Rulebending racist retard rages rigorously

[Timonk]

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[Timonk]

- Cunt
- Idiot
- retard
- retard
- cunt
- dumbfuck
- mongaloid (yes, i spelled it how he did)
- ligger
- retard
- mother fucker
TLDR i would have been permabanned from goon if i did this

[Constellado]

It's not the first time he got angry and would start spouting insults. He looks like he has major anger issues. It does not look and feel IC at all. Don't even try to tell him to not do something after he does it as a superior IC. He will not listen.

A big chunk of Manuel has NOT been wanting him there because of his behaviour.

The only way I can see him staying without getting permabanned by something eventually is if he changed his static, name and all and fixed the anger problems.

[carshalash]

The only way I can see him staying without getting permabanned by something eventually is if he changed his static, name and all and fixed the anger problems.

He already has changed his 'static'. He was a fucking moron and kept the appearance so everyone instantly knew it was him.

[AsbestosSniffer]

I'm honestly surprised he didn't ahelp this situation himself and then open an admin complaint when it didn't go his way again.

[carshalash]

Wait, hold the phone.

He can write full sentences?

[Blacklist897]

I just dont play manny when hes on
because I'm just going to get metagrudged again

[Constellado]

If he can make a character that acts like he does to admins he would be more liked.

But even then...

He is very very much missing the entire point here. He is playing by the rules only, and is not seeing *why* he got banned. He got banned for being a big old asshole. He can only defend rule 11 but not rule 1. There is a way to play an asshole character that is fun for all involved and feels IC. That is not how you do it. Calling a person a retard every time they disagree is very low effort and just looks OOC. I don't care if you had IC reasoning for it, in my opinion what he did was too far.

[Blacklist897]

this dude is a banbaiting asshole who screams retard at you ic and then acts all woe is me in ahelps

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

"Appo Martin"

I am not surprised at all. I distinctly remember saying a week and a half ago that I felt like he was going to be QC banned or something.

Anyway, I'm surprised MSO is letting the "ligger = racism" thing stand? Is it because of the overall context of the entire situation, or what? Since I know he explicitly protected the term.

[MrStonedOne]

if you use ligger in a context that seems out of place and more fitting for the n-word you are gonna have a bad time.

Using it on a human (regardless of skincolor) smells like you are just using it as a stand in the n-word, as a random insult to be thrown around to get a reaction. at that point it stops being speciesism and stops fitting under the exception for ic species-ism.

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

Makes sense, thanks for the clarification MSO.

[RedBaronFlyer]

I swear always only realize that some player I can't even recall was a massive dickhead after they got banned and everyone comes out with their horror stories with said player.

I guess it helps that I stick to solitary jobs. The only guy I was 100% expecting to get banned was that one guy who's entire character being a doctor (or something) and baiting people with IC racism to the point of absurdity. IIRC that was the guy that ended up being stuffed into a bodybag and intentionally forgotten in the morgue or something. If ALL of medbay is willing to let your corpse rot you really done goofed somewhere along the way.

[RedBaronFlyer]

The only guy I was 100% expecting to get banned was that one guy who's entire character being a doctor (or something) and baiting people with IC racism to the point of absurdity. IIRC that was the guy that ended up being stuffed into a bodybag and intentionally forgotten in the morgue or something. If ALL of medbay is willing to let your corpse rot you really done goofed somewhere along the way.

OH WAIT IT WAS THE SAME GUY AHAHAHAHA
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[Constellado]

The only guy I was 100% expecting to get banned was that one guy who's entire character being a doctor (or something) and baiting people with IC racism to the point of absurdity. IIRC that was the guy that ended up being stuffed into a bodybag and intentionally forgotten in the morgue or something. If ALL of medbay is willing to let your corpse rot you really done goofed somewhere along the way.

OH WAIT IT WAS THE SAME GUY AHAHAHAHA
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HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAH

How is he still here.

