nukularpower wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 6:59 pm
Just chiming in here to say that lately I've noticed the tiding on manuel to be getting super extreme, especially in science - its fairly common to see both Genetics and the RND office windows smashed in by the 15 min mark. On TG, 10 mins in the brig is the max you can EVER do, and half the time, security officers are the ones doing the tiding. On the other hand, on Paradise station, breaking into a department and stealing is grounds to do at least 10 and up to 20 mins of brig time, or to be perma'd if you keep doing it.
I guess my point should be fairly obvious but in case its not: I feel like security should be less afraid to arrest tiders, especially the well-known ones that do that sort of thing non-stop. Make it an IC issue!
It's super bad in cargo. For some reason, PRs to make the ORM be welded to the ground constantly get shot down. As a result, people just tide into cargo via unscrewing the ORM. It's way worse because if you try and be kind by moving the autolathe out into the lobby, they'll just print out a wrench there and push the form aside. This is super noticeable on Metastation, Icebox, and Birdshot. Delta, and Northstar are fine, because the form is linked to a room that doesn't have access to an ordering console.
I have regularly seen people unwrench the orm, steal the medkit/donkpocket boxes, then leave wordlessly. Sometimes they even steal the cargo mech or the cargo modsuit. It's obnoxious as shit and it feels like it's way worse than it was last year. Paramedics and assistants have become absolutely obnoxious with the level of tiding happening. Most rounds I play now regularly have 5+ tiding incidents. It's super obnoxious, and I've regularly come back to cargo after leaving it for a minute or two just to see that some assistants (sometimes even
intern assistants) have tided into cargo and ordered mosins. One round had an assistant and two intern assistants that tided in and were ordering mosins.
Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:50 pm
This isn't really applicable to the thread, but people who are tiding should absolutely be arrested and, if it's something you notice a specific player doing often, you should adminhelp it.
We keep brig timers low because our rounds tend to run shorter than Paradise's IIRC, so we don't want a player spending like 1/5th of their round in the brig if all they've done is a little B&E. We do encourage sec to gulag people for multiple offenses or escalate to permabrig if they feel it's necessary.
The issue is sec will basically not respond to calls about breaking and entering. People move so quickly that even if a sec officer bum rushes from the brig to respond, they'll probably already be too late to actually stop anything. If even a single antag is doing something then security won't even bother trying to respond. You have to pray that you have a department officer that isn't just using your department as a place to get equipment. It's super rare that anyone gets arrested for breaking and entering, and even more rare that the person stops doing it after being arrested. Often times if you force them out or get them arrested, then they'll just come back for revenge (this gets super old after a while)
You could just hit them but that's assuming that you're carrying around an actual weapon (something frowned upon in MRP), I've regularly tried pushing or pulling tiders out of cargo, only for them to respond by tabling me and smashing my head repeatedly with a toolbox, stealing department items, and/or killing department pets in retaliation. Most of the time though they'll just bumrush through the department grabbing stuff because as long as they don't crit/kill anyone, they're technically not breaking any rules, despite being a wordless greytiding gibbon.
Don't even get me started on paramedics, at least assistants are taking a risk by breaking into departments. Paramedics have massive access permissions, and they fully abuse it to take departments stuff. I've only seen a single paramedic ever get in trouble for tiding, and it was after he wordlessly stole two mechs on separate occasions.
There is a shocking amount of individuals that just wordlessly tide, and it's to the point that people just let it happen because they're tired of being beaten up for daring to defend their own department. The best way I'd know how to describe it is that some people who should really be on the LRP servers hang out on the MRP servers because they know the playerbase is way less likely to fight back or be good at fighting.
I'm not demanding that admins smite or boink people who tide but it's been super tiresome with the amount of wordless tiding on manuel recently. I can't wait for summer to be over.