Stripping players naked and other security things

[rdght91]

Bottom post of the previous page:

While the wiki generally tells security players not to do this shit, in practice, it isn't against the rules for security to steal from people, jail for really petty things, hit people with excessive sentences, confiscate IDs, harmbaton, flash and stun compliant and restrained people, bucklecuff, add time randomly, ignore mitigating factors, etc even when they don't warrant it. And the problem is, if you retaliate in kind as a non head/sec to a person who is being shitty as a security officer, you 1. are probably going to lose and 2. give them a valid reason to be even shittier or even perma. When a security officer is toeing the line, there should be some system that first warns them to tone it down and then if they continue encourages rev or greytide like behavior as a counterplay to it. Because in practice, while security is generally far, far better than it was a long time ago, they're not much you can do if you're wronged by a security officer because the HOS is generally too busy and admins are not often going to intervene.

[John_Oxford]

Security is Shitcurity because crew is shitcrew.

Ying and Yang motherfucker.

[IcePacks]

Everyone seems to have their own personal method of brigging someone, though. You get into a discussion about it and quite often everyone involved will just spend 5 minutes arguing.

That's because they don't know that you just do the airtight process of pull, timer, strip, jumpsuit (and shoes), buckle, uncuff, mid-uncuff stun, leave. I've already said this process is airtight, barring external influences, the most sudden and effective of which is a welderbomb. There doesn't have to be an argument.

[Scones]

itt: people who antagonize security get mad when security doesnt appease their standards

[mosquitoman]

i hope you don't breed.

Too late.

Seriously, if you were a kid grounded by his parents, trying to get "revenge" on strangers in a 2d spessmen game to make up for the lack of control over his own life, I could probably understand it. It'd still be completely sh*tty behaviour, but that's what kids do. That's however not how adult heterosexual males act like. The complete opposite. Speaks volumes about underlying psychological issues if you're enjoying the game more if you ruin somebody's game or waste their time. It's probably the only time in your life you feel "in control" over anything.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

i hope you don't breed.

Too late.

Seriously, if you were a kid grounded by his parents, trying to get "revenge" on strangers in a 2d spessmen game to make up for the lack of control over his own life, I could probably understand it. It'd still be completely sh*tty behaviour, but that's what kids do. That's however not how adult heterosexual males act like. The complete opposite. Speaks volumes about underlying psychological issues if you're enjoying the game more if you ruin somebody's game or waste their time. It's probably the only time in your life you feel "in control" over anything.

Mosquitoman, stop talking about your own life in an attempt to make a security officer feel bad for wasting greyshits time. That's the whole point of security, wasting the time of antagonists and shitheads.

[Scones]

uh oh swipe for red alert the armchair psychologists have come out to war

[mosquitoman]

It's all common sense really. Once in a while you get really good security on the station when all the right players join it and then the round ends with little to no casualties in 15 minutes because all antagonists have been stopped before they even acted and the civilians have barely even noticed anything happened. More often than not however you get a squad of essentially 3-5 armed assistants in red jumpsuits who make up for lack of control over their irl lives with ruining the game for others. Almost every round there are some of them wasting their and everyone else's time by "punishing" petty mischief, allowing the real antagonists to run loose while they're busy brigging the clown for "suspicious talking" or "unauthorized entry" to the toilet or whatever. You can't be effective at your job (stopping antagonists/mild griefers) if you're filled with vice and your intention is to ruin the round for as many people as possible so you can feel good about yourself. You're supposed to cooperate with the rest of the crew.

[Falamazeer]

this would be the second thread about security where you've all but accused my 'shitty' sec playing on a small penis
I don't understand how you can point to my maturity in enjoying returning the time wasting favor to some fuck nugget, and not blink an eye that it's a common occurrence to yackity sax as long as you possibly can to evade a short sentence because it's fun.

Clearly I'm a monster, Ruining peoples rounds by emptying their shit into a locker and making them pick through it all, that extra few seconds is clearly game ruining.

Do you not hear yourself when you speak? I asked this last time too, and so I'll ask again no doubt next thread, I put a name to my actions, I'm ham sammich, how bout you bitch tits?
I'm generally considered decent to good as an officer, And repeatedly bad officers don't last this long without notes and bans when they play the same name, Bad activity is remembered, all day erryday from an officer especially.

[Falamazeer]

Nope, I rarely arrest for stupid shit, I'm brave enough to put a name to my actions, Ham Sammich, How about you pumpkin?
Or do all you have is merit-less vague claims about how security wronged you and hurt your very special feelings?

Maybe try manning up and taking responsibility for the shit you do to bring problems on yourself. Because frankly trying to get personal and acting like a little bitch about it isn't helping your case, I am one of the oldest sec veterans still playing the role consistently, and I've only been jobbanned ONCE, Let any admin show otherwise and embarrass me in public if he wishes, I am not the gestapo, Nor a jackbooted thug, I am neither the hero this station deserves, nor the one it wants, I'm your average officer trying to hold the brig together against the tide of poo-flinging shitcrew who wants to tear it apart.