[Timonk]

i would do this but to moths because currently thats like half the crew on terry

[AsbestosSniffer]

This one man hates lizards more than Shepard hates Batarians

[Drag]

Fuck this guy

[EmpressMaia]

We need to restore order to tg...

[Timonk]

Fuck this guy

hell no wtf

[carshalash]

- Cunt

What's wrong with saying cunt?

[MooCow12]

What is their ic name tho


Also I feel like this is gonna result in "ligger" being turned into a banned word if its not being used for its purpose which is to kill bait lizards

[AsbestosSniffer]

- Cunt

What's wrong with saying cunt?

Nothing, people call others cunts plenty of times on /tg/, it's the other insults that landed Avaster in hot water.

[PapaMichael]

cunt is like the meanest word that isn't a racial slur for some of us non-oceaniacs
and then for them it's just what you call everyone

[Bepis]

Fuck is fun, but it's so overused. I used to say fuck/fuckin' as a buffering word to think of what I actually wanted to say. You can really draw out the F, just let it hiss through your teeth.

Cunt is probably my favorite word, period. Starts out strong, and that ending T in the word really helps stick the landing.

[Justice12354]

Also I feel like this is gonna result in "ligger" being turned into a banned word if its not being used for its purpose which is to kill bait lizards

Unless MSO picks a new host or he wakes up someday and decides that his whole life has been a lie, "ligger" is here to stay

[Omega_DarkPotato]

This one man hates lizards more than Shepard hates Batarians

ok but is it more than Admiral Hackett's hate for Batarians

[RedBaronFlyer]

Also I feel like this is gonna result in "ligger" being turned into a banned word if its not being used for its purpose which is to kill bait lizards

Unless MSO picks a new host or he wakes up someday and decides that his whole life has been a lie, "ligger" is here to stay

At least on Manuel, ligger might as well be banned. I've rarely seen someone say it without getting their head slammed into a table to the point of breaking both.

[PapaMichael]

Out of curiosity, are there any other rules/diktats on the server entirely from MSO aside from the ligger thing?

[Jacquerel]

Also I feel like this is gonna result in "ligger" being turned into a banned word if its not being used for its purpose which is to kill bait lizards

Unless MSO picks a new host or he wakes up someday and decides that his whole life has been a lie, "ligger" is here to stay

At least on Manuel, ligger might as well be banned. I've rarely seen someone say it without getting their head slammed into a table to the point of breaking both.

Being met with IC consequences I think isn't the same as it being banned. If it was banned you'd have your head slammed by an admin, not another player.

[Vekter]

Out of curiosity, are there any other rules/diktats on the server entirely from MSO aside from the ligger thing?

The ligger thing is more out of his wish for a separation between bigotry and species-ism as well as not explicitly banning the use of words but how they're used.

For instance: I can call myself a faggot here because that word isn't banned and I'm not being bigoted by doing so (I'm bisexual). If I did that on Goon, I would be banned. If I call someone else a faggot, I run the risk of being banned here, since that's bigoted.

That's really the only mandate I can think of that's relevant rules-wise. He's had a few codebase mandates before (not removing viruses from the game was a pretty contentious one) but the only real rules one is "Don't ban words, ban using them in bigoted contexts".

[Higgin]

I generally tend to qualify anything about the use of slurs with "in anger" because as Vekter points up, intent and context are what matter here - the disposition of bigotry or prejudice - not the words themselves.

that said, I also tend to avoid using even the ones that I might apply to myself or share with friends in a non-bigoted sense (like using homophobic terms to self-describe as a matter of self-acceptance or reclaiming them) because it's a bad practice to keep when you don't know your audience and they don't know you -

if you've gotten hit with hate crimes and sincere bigotry, it's not likely to help you feel safe in a space to come in and see the same repertoire being used without the context. it creates a grey area in which those who might hold prejudices can smuggle them in and get the impression they're allowed to act out or express them here when they're not.

this isn't the rule - this is just my personal philosophy about it. if you're going to use them, save your slurs for use only with your intimates and interrogate why you might be using them in the first place.

