security officer cannot articulate probable cause nut

Scriptis · Post by **Scriptis** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 2:30 am #722239

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i think that ekat might've been fine if they'd said they checked the room and saw two nasty viruses first

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:32 am #722243

Can I (a security officer) invite a friend to my workplace (the armory) to give them a tour of the guns?

britgrenadier1 · Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:33 am

additionally creation of a harmful virus by virology is in its self fine and part of the job...

So here's the thing. If I'm sec and the AI alerts me that the viro is making AARDS or something, they're toast. I've been on the giving and receiving end of these types of raids and frankly, because of the hyper lethal nature of the virus I don't think we should prevent sec from raiding viro if they're making gigadeathcovid20.

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:34 am #722246

If you're gonna RP it at least make it believable that your friend would want to see your pet biohazards

warbluke · Post by **warbluke** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:46 am #722247

Does "Didn't turn on suit sensors when asked" count as probable cause? Because that is my go-to reasoning.

BonChoi · Post by **BonChoi** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:52 am #722248

Just dropping in to say I hate this note, waiting for the other 2/3rds of my metagang to come in and say the same.

Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:04 am

The most relevant policy thread on the matter, given this is essentially a random search based on circumstantial evidence. Effectively this was just an investigation prompted by two people being in a department together, one of whom being someone who is expected to exist in that department. Which is kind of nonsense to me, you shouldn't have to have a justification to invite someone into your department.

You can, in fact make negative/dangerous viruses as virologist for reasons other than antagonism. Virologists can sell them for bounties, and sometimes lethal symptoms are needed to get the right set of stats (the most lethal tend to have the biggest negative values, for example). So long as they're contained to the virology department, or not deliberately spread through the crew, nothing bad happens, and security shouldn't be fussed by viros...doing the job they signed up for. You cannot arrest someone for having unneutered culture bottles in virology as a virologist, that's nonsense. They're going to, at any given point, probably have a unneutered virus if they're doing their job.

It'd be even funnier if those bottles were the two roundstart unneutered virus bottles.

Post by **iansdoor** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:19 am #722252

britgrenadier1 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:33 am
additionally creation of a harmful virus by virology is in its self fine and part of the job...
So here's the thing. If I'm sec and the AI alerts me that the viro is making AARDS or something, they're toast. I've been on the giving and receiving end of these types of raids and frankly, because of the hyper lethal nature of the virus I don't think we should prevent sec from raiding viro if they're making gigadeathcovid20.

I wish that was true! Not this case, what do you roundstart in virology when engineering doesn't turn on the SM till 15 minutes or so and instead builds a sillycone cafe? That is just how rounds roll sometimes.

I genuinely hate that my name was dropped for slander.
I'll drop game logs and show you the deal here.

Context:
Here is me and Alison chatting and goofing off till the APC is blue or green charging, I do my job to the best I can with the 8? cultures made that drained 49% of the apc. You can read and know that I RP cause it's fun to bullshit around!

We both have RDS and I ask her to come to virology to get bubba and these rat bastard xeno hunters to stop bugging me. I had 3 in the first moment, walking thru the airlock, I just got off the shuttle. She comes to bother and I give her my viro winter jacket, so that she can eat. She reads the label and I am making plasma virus, rolled two for starlight, then filled the rest with virus food. rolled 6 times and had just a normal starlight with 12-9- -(4)-10 with not sali acid cure, I kept getting that one. While I am looking for beakers, I wonder if that virology office" has food?" (its meta, sadly no). She points at the monkeys are food and I say I cut open the monkey with a glass shard, she says "yeah or something" and I reply back that "we could use her sharp wings" to which flat out said her wings are fluffy and fragile. (sure..). I ask if she wants anything else, cause its my office and notified her that "I probably got 30 drops and then we are good to go!". She is just thinking, so I respectively listened and just watched her thoughts.

