Lower Terry's average threat level.

Turbonerd: Posts: 100; Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:18 pm; Byond Username: AccountName5

Lower Terry's average threat level.

Post by Turbonerd » Mon Nov 06, 2023 7:52 pm #710192

The increased threat average made 70 and even 80 threat rounds become far more common. It's just way too much.

Vekter: In-Game Admin; Posts: 3574; Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:25 pm; Byond Username: Vekter; Location: Fucking around with the engine.

Re: Lower Terry's average threat level.

Post by Vekter » Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:47 pm #710198

I'm one more of these threads away from making one myself asking the headmins not to fuck with threat for the rest of their term.

AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...

Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.

Spoiler:

kinnebian: Posts: 251; Joined: Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:15 pm; Byond Username: Kinnebian; Location: answering irelands call

Re: Lower Terry's average threat level.

Post by kinnebian » Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:53 am #710281

impossible balancing act

respect (let him do his thing)

mazur907: Posts: 8; Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:04 am; Byond Username: Mazur907

Re: Lower Terry's average threat level.

Post by mazur907 » Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:31 am #710288

no

Timberpoes: In-Game Game Master; Posts: 1686; Joined: Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:54 pm; Byond Username: Timberpoes

Re: Lower Terry's average threat level.

Post by Timberpoes » Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:37 pm #710303

I grabbed the stats for the last 171 Terry shifts we have recorded in the feedback database. That's all Terry shifts between 217704 and 218313 inclusive.

The config hasn't been changed for all 171 shifts.

Stats across all 171 shifts, correcting for pop count
If I correct the stats for pop counts, as shifts with less than 20 players linearly reduce the calculated and max threat, then:
Over the past 171 Terry shifts and correcting the threat for pop counts, the average threat is 51 and the median threat is 53.

Just to be certain, since the OP is complaining specifically about high threat levels, I can discard all lowpop shifts from the dataset.

Stats across the 84 higher pop shifts
If I completely exclude the lowpop shifts, that leaves 84 shifts with 20+ players ready shift start, thus the threat is generated up to 100:

There are three recorded shifts where an admin manually set the roundstart threat level:
218196 had its threat forced to 10 by an admin in a 60-pop roundstart shift.
218134 had its threat forced to 66 by an admin in a 55-pop roundstart shift.
217938 had its threat forced to 66 by an admin in a 40-pop roundstart shift.

Over these 84 shifts, the average threat is 54 and the median threat is 53.

46 out of 84 shifts are 50 threat or higher - 54%
36 out of 84 shifts are 60 threat or higher - 42%
26 out of 84 shifts are 70 threat or higher - 30%
18 out of 84 shifts are 80 threat or higher - 21%
7 out of 84 shifts are 90 threat or higher - 8%

The current config biases very, very slightly to the right of 50 threat, so the real world figures match up with the expectations from the config. This is merely an issue of perception.

Raw data:

Spoiler:

/tg/station Codebase Maintainer
/tg/station Game Master/Discord Jannie: Feed me back in my thread.
/tg/station Admin Trainer: Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?
Feb 2022-Sep 2022 Host Vote Headmin
Mar 2023-Sep 2023 Admin Vote Headmin

Turbonerd: Posts: 100; Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:18 pm; Byond Username: AccountName5

Re: Lower Terry's average threat level.

Post by Turbonerd » Tue Nov 07, 2023 3:11 pm #710324

I guess probably due to the dynamic curve changes the variance is a lot higher. Not sure if this is config related anymore.

Cheshify: In-Game Game Master; Posts: 582; Joined: Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:42 pm; Byond Username: Cheshify

Re: Lower Terry's average threat level.

Post by Cheshify » Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:51 am #710434

We currently have a thread about Raising LRP's threat level and lowering Terry's threat level.

This is late stage dynamic.

Shout out to Riggle

Shout out to Dessysalta

Not-Dorsidarf: Posts: 3107; Joined: Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:14 pm; Byond Username: Dorsidwarf; Location: We're all going on an, admin holiday

Re: Lower Terry's average threat level.

Post by Not-Dorsidarf » Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:50 pm #710688

I cant help but wonder if people are just really bad at estimating the threat levels, as even high threat rounds sometimes just dont spend a lot of it, while low threat rounds spiral into wild chaos with only a few antags because thats kinda how ss13 goes sometimes.

kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo

There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.

Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.

Imitates-The-Lizards: Posts: 414; Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:28 am; Byond Username: Typhnox

Re: Lower Terry's average threat level.

Post by Imitates-The-Lizards » Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:51 pm #710689

Cheshify wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:51 am We currently have a thread about Raising LRP's threat level and lowering Terry's threat level.

This is late stage dynamic.

Obviously this means Sybil wants Chaos while Terry wants peace.

Fikou: In-Game Game Master; Posts: 603; Joined: Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:38 am; Byond Username: Fikou; Github Username: Fikou; Location: Dreamland

Re: Lower Terry's average threat level.

Post by Fikou » Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:32 pm #711386

We feel for now leaning slightly to the right of 50 threat like Timberpoes said seems like a good model, seeing stuff like high/low threat round after round is more of an issue with codebase dynamic being pure enclosed RNG without caring about what happened the previous shift.

Fikou, Cheshify, TBM: +1

Do NOT press this button.

Spoiler:

/tg/Station 13