I am the uncontested Vault safe king but the adminfriend is taking the fun out of the game and it's driving me crazy!

[Timonk]

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I am honestly split on this. Krokodil is doing a harmless gimmick not annoying anyone and lenald is just grieving him for no reason

On the other hand lenald is allowed to do that

I think I should run HoS and arrest lenald for rushing a high security area round start. Opinions?

[NecromancerAnne]

istoprocent in this thread: FREE WILL IS A MYTH

[Ezel]

200

[MooCow12]

Krokodil and lenald should have a toolboxing competition BUT

the admins are allowed place bets and they can rig the match by doing things like changing brute mod or giving one of them chems or something and their goal is to get their toolboxer to win but be discreet enough to where the other toolboxer cant tell what they did to help them.

[Ezel]

i'd be up for that

[Istoprocent1]

istoprocent in this thread: FREE WILL IS A MYTH

I vill get milked, I vill stay in body and I vill be happy, otherwise it would be a red flag and requires ironic pranks.

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[Higgin]

nothing about rushing the vault for gamer gear every round is or should be protected. you get stung doing it and not being interested to play outside of being able to do it. it's persistent, lame, and involves messing with the vault (source of several antag targets) preemptively and then leaving the round when you can't after otherwise failing to roll antag.

it's not a game you're playing with admins here. it's a game you're making lamer for other players and then showing no interest in playing with them when you can't do that.

a year expiration is nice and will hopefully pass uneventfully for them

why did this peanut hit 200 posts

[MrStonedOne]

Everybody involved is being a fuckass.

Admins had no way of knowing the player felt metagrunged

The player was likely jumping to that conclusion too quickly.

But

Each of the two suicides was reasonable. It was reasonable to think their was no point continuing the round during the hos arrest. It was reasonable to want to exit the round because they though they were being targeted by a bully.

The player not liking the implication otherwise was reasonable.

Everybody in this thread suggesting otherwise is a fuck ass.

Everybody harping on the player for defending the suicide point is being a bully.

I want admins to be very careful how much they read into players suiciding or ghosting. This game has given me social anxiety before that I had to ghost. This game has triggered my anger management issues before requiring an immediate disengage. We want players to ghost when shit gets to be too much.

Casting that in the light of them being a sore loser is dangerous.

[TheRex9001]

The suicide/ghosting focus of this peanut/ban still feels a bit weird, the issue is them just rushing the vault every shift for the drip and makarov. This is like when the c-plot becomes the a-plot.

[MooCow12]

Being arrested and ghosting/suicide usually isnt dodging rp its dodging those shitty grudge match moments where you have someone in a cod lobby t-bagging your corpse while your camera is still stuck to your body.


And I dont think admins should be trying to purposefully engineer a condition to find the circumstances in which a player no longer finds a round fun enough and wants to exit, there are less harmful and intrusive ways to observe someone's behavior even if you have to do it silently as anything you do end up doing can destroy the trust that the player has for the administration.


Even giving a traitor a special objective to quickly loot the vault of its contents would have been more flavorful and less damning than completely oocly deleting items from the game.

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

Everybody involved is being a fuckass.

Admins had no way of knowing the player felt metagrunged

The player was likely jumping to that conclusion too quickly.

But

Each of the two suicides was reasonable. It was reasonable to think their was no point continuing the round during the hos arrest. It was reasonable to want to exit the round because they though they were being targeted by a bully.

The player not liking the implication otherwise was reasonable.

Everybody in this thread suggesting otherwise is a fuck ass.

Everybody harping on the player for defending the suicide point is being a bully.

I want admins to be very careful how much they read into players suiciding or ghosting. This game has given me social anxiety before that I had to ghost. This game has triggered my anger management issues before requiring an immediate disengage. We want players to ghost when shit gets to be too much.

Casting that in the light of them being a sore loser is dangerous.

I can say that I find it a completely reasonable opinion that when they thought they were being metagrudged by an adminfriend they should be able to leave the game. There are situations I probably should have expelled my ghost from my body recently too, like that recent eyeball torture debacle.

However, on what grounds do you defend the hos arrest one? Per the logs, the Captain did not decide to execute him prior to him ghosting, and the HoS most assuredly did NOT torture or grief him, despite the appealant's repeated claims otherwise. His fate was not set in stone, and he put in ZERO effort to defend himself to the Captain. In addition, his logs do not come across at ALL like someone suffering from some sort of anxiety attack or being put in an uncomfortable RP situation, they entirely look like someone frustrated their gimmick got ruined.

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[2024-04-11 14:45:05.072] GAME-EMOTE: 14:45:05.072] GAME-EMOTE: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) points at Bugi (Storage Wing (83,157,2))
[2024-04-11 14:45:30.387] GAME-EMOTE: 14:45:30.387] GAME-EMOTE: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) points at the full tile reinforced window (Storage Wing (83,159,2))
[2024-04-11 14:48:21.521] GAME-EMOTE: 14:48:21.521] GAME-EMOTE: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) points at the floor (Vault (83,162,2))
[2024-04-11 14:48:23.790] GAME-SAY: 14:48:23.790] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "Why?" (Vault (83,162,2))
[2024-04-11 14:48:35.695] GAME-SAY: 14:48:35.695] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "Let me get my things." (Vault (83,162,2))
[2024-04-11 14:48:43.140] GAME-SAY: 14:48:43.140] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "The drip." (Vault (83,162,2))
[2024-04-11 14:48:51.082] GAME-SAY: 14:48:51.082] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "Close the door." (Vault (83,161,2))
[2024-04-11 14:48:57.493] GAME-SAY: 14:48:57.493] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "Let me get my things." (Vault (83,161,2))
[2024-04-11 14:49:34.484] GAME-SAY: 14:49:34.484] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "Get my usual drip and then help crew." (Vault (83,162,2))
[2024-04-11 14:49:49.470] GAME-SAY: 14:49:49.470] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "Just uncuff me and let me get my stuff." (Vault (84,162,2))
[2024-04-11 14:49:58.284] GAME-SAY: 14:49:58.284] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "I don't come here if I want to be a bad guy." (Vault (82,161,2))
[2024-04-11 14:50:24.797] GAME-SAY: 14:50:24.797] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "Or you can be a complete shitlord and just loot me. That works as well." (Vault (83,161,2))
[2024-04-11 14:50:30.562] GAME-SAY: 14:50:30.562] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "Baton." (Vault (83,162,2))
[2024-04-11 14:50:57.138] GAME-SAY: 14:50:57.138] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "Part of larp." (Vault (83,162,2))
[2024-04-11 14:51:36.448] GAME-SAY: 14:51:36.448] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "Why are we wasting time here? Either just kill me or let me get my things. This is pointless." (Vault (83,161,2))
[2024-04-11 14:51:46.491] GAME-SAY: 14:51:46.491] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "You are being a shitlord." (Vault (83,162,2))
[2024-04-11 14:51:54.746] GAME-SAY: 14:51:54.746] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "Sure, go for it." (Vault (83,162,2))
[2024-04-11 14:54:27.605] GAME-SAY: 14:54:27.605] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "HoS is being a cringelord." (Holding Cell (117,163,2))
[2024-04-11 14:54:40.833] GAME-SAY: 14:54:40.833] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "Just looted me and policing fun." (Holding Cell (117,163,2))
[2024-04-11 14:54:53.404] GAME-SAY: 14:54:53.404] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "Either give me my stuff back or just kill me." (Holding Cell (117,163,2))
[2024-04-11 14:55:06.637] GAME-SAY: 14:55:06.637] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "This experience has been shit already and I am not interested in keeping it going." (Holding Cell (117,163,2))
[2024-04-11 14:56:58.570] GAME-SAY: 14:56:58.570] GAME-SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) "Anton, know that you are a cringelord and I was never a traitor." (Holding Cell (117,163,2))
[2024-04-11 14:57:02.203] GAME: 14:57:02.203] GAME: *no key*/(Krokodil) (mob_3421) *no key*/(Krokodil) is no longer owning mob Krokodil(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Holding Cell (117,163,2))
[2024-04-11 14:57:02.204] GAME-ACCESS: 14:57:02.204] GAME-ACCESS: Mob Login: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer (mob_4329)
[2024-04-11 14:57:02.228] GAME: 14:57:02.228] GAME: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_4329) Client Istoprocent/(Krokodil) has taken ownership of mob Krokodil(/mob/dead/observer) (Holding Cell (117,163,2))

I'm sorry MSO but this fundamentally DOES look like him being a sore loser to me.

[Ezel]

Being arrested and ghosting/suicide usually isnt dodging rp its dodging those shitty grudge match moments where you have someone in a cod lobby t-bagging your corpse while your camera is still stuck to your body.


And I dont think admins should be trying to purposefully engineer a condition to find the circumstances in which a player no longer finds a round fun enough and wants to exit, there are less harmful and intrusive ways to observe someone's behavior even if you have to do it silently as anything you do end up doing can destroy the trust that the player has for the administration.


Even giving a traitor a special objective to quickly loot the vault of its contents would have been more flavorful and less damning than completely oocly deleting items from the game.

You ghost as soon sec arrests you for breaking into eva

Unused and free mats are not a reason to break into eva

[MooCow12]

Yes they are because a round only lasts 30 minutes and the station not having metal and glass for the first 10 minutes before miners get back from their first trip is a third of the round where i cant do anything


Its not even a gimmick its a necessary part of the gameplay loop for any job that is reliant on matt usage.

[Ezel]

You ghost over a stack of metal you can litteraly order at cargo ur even worse

[Jacquerel]

why do people even bother arguing that a round only lasts 30 minutes when we record stats about how long rounds last
Sybil can get some short ones but looking at the most recent chart the average is still like 95 minutes

[MooCow12]

why do people even bother arguing that a round only lasts 30 minutes when we record stats about how long rounds last
Sybil can get some short ones but looking at the most recent chart the average is still like 95 minutes

Because every round I play doesnt last 95 minutes its always shuttle red alert call pre 40, i wouldnt doubt the low pop rounds are kicking up the avg

also did they finally fix the fact that the timer in a round starts counting before the round actually start because usually a round starts around 3-4 minutes in which can already take 5-10% of a round timer, does it continue counting after shuttle docks at centcomm?


Another disconnect is I don't wholeheartedly count the 2 or 3 minutes after the shuttle launches depending on the context of the arguement, most of the content is on the station itself, as soon as the shuttle docks and then launches in most cases all of that content and progress becomes halted and is irrelevant, the timer ends and everything that is going to happen will happen right then and there which is about another 3%-4% ish of 90 minutes

For example , if content was gated behind a certain time frame to get, it wouldnt be much use to you if you just got it as shuttle docked and it was something thats not useful on shuttle.


Take engie borgs for example, they do not get the ability to build machines until very late into the round, machines are not as important on shuttles, atmos and the actual structure of the shuttles are important. But if the round is still going you have so many opportunities to build so many things the game opens up to you.

[RedBaronFlyer]

Everybody involved is being a fuckass.

Admins had no way of knowing the player felt metagrunged

The player was likely jumping to that conclusion too quickly.

But

Each of the two suicides was reasonable. It was reasonable to think their was no point continuing the round during the hos arrest. It was reasonable to want to exit the round because they though they were being targeted by a bully.

The player not liking the implication otherwise was reasonable.

Everybody in this thread suggesting otherwise is a fuck ass.

Everybody harping on the player for defending the suicide point is being a bully.

I want admins to be very careful how much they read into players suiciding or ghosting. This game has given me social anxiety before that I had to ghost. This game has triggered my anger management issues before requiring an immediate disengage. We want players to ghost when shit gets to be too much.

Casting that in the light of them being a sore loser is dangerous.

fresh off the presses

[dendydoom]

alright, you've all had your fun. the appeal is resolved, go and catch up on your daily dose of the gupta corner.