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Context:
This is where Marina makes their first wrong assumption and lets continue on.
I made note to Alison that "there it is. Finally, The power is dead" to which she replied "oo, inducer, maints cabling, or both, choose." To which at some point the power is going to come back on, I assumed (I was terribly wrong) and designated Alison cause she has fluffy wings to be my "power source" to be my power source. We do an act, she is on my shoulders and channeling power and APC doesn't fucking charge because that is just pipedream on engineering not even doing the SM at that point. I enjoyed the shit out of that moment as it was fun to pass the time!

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Context:
This is where Marina came in with terribly thought suspicion. Her probable cause was just that two folks are in virology. I accept that, sure as long as you realize that there isn't anything and you may leave the way you came. She didn't ask any story, she made the assumption that something bad was happening. I believe that every person has the right to make the assumption and if its wrong or just lacking, then you don't really have to stay.

40 seconds after we are playing around with the APC, she is still on my shoulders. Two red biosuit security officers walk into my office. Maks uses Law 2 to break in and enter my office. (They didn't check with the CMO, who walked in early, who made note of us two and then walked right out [00:05:44.564] Aktidre/(Anthony Burns) (mob_3438) "the creature" (Virology (61,88,2)).
This is their thing, Marina ask what viruses, I say starlight, I point out that there is "no power". and we all point to the APC that has no power. (I can't finish my virus without power.) Marina law 2 to turn on the power, to which they look and see "Starlight base virus." Maks believes me and realizes that it is a "real food virus" "good." Alison calls shitsec, I will give them benefit of the doubt and play along. Marina unpromptly demands that they are "going to need to search those bag,s gentlemen". I give them my bag and everything else, so they can go with the business. Alison doesn't want to, that's her choice. We were more than generous to assisting the shitsec that had no reason after searching the virus and my bag and looking around the room. The issue here is that they didn't fucking talk about the reason they came until they left medical and when I bickered at brig. So continuing on, Alison is refusing, and they fine her. saying "she is carrying dangerous microbes in her wings" and "you have created a workplace hzard." I am pissed at this point at the AI and their time that was eating up my goddam apc power "very nice. you wasted my power and unjust searching of security. They shot her with .38 special and harmbaton to crit for assaulting them with a fucking pocket crowbar against their body armor. I can't believe that, she pleading for me to uncuff and I am just astounded that that 9 ish minutes of fun chatter ended in span of 6 minutes dealing with those two. They take her away, give me some ass reasons on why they came by to check on viro.

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Post by **iansdoor** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:21 am #722253

NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:04 am The most relevant policy thread on the matter, given this is essentially a random search based on circumstantial evidence. Effectively this was just an investigation prompted by two people being in a department together, one of whom being someone who is expected to exist in that department. Which is kind of nonsense to me, you shouldn't have to have a justification to invite someone into your department.

You can, in fact make negative/dangerous viruses as virologist for reasons other than antagonism. Virologists can sell them for bounties, and sometimes lethal symptoms are needed to get the right set of stats (the most lethal tend to have the biggest negative values, for example). So long as they're contained to the virology department, or not deliberately spread through the crew, nothing bad happens, and security shouldn't be fussed by viros...doing the job they signed up for. You cannot arrest someone for having unneutered culture bottles in virology as a virologist, that's nonsense. They're going to, at any given point, probably have a unneutered virus if they're doing their job.

It'd be even funnier if those bottles were the two roundstart unneutered virus bottles.

Again, I wish that was the case. Speedrunning starlight+17 resist is 2 minutes with right rng and easy cure. That apc drains in 8 create culture, So I did the best I could!

Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:56 am

iansdoor wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:21 am Again, I wish that was the case. Speedrunning starlight+17 resist is 2 minutes with right rng and easy cure. That apc drains in 8 create culture, So I did the best I could!

I mean, Meta Viro seems to have a frequent problem with power in particular, I've had it die on me almost every time I play viro there because it is the furthermost point from the engine. But how often is it that your engineers just don't turn on the engine at all? Is it because they fuck off with the tools, or is it that they're too busy making the engine something ridiculously overturned?

Also, if you had hit starlight and it was present in the unprepared viruses, in what world does someone suspect that it's a dangerous or grief virus? Has Ekat ever actually played virology once or do they think people have to be neutering viruses as they go along rather than all at once at the end?

Post by **iansdoor** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:15 am #722277

NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:56 am
iansdoor wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:21 am Again, I wish that was the case. Speedrunning starlight+17 resist is 2 minutes with right rng and easy cure. That apc drains in 8 create culture, So I did the best I could!
I mean, Meta Viro seems to have a frequent problem with power in particular, I've had it die on me almost every time I play viro there because it is the furthermost point from the engine. But how often is it that your engineers just don't turn on the engine at all? Is it because they fuck off with the tools, or is it that they're too busy making the engine something ridiculously overturned?

Also, if you had hit starlight and it was present in the unprepared viruses, in what world does someone suspect that it's a dangerous or grief virus? Has Ekat ever actually played virology once or do they think people have to be neutering viruses as they go along rather than all at once at the end?

2 out 5 station's virology offices are just poorly wired in my 130 hours of virology. Yeah, the engineering staff were not doing anything with the engine till way later. What else can you do!

I don't know their actual reasoning and Marina wasn't budging on how bad this sequence was. IC, they can tell me all they want that assistant cannot be in that virology office, but that excuse doesn't hold up at all. There was just so little effort to be ensure that they were "valid."

MooCow12 · Post by **MooCow12** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:56 am #722280

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 1:50 am
I did (and still do) not believe this routine interaction would've gotten any attention had it not been another admin, Iansdoor, to be the one to ahelp. Thus, unless the policy above does exist, in which case the actions in question would be explained, I would also like the headmins to look into:
Whether Iansdoor exploited his admin status to get me bwoinked as OOC retaliation for a normal IC search against his character and his friend's character

Iansdoor plays both sybil and terry and both servers have a seemingly different reaction to random searches, at least on sybil I think it seems a bit more demonized by players. Admin or not, if you arn't educated well on the rulings I think its likely someone would base their understanding on how the players treat it.

Also if neither Iansdoor nor the Iain0 knew that ekaterina found evidence of foul play in virology and that was their probable cause to arrest Iansdoor

Why is ekaterina pushing the implications of abuse against Iansdoor at the same time providing delayed evidence that they wern't playing in a lame and punishable way.

britgrenadier1 · Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:10 am

iansdoor wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:19 am fucking huge snip

Good context, keep the note, RIP to the viro RNG btw its a pain. Also 17 resist is hella high, what's the transmission on that if you get resist to 17?

MooCow12 · Post by **MooCow12** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:10 am #722284

Double post but different point

A finished death virus left in virology is like a finished maxcap ttv in ordnance, you cant really do anything to the creator of either of them despite how fast they can impact everything

But for future reference

You can dismantle, dispose of, or destroy them, I don't see anything against the rules in that regard and that should be made the solution we point to if you have issues with their existence. Although you might face escalation if they are meant to be used for something like refining anomaly cores.

But the appealer saying they just found a bunch of un-neutered symptoms could literally just be stat boosts for a virus in progress, un-neutered symptoms isnt detailed enough.

Post by **iansdoor** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:21 am #722287

britgrenadier1 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:10 am
iansdoor wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:19 am fucking huge snip
Good context, keep the note, RIP to the viro RNG btw its a pain. Also 17 resist is hella high, what's the transmission on that if you get resist to 17?

I always aim for touch spread. So the minimum there is 7 to 11 transmission.

I hate cough and sneeze spreads that some folks do. Pills only work if you set them out everywhere.

Hans · Post by **Hans** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:13 am #722288

Ekat consistently has one of the worst sec plays on terry

conrad · Post by **conrad** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:56 am #722290

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 1:50 am
Whether Iain0 acted on personal bias against me over my public opinion about him in the last headmin election

Good for Ian0 for figuring out the cost of living crisis by living inside Ekaterina's head rent free.

Also non-neutered culture bottles is a complete non-issue. If I give you megaregen and no need to breathe and you bag search me 'cos you start sneezing I'm fucking spacing you.

Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:07 am

it's a courtesy to neuter sneezing, but these weren't even released, they were incomplete viruses that needed power to finish. That's...just to be expected to be in an unprepared state.

Like, you can go into any virology room on any round with an active viro within the first 10 minutes, baton them, look at their virus and see a similarily incomplete virus. That's just how you do virology. They bag searched them for being a virologist if that's the extent of their claim.

conrad · Post by **conrad** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:31 am #722296

If you arrest me for being uncourteous I'm also spacing you.

Prussen · Post by **Prussen** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:30 pm #722355

BonChoi wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:52 am Just dropping in to say I hate this note, waiting for the other 2/3rds of my metagang to come in and say the same.

I agree

Post by **oranges** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:37 pm #722356

ekaterina took a strong set of L's in this thread damn

Post by **Higgin** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:18 pm #722361

in 2564 it is a crime to merely be a virologist

the fish doctor shadow government has gained control

this is good actually

EmpressMaia · Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:21 pm

oranges wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:37 pm ekaterina took a strong set of L's in this thread damn

Don't they always

MooCow12 · Post by **MooCow12** » Sun Feb 25, 2024 12:30 am #722368

We need sinfulbliss here to defend him

Post by **Jacquerel** » Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:27 am #722371

but if the reflexively anti-admin devil's advocate is himself the one making the appeal, who will post pro-appeal comments on his obviously valid note peanut...

TheLoLSwat · Post by **TheLoLSwat** » Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:24 am #722374

random searches are cringe unless you know for sure they are up to no good, its way more fun to over exaggerate being suspicious of them like a cartoon

Post by **dendydoom** » Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:43 am #722377

imo it's fine to see an assistant in viro, a "secure" area in that you have to pass through a cycling airlock system to enter it because it contains transmissible diseases, and think "something might be up" and find out what they're doing there.

but searching them just for standing in viro, with the actual virologist there, is not enough of a probable cause imho. once you find out that the assistant is actually *assisting* someone else do their job, that seems fine.

i have no issue with sec being paranoid tho. keep an eye on it. kinda sec's job. just don't strip search people for existing. it's like lain0 already put: you have to wait for something bad to happen before you pounce. it's part of the game.

DrAmazing343 · Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:59 am

I only search people if they’re openly carrying contraband or I’ve got shit linking them to a crime (The crime was done with an RCD, time to check the only engineer etc.) but on the flip side I absolutely love being suspicious when I’m not Sec.

The newspaper update has done absolute fucking wonders for being able to loiter and look 200% more stupid doing it and I love that. I keep infiltrating into Sec while confused officers go “uh…”

Post by **iansdoor** » Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:07 am #722384

You know what, I don't think they are gonna apologize at all.
For the peanuts to give.
If you read what I bitched about. what do you do if there is no power in virology.
Marina too had this moment, imagine that for that entire station.

00:21:54.837]Ekaterina von Russland/(Marina Rudinova) (mob_3417) "AAAAAAAAAAAA" (Research and Development (121,106,2))
00:21:56.007]Ekaterina von Russland/(Marina Rudinova) (mob_3417) "THE POWER" (Research and Development (121,106,2))
00:22:04.286]Ekaterina von Russland/(Marina Rudinova) (mob_3417) "I WAS ABOUT TO PRINT AN INDUCER" (Research and Development (121,105,2))
00:22:06.638]Ekaterina von Russland/(Marina Rudinova) (mob_3417) "AND WE RAN OUT OF POWER" (Research and Development (121,105,2))
00:22:12.030]Ekaterina von Russland/(Marina Rudinova) (mob_3417) "I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE, THIS STATION IS A SHITHOLE!!" (Research and Development (121,105,2))

Constellado · Sun Feb 25, 2024 12:48 pm

DrAmazing343 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:59 am The newspaper update has done absolute fucking wonders for being able to loiter and look 200% more stupid doing it and I love that. I keep infiltrating into Sec while confused officers go “uh…”

The newspaper is so goddamn good.

The sprite is soul and I am pretty sure AIs can't track you using it.

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:12 pm

imagine if theyd just asked the CMO why an assistant was in viro and let him handle this departmental access issue. EZ resolution.

except they didnt do that because what they clearly ACTUALLY thought was 100% "I think theyre blood brothers because why else would someone be hanging out where they arent meant to be this early in a round?" but they know they can't use that as IC justification so had to fish for shit like "oh why do you have symtom bottles, doing your job are you? thats sus hand over the bags or else".

Handling your own ticket is a bit cringe tho.

Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:59 pm

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:12 pm Handling your own ticket is a bit cringe tho.

iain0 and iansdoor are different people, dorsi!

Post by **Timberpoes** » Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:41 pm #722404

Ya, handling their own ticket to end in a note would have likely been an instant demotion.

TheLoLSwat · Post by **TheLoLSwat** » Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:51 pm #722405

To be completely fair, I have never seen iain0 and iansdoor in the same room

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:31 pm

NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:59 pm
Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:12 pm Handling your own ticket is a bit cringe tho.
iain0 and iansdoor are different people, dorsi!

i thought it was weird nobody was mentioning that. how did I not know theyre different people

Post by **iansdoor** » Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:52 pm #722421

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:51 pm To be completely fair, I have never seen iain0 and iansdoor in the same room

Bob is Terry only! I am Terry/Sybil

vect0r · Post by **vect0r** » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:50 pm #722426

bad note lol

Post by **Vekter** » Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:03 pm #722427

MooCow12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:56 am Why is ekaterina pushing the implications of abuse against Iansdoor at the same time providing delayed evidence that they wern't playing in a lame and punishable way.

Because ekaterina is convinced that the admin team has it out for them. That's why I won't handle any issues involving them - I don't want to slip up and handle something even slightly wrong and have it reinforce that belief. It's not worth my time or sanity. Another admin can handle it.

conrad · Post by **conrad** » Sun Feb 25, 2024 10:17 pm #722430

Vekter wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:03 pm Because ekaterina is convinced that the admin team has it out for them.

I don't think this is true. I think Ekaterina just thinks they're some sort of unrecognized genius with a masters in Law and a PhD in tg rules interpretation.

Post by **Archie700** » Sun Feb 25, 2024 11:35 pm #722432

conrad wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 10:17 pm
Vekter wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:03 pm Because ekaterina is convinced that the admin team has it out for them.
I don't think this is true. I think Ekaterina just thinks they're some sort of unrecognized genius with a masters in Law and a PhD in tg rules interpretation.

So like the last one who had it out for the admin team.

conrad · Post by **conrad** » Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:10 am #722433

Archie700 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 11:35 pm
conrad wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 10:17 pm
Vekter wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:03 pm Because ekaterina is convinced that the admin team has it out for them.
I don't think this is true. I think Ekaterina just thinks they're some sort of unrecognized genius with a masters in Law and a PhD in tg rules interpretation.
So like the last one who had it out for the admin team.

We're not some poor wretches that can't take players scrutinizing our work. I don't think Ekaterina is like that. They just think they're always right and like to parade that. That's different than the people specifically going after trying to burn out staff.

MooCow12 · Post by **MooCow12** » Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:37 am #722441

iansdoor wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:07 am
what do you do if there is no power in virology.

for future incidents the station actually has a much larger supply of decent size and prepowered cells that you can switch out into your apc than it may first seem, every round start canister can be screwdrivered and crowbarred to have its cell taken out (the cell is there for the shielding mechanic incase the room loses power, it was added to roundstart canisters to raise the skill floor for atmos techs that might kill everyone on accident due to power going out causing their burn can exploding)

Medbay has one for cryo doesnt it? That canister will never need a cell unless someone wants to cryo with pyroxadone which was killed by ghilker anyway (cryotubes explode at 2000k or something)

Incase you dont know how to, you just need a way to pulse wires (Multitool/timer/(2x)remote signalers) then hack a random (not important) apc to find the wire that unlocks it, hack your own apc to unlock it, then unlock the cover, crowbar, and then switch out the cell

This is alot more complicated than it sounds and while its alittle bit slower than printing an inducer you wont have to repeatedly induce that apc since it will have the cell you would be inducing it with in the first place and not a mini one.

Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:41 am

You know, even after all this time, I hadn't considered hacking APCs via signaler. That's some baller tech I just learned.

MooCow12 · Post by **MooCow12** » Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:42 am #722444

NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:41 am You know, even after all this time, I hadn't considered hacking APCs via signaler. That's some baller tech I just learned.

You can also hack airlocks without getting shocked using remote signalers since putting them on and taking them off of wires doesnt shock you (opening the ui does so dont close it, just walk 1 tile away for each ping)

Post by **iansdoor** » Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:35 am #722449

MooCow12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:37 am
iansdoor wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:07 am
what do you do if there is no power in virology.

for future incidents the station actually has a much larger supply of decent size and prepowered cells that you can switch out into your apc than it may first seem, every round start canister can be screwdrivered and crowbarred to have its cell taken out (the cell is there for the shielding mechanic incase the room loses power, it was added to roundstart canisters to raise the skill floor for atmos techs that might kill everyone on accident due to power going out causing their burn can exploding)

Medbay has one for cryo doesnt it? That canister will never need a cell unless someone wants to cryo with pyroxadone which was killed by ghilker anyway (cryotubes explode at 2000k or something)

Incase you dont know how to, you just need a way to pulse wires (Multitool/timer/(2x)remote signalers) then hack a random (not important) apc to find the wire that unlocks it, hack your own apc to unlock it, then unlock the cover, crowbar, and then switch out the cell

This is alot more complicated than it sounds and while its alittle bit slower than printing an inducer you wont have to repeatedly induce that apc since it will have the cell you would be inducing it with in the first place and not a mini one.

Oh I am 100% aware of the cells. I wanted to make a funny out of it. Virologist is a relaxing role that is done in 2 minutes and the rest of the time, you don't do anything.

I will start grabbing signallers more often to test wires.

DrAmazing343 · Mon Feb 26, 2024 5:34 am

SIGNALLERS TO TEST THE WIRES I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT OUUUUGH.

I’ll still barehand them because it’s faster. Mama ain’t raise no bitch, and the Tide is strong.

Post by **dendydoom** » Mon Feb 26, 2024 5:37 am #722453

MooCow12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:42 am (opening the ui does so dont close it, just walk 1 tile away for each ping)

is that a bug i spy........

Post by **iansdoor** » Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:56 am #722457

dendydoom wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 5:37 am
MooCow12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:42 am (opening the ui does so dont close it, just walk 1 tile away for each ping)
is that a bug i spy........

Not anymore unusual than every other UI pop up. The one security camera, you could be like 4 tiles away and video feed still showing someone on screen. I am not sure what the snap to close is or not.

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:44 pm #722461

dendydoom wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 5:37 am
MooCow12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:42 am (opening the ui does so dont close it, just walk 1 tile away for each ping)
is that a bug i spy........

its more like walking away from something electrified to not get shocked when it reacts

Post by **dendydoom** » Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:51 am #722671

fwiw to ekat: if you feel strongly that having this rule amendment is something you and other players would benefit from, then it may be well worth starting a policy thread on it. this is much more beneficial than trying to create policy amendments through appeals.

it allows for a wider discussion amongst the community in a more serious setting than peanut threads. you may find that no one else has the issue you had, or you might find that it's a somewhat common issue that no one really talked about before and it reveals something we didn't realize was happening.

however, if you are just kinda pissed that you didn't notice the flavour text before, then this might just be better suited as a lil lesson. the meme in adminbus is that flavour text carries this game more than rules do. we use it quite often in rulings. no harm no foul. gl either way.