Stripping players naked and other security things

[rdght91]

Bottom post of the previous page:

While the wiki generally tells security players not to do this shit, in practice, it isn't against the rules for security to steal from people, jail for really petty things, hit people with excessive sentences, confiscate IDs, harmbaton, flash and stun compliant and restrained people, bucklecuff, add time randomly, ignore mitigating factors, etc even when they don't warrant it. And the problem is, if you retaliate in kind as a non head/sec to a person who is being shitty as a security officer, you 1. are probably going to lose and 2. give them a valid reason to be even shittier or even perma. When a security officer is toeing the line, there should be some system that first warns them to tone it down and then if they continue encourages rev or greytide like behavior as a counterplay to it. Because in practice, while security is generally far, far better than it was a long time ago, they're not much you can do if you're wronged by a security officer because the HOS is generally too busy and admins are not often going to intervene.

[Stan_Studnick]

I have had the most success with having a reputation for being fair to begin with and then immediately escalating if provoked. Rarely people fucked with me because they knew I'd start bashing their head in the moment they made me chase them. (I don't think I'm very robust, so I had to take extra measures to apprehend) I've put more people in crit arresting them because they did something stupid like (usually) trying to disarm me, and then when they got their asses healed they woke up inside a cell wearing orange. I regularly reduced brig sentences if people were cooperative and sometimes I managed to just cuff people without stunning or flashing them, though I was always ready at a moment's notice to harmbaton them until they pissed themselves. I think a balance of being seen as fair and friendly and also being extremely cautious and careful with prisoners is the best way to do it, and convincing somebody to willingly go to the brig is very satisfying.

Most of the time bad things happen because nobody's listening to somebody who has a problem, so they act out. If you don't have authority to do something take it to the HoS or captain, especially if it's a complaint about a bad department head. I see the sec officer's job as somebody who enforces the law, preserves order, and protects the crew, so talking with the captain, HoS, and HoP a lot when you see potential problems is a good thing to do. They'll appreciate you letting them know of a brewing situation, it makes dealing with it much easier.

[rdght91]

Could the lawyer have a special channel to the "Centcom Safety and Accountability Department" and make handling complaints against security as part of their job? That'd solve this issue AND give the lawyer something to do and would be a great way to have funny mini-events.

This thread is not about security in general- It's about how low-ranked players could deal with an overzealous or abusive officer without admin intervention. Please keep it on topic.

[DemonFiren]

Give him a fax machine that PMs #adminbus.
Or add a fax function to his requests console.

[Scones]

Could the lawyer have a special channel to the "Centcom Safety and Accountability Department" and make handling complaints against security as part of their job? That'd solve this issue AND give the lawyer something to do and would be a great way to have funny mini-events.

This thread is not about security in general- It's about how low-ranked players could deal with an overzealous or abusive officer without admin intervention. Please keep it on topic.

No, because the fucking Lawyer does not even have Brig rights if Security chooses to revoke them.

People need to stop pushing this idea.

[rdght91]

Could the lawyer have a special channel to the "Centcom Safety and Accountability Department" and make handling complaints against security as part of their job? That'd solve this issue AND give the lawyer something to do and would be a great way to have funny mini-events.

This thread is not about security in general- It's about how low-ranked players could deal with an overzealous or abusive officer without admin intervention. Please keep it on topic.

No, because the fucking Lawyer does not even have Brig rights if Security chooses to revoke them.

People need to stop pushing this idea.

What does that have to do with anything? Lawyers are subordinate to the HOS. If they choose, part of their job can be handling IC complaints against security, forwarding them to the HOS if they believe the complaint is valid, or getting Centcom Inspectors on station.

[Malkevin]

They're actually under the HoP

Funfact: lawyers were created because people wanted to play ambulance chasers but couldn't be arsed queuing up at the HoP line every round, they've never had any authority in the brig and never will because sec has the guns. Lawyers getting brig access was a dumb idea.

[Scones]

They're not subordinate to the HoS, HoS does not even have law office access

[Tornadium]

You are literally the worst HoS i've ever seen Scones.

[DemonFiren]

Tornadium, quit your bitching, you haven't even seen JLP then.

[Tornadium]

Tornadium, quit your bitching, you haven't even seen JLP then.

I've seen JLP.

I'd prefer JLP

[Scones]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXhcekI7lp4

[DemonFiren]

Please, for the love of God, put up a warning, that shit is NSFL.