangs around on there.

[DrAmazing343]

Sybil is simultaneously an old person's home and the landing pad for most new NA players.

You run into old legends that can't cut it anymore alongside the newest and baldest motherfuckers you've ever met.