[RedBaronFlyer]

Also I feel like this is gonna result in "ligger" being turned into a banned word if its not being used for its purpose which is to kill bait lizards

Unless MSO picks a new host or he wakes up someday and decides that his whole life has been a lie, "ligger" is here to stay

At least on Manuel, ligger might as well be banned. I've rarely seen someone say it without getting their head slammed into a table to the point of breaking both.

Being met with IC consequences I think isn't the same as it being banned. If it was banned you'd have your head slammed by an admin, not another player.

True, but I would argue that with the intensity that it is enforced on manuel by it's population it might as well be a ban there at least, at least to a limited extent.

Ligger is still 100% cringe; at least be original if you're going to be discriminatory.

I generally tend to qualify anything about the use of slurs with "in anger" because as Vekter points up, intent and context are what matter here - the disposition of bigotry or prejudice - not the words themselves.

that said, I also tend to avoid using even the ones that I might apply to myself or share with friends in a non-bigoted sense (like using homophobic terms to self-describe as a matter of self-acceptance or reclaiming them) because it's a bad practice to keep when you don't know your audience and they don't know you -

if you've gotten hit with hate crimes and sincere bigotry, it's not likely to help you feel safe in a space to come in and see the same repertoire being used without the context. it creates a grey area in which those who might hold prejudices can smuggle them in and get the impression they're allowed to act out or express them here when they're not.

this isn't the rule - this is just my personal philosophy about it. if you're going to use them, save your slurs for use only with your intimates and interrogate why you might be using them in the first place.

Admittedly I've let lose a few "tard" and "retard" insults in anger for someone being incredibly and recklessly stupid ingame but I try to limit it.

[NecromancerAnne]

True, but I would argue that with the intensity that it is enforced on manuel by it's population it might as well be a ban there at least, at least to a limited extent.

Ligger is still 100% cringe; at least be original if you're going to be discriminatory.

If players choose to utilize the rules available to robust their fellow players into compliance, who am I to argue with them and what they want for the community? The person who said it got what they were hoping for. A reaction. And the person responding is entitled to dole out that reaction in according degrees of escalation. If it means the culture shifts, good for us I say.

[DaydreamIQ]

Just call the lizards something creative. It took me forever to realise AI gets to call them Taildraggers with Vox and I find it immensely funny that was included over the lazy option

[vect0r]

Can we R9 this guy?

[Maxipat]

Who do I even ask for the "objective opinion"....

[PapaMichael]

my objective opinion is that this guy sucks, is utterly toxic ic to the point of it no longer being justifiable under the pretenses of "ic", absolutely knew what he was doing, and was incredibly lucky to get off with 4 days
you can send my check in the mail

[Jacquerel]

but if nothing I've said will change/has changed your opinion I'd rather get an outside perspective / objective opinion to the situation. hope you understand

Hello, I am an outside perspective.
I think that the ban should be retained and also that your bed should be filled with sand. Thank you.

[PapaMichael]

too slow and i did it better nerd

[Jacquerel]

too slow and i did it better nerd

you werent objective enough

[MooCow12]

My objective opinion is the color purple looks the coolest

[Constellado]

4 days???

Fuck this I was hoping for a whole week of peace.

Noooo
My friends are going to dissapear again.

[carshalash]

Just call the lizards something creative. It took me forever to realise AI gets to call them Taildraggers with Vox and I find it immensely funny that was included over the lazy option

He was calling a human a ligger.

So, just like usual, we all know what he is doing, but for some reason, we're being forced to be ignorant of his garbage behaviour.

[PKPenguin321]

who cares
who cares
who cares
who cares
i saw that his was a peanuit thread in the OP and immediately stopped reading i did not read any of your posts you are all to be shamed for still doing this it has been a decade get a job

[PKPenguin321]

fucking locked