What *is* Secs' Job

Antimattercarp · Tue Oct 07, 2014 10:47 pm

Every other department on the station has a nice clear job to do except for sec.
Engineering: Makes sure things run
Medical: Makes sure people work
Service: Makes sure people run
Sci: Make things
Supply: Get things
Command: Make sure that their departments do their jobs, die in a remote corner
Security: Solve IC disputes? Combat traitors? Combat ops?

So what exactly is official policy for what secs' main job is?

Stickymayhem · Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:17 pm

Keep the station kind of going.

To prevent the small fight between two people turning into murder. To prevent the antag from killing literally everyone without resistance. To toss away disruptive crewmembers. To help people with disputes and basically be a tool of brute force to be used by the heads when needed.

Theoretically that should happen. More commonly they are people with guns and the objective: "Deny all greentext"

Psyentific · Post by **Psyentific** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:18 pm #34600

Medbay keeps the crew alive. Security keeps the crew safe.
Space Law is a rough guide on how to keep the crew safe.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:02 am #34629

Security's job is to apply baton to unfunny clowns.

For reference. There are no funny clowns.

Psyentific · Post by **Psyentific** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:06 am #34632

cedarbridge wrote:For reference. There are no funny clowns.

More than anything else, that's due to clown being a quasi-pass to griff.

Pandarsenic · Post by **Pandarsenic** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:33 am #34672

Sec's job is to keep people safe and maintain a semblance of public order.

Lo6a4evskiy · Post by **Lo6a4evskiy** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:46 am #34675

^pretty much, yeah

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:45 am #34692

Dunking antags

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:50 am #34695

To stop the antags

(Or what Pandar said)

Kangaraptor · Post by **Kangaraptor** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:35 am #34698

Steelpoint wrote:To stop the antags

(Or what Pandar said)

TURN BACK THE ASSISTANTS

Incomptinence · Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:22 am

Their job is to maintain order yes. Just the amount of order that needs to be maintained varies wildly. Antagonists are the treats between regular criminals you need to treat with kid gloves, well obvious traitors expect the same treatment but most types of dedicated antagonists get killed in some manner.

Raven776 · Post by **Raven776** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 11:59 am #34754

Engineering's job: To set up the engine and then float around in hardsuits between dreaming about your next autism fort.
Medbay's Job: To sit around and sigh because the cargo techs and assistants decide to push their way in, steal things, and operate medbay equipment making MDs entirely obsolete.
Cargo's Job: To hack everything they own, order things they don't need, and pretend to fill out orders while ignoring anything that takes more than a five step walk to the autolathe.
Science's Job: To do R&D for the sole purpose of upgrading the cloner and giving the miners a diamond drill, everything else comes awkwardly afterwards. To abuse telescience calculators to steal things and invade other Z-layers. Slimes.
Service's Job: To amass an array of job related tools capable of killing someone and then going on the search to do just that.
Security's Job: To hunt antags and put anyone in jail that interrupts your hunt for antags.

Psyentific · Post by **Psyentific** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:23 pm #34758

You forgot the part about jailing anybody that tries to help you hunt antags.

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:31 pm #34759

remove antag and non-antag dicks from the round permanently with no regret

I am however of the staunchest belief in sec's unspoken obligation to let anything that isn't dickish slide. Several minute brig sentences are a laughable deterrence and a quick heartfelt chat discussing how harmbatons can be violently inserted into the bodily crevices of repeat minor offenders always seems to garner more respect and obedience from rowdy crew who only get more angry if they have to go braindead for a bit in a brig cell.

tldr- Sec is there to ruin the fun of people who are ruining the fun of others.

Reimoo · Post by **Reimoo** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:28 pm #34777

IC wise they're there to make sure everyone is doing their jobs and to maintain order.

OOC wise they're a necessary presence to counter antags.

But unfortunately some people don't understand the difference.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:34 pm #34779

Too bad sec never punishes people for not doing their jobs. Fucking yellow tide.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:39 pm #34790

Security of the crew.

Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:09 am #34924

paprika wrote:Too bad sec never punishes people for not doing their jobs. Fucking yellow tide.

If the CE askes for aid in demoting someone, then sec may help. Or if the head is terrible, then the captain may want secs help to deal with them.

Psyentific · Post by **Psyentific** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:38 am #34937

paprika wrote:Too bad sec never punishes people for not doing their jobs. Fucking yellow tide.

Actually I just did that last night. Full sub-assistant demotion and everything

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:23 pm #35052

In simplest terms they're our go-to antag hunters.

In a perfect world they'd be the frontline against your xeno's/cultists/nuke ops while the rest of the crew supported them by equipping them with super genetic powaz, shinier guns, etc.
If SS13 was an XCOM base, security would be your operatives and everyone else is prettymuch exactly what they say on the label, just with different in-game purposes.

In practice though, they run around catching common criminals and stumbling across antags. Which summons the rest of the crew who've been hording up whatever weapons they could produce for themselves to appear and cause a huge clusterfuck. Geneticist hulk punching a changeling while a scientist fires laser beams all over the place.

So sec is like our hall monitors and our initial line of defense against bum-rushing threats, but after 15-20 minutes into the round when powers have been discovered and new weapons can be produced or ordered in crates their status as our go-to antag hunters wanes a bit and they become more like some kind of twisted mall security guards of the future.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:26 pm #35054

In my experience, according to Anon's post, it tends to be only a handful of people with those "special" toys unless the Geneticist is going nuts again.

One of Security's greatest advantages is that they inherently cooperate with one another, this sets them leagues ahead of any other department and most antags. Even if Security was reduced to stun prods, cable cuffs and a sloppily painted red shirt they would still be far more effective than the RD running around with a Durand or the CMO with his special cocktail in most cases.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:34 pm #35056

This always depends on who's at the head. A good HoS either leading from the bridge or the front while the warden (and maybe a secborg) coordinate from cameras goes a long way to making sec the well-oiled fighting force its often called to be.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:06 pm #35750

Security's job?

To make little boys cry

QuartzCrystal · Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:27 pm

cedarbridge wrote:the warden (and maybe a secborg) coordinate from cameras

No one uses security cameras anymore.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:55 pm #35757

I miss being able set my camera to Beepsky and laugh as he robusts an unsuspecting victim.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:56 pm #35758

Malkevin wrote:I miss being able set my camera to Beepsky and laugh as he robusts an unsuspecting victim.

I put forward a suggestion to place a video camera on each individual Officers helmet/armour to allow the Warden to watch them from afar.

Also, being able to watch Beepsky seems awesome.

Reimoo · Post by **Reimoo** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:00 pm #35767

QuartzCrystal wrote: No one uses security cameras anymore.

That's because security cameras are clunky and annoying to use.

At least add directional arrows to change the cameras or something, I mean honestly.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:24 pm #35784

Its been suggested for a long time to give the cameras a ability akin to the AI eye.

Erisian · Post by **Erisian** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:57 pm #35789

Steelpoint wrote:Its been suggested for a long time to give the cameras a ability akin to the AI eye.

That'd be a lot more useful, or like the other guy said, at least directional arrows to keep switching around. As it is you have to keep going down this long list of cameras, and by the time you scroll down to find the one you need, odds are the suspect's already gone. It's pretty much useless for finding anyone or tracking people to give security adequate, up to date information on where a suspect is. People get around far faster than people can switch cameras manually.

Incomptinence · Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:42 pm

Like most lists in the game you can use a letter key to jump to cameras names starting with that letter. Needing to run from your computer like it is haunted to stop using it quickly is annoying though.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:10 pm #35812

QuartzCrystal wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:the warden (and maybe a secborg) coordinate from cameras
No one uses security cameras anymore.

That's strange then since that's where I spent most of my shift as warden and often as detective as well. Especially since borgs have built in cameras I can track (that they often forget about.)

callanrockslol · Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:42 am

Give cameras the old AI vision that threw them from camera to camera when they looked around instead of the freelook thing we have now, that would make it sorta work

highlow · Post by **highlow** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:52 am #36459

imblyings wrote:Sec is there to ruin the fun of people who are ruining the fun of others

Pretty much this. I'll look the other way on victimless crimes most of the time. If someone is breaking the law and also being a dick to people I'll arrest them and try to explain why they are being arrested and why their behavior was worthy of being arrested. I've always had a decent success rate when I try to level with someone and talk to them.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:40 am #36480

Sometimes if you just stop someone and ask for whatever they've stolen back in return for not arresting them you can resolve everything right there.

That's if you can get them to stop and actually talk for a second without them turning and sprinting away from you as soon as they see the red jumpsuit.

If they steal it again, well, that's a paddlin'.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:38 pm #36615

An0n3 wrote:Sometimes if you just stop someone and ask for whatever they've stolen back in return for not arresting them you can resolve everything right there.

That's if you can get them to stop and actually talk for a second without them turning and sprinting away from you as soon as they see the red jumpsuit.

If they steal it again, well, that's a paddlin'.

I've been mid-cuff removal on some guy I was going to set loose early for some minor offense only to have them push me over and sax out of the brig. And then they wonder why I'm batoning them again. Some people, man.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:50 pm #36627

Those are the people you drag off to a back room and harm baton nine times

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:20 pm #36650

HELP ADMINS I'M BEING OPPRESSED

callanrockslol · Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:03 am

paprika wrote:HELP ADMINS I'M BEING OPPRESSED

Nobody ever complains when I summarily execute them

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:00 am #36821

Malkevin wrote:Those are the people you drag off to a back room and harm baton nine times

For bonus points: Distribute the hits to as many different locations as possible, that way they cant just run to the fighting ring and slap a bandage on their booboo and be right back to full health

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:51 pm #36884

Hitting different locations is a sign that you care enough about the person to make the beating extra special.

#justSS13things

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:30 pm #36946

Malkevin wrote:
Malkevin wrote:Those are the people you drag off to a back room and harm baton nine times
For bonus points: Distribute the hits to as many different locations as possible, that way they cant just run to the fighting ring and slap a bandage on their booboo and be right back to full health

Although, the harmbaton does 15 damage. 15 x 9.... Their comatose near-corpse is entirely at your mercy.

Incomptinence · Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:05 pm

No it is 10. TEN! TEEEEEN!

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:29 pm #36964

Incomptinence wrote:No it is 10. TEN! TEEEEEN!

Inconceivable. Buff it immediately.

callanrockslol · Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:44 pm

> not carrying around a circular saw to beat your victims

I bet you usee cuffs instead of critdrag

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:01 am #37627

Cipher3 wrote:
Incomptinence wrote:No it is 10. TEN! TEEEEEN!
Inconceivable. Buff it immediately.

>buff harmbatons to toolbox damage

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:59 pm #37679

Toolboxes are also 10. Syndie toolboxes are 15.