Quoting myself, because this applies in every way to everything I want to say about how retarded and wrong you are

[mosquitoman]

Why do you act like you have something to "prove"? Everything I've said is common sense. You're trying to get back at someone through the game, that much is obvious. This isn't how sane people think or act. You're consciously antagonizing people then act all surprised when it backfires and post sermons about the flaws of human nature and how you're the last just and honest man and just doing a good job with nothing to back it up.

As long as you're not outright griefing no quality of thought processes or playing style is required from security players. And that, just like in real life, makes the job attract thugs interested in abusing power. Just like that thing Plato was talking about.

[Falamazeer]

But it's not common sense, it's your opinion, and it's clearly based on the flawed ideals of a douche who wants security to beg on bended knees for the ability to arrest him.
You have no sound basis for your opinion, You can't have played much sec, Or you wouldn't be this wrong, consistently in more than one thread about the subject at hand.

Your examples of abuse only further the case for your autism, and wilful ignorance of the well documented woes of the thin red line and it's inability to function when vastly outnumbered by frothing retards scattered in like two scoops of raisens with the rest of the bran flake crew, theres enough open sec positions to fix that, but nobody wants to fill them because assholes feel completely justified in sponging up security time and resources begging for attention and it's just not worth it for most people.

Your opinion is retarded, Unwanted, and improperly formed, You've decided the gestapo is the problem in all situations ever because that's what fits the little narrative in your head that lets you work out your feelings in some unfathomable way and as your therapist I suggest a little role reversal, Play security, Do everything right, then come see me when your world view tilts into a dark abyss or something

Edit: I offer the same terms I offered SoS for this sec challenge
-New name every round, building a reputation can be a boon, You need no such crutch right?
-Only sybil counts, basil doesn't have the pop to net you the truest flavors of security's meal
-No warden, detective, or HoS, or special snowflake job title of any kind, red shirt only, and stay in uniform
-Actually arrest people for crime, It's your job, do it.
-Unless the situation is very much out of hand, do not interfere with other officers, people often join sec just to break it from the inside, that's not a challenge, much less this challenge.
-Discount blob and wizard rounds, they don't typically fall under normal security conditions.
-Do your best
-Play this until the crew made you no longer want to play it, then come tell us why

[mosquitoman]

No need for this Oprah Winfrey intellamajent verbal diarrhea, buddy. Armed non-antag crew members outnumber actual antagonists in virtually any mode, maybe except gang war. It's just you and your buddies chasing the wrong people for wrong reasons all the time, then scratching your head trying to figure out why you're universally hated. None of what you're saying is making any more sense than druidism or astral travel. Have you ever wondered why the most popular method of accomplishing traitor objectives is waiting until security is busy dealing with somebody who "trespassed" or "acted suspiciously", searching and stripping people in the middle of a hall with little to no rationale behind it? If you're searching or brigging anyone who deserves less than a 5 minute sentence you're doing it wrong.

PS. It should go without saying that if you derive some pathological pleasure from wasting other people's time like you admitted, you should never be allowed to play jobs that let you do so. Especially as security you should be aware that you're playing a role where you often have to sacrifice your own enjoyment for the sake of safety of other crew members. You're not just a redsuited assistant with weapons free to stun, detain and rob whoever you wish without justification. If you don't understand that maybe you should pick some other job.

[Malkevin]

Officers are heavy-handed because they have little to no guidance, inside the game or out. Add a tip of the round telling players how to properly process criminals. Put the correct method in a book. If you see a fellow officer struggling with an arrest, tell him how to do it properly. I've seen better security back when the main station only had one brig cell with no remote controlled flasher, just a set of remote-controlled windoors, with no reinforced windows.

What? You mean like the SOP in wrote into Space Law years ago?
https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Space_Law#Brig_Procedures

Although it's a bit out of date now as it says you should flash them before removing cuffs, hand flashers got made wank by Cheriden many months back.


I decided to play Sec last night and my determination isn't that the problem is a lack of education or robustness (although there is that too), its that security is now infested with Giant Bleeding Vaginas.

First round I'm a boot officer, AI tells us someone is trying to break into the bridge.
I run down, find him trapped between the airlocks and am about to blast him with disabler beams when the dumb AI open the airlocks allowing him to run past me and shoot me in the back with a stolen taser.
Luckily the HoS comes down a second later and gets him, and leaves him for me to back and brig.

Naturally he starts being a gobby cunt and tries to claim that he dint do nuttin and that he should have immunity because he'd been valid hunting... so I remind him that I don't give a shit and that he's still criminal scum for assaulting an officer with a stolen taser and then give him 10 minutes for those two crimes.
He whines more so I tell him I'll be back to add the extra five for attempted break in a secure area.
I go off to respond to a back up call in atmos, Phoebe the warden asks what he's done, I tell them. They moan that the sentence is too long, I tell them its in compliance with Space Law. They still reduce his sentence to five minutes, I call them a filthy pinko, then outright call them a useless shit when they tell me they wouldn't even give 10 minutes for critting someone... seriously, Phoebe said she wouldn't give even 10 minutes for attempted murder.


Next round, I'm HoS.
Whilst a blob is being an unsportsmanlike knave by blobbing on the arrivals shuttle... two greyshirts Jim Ottis and Mohammed break into the captain's room and steal the hand teles and nuke disk.
Captain gives me his spare ID and pinpointer to hunt him down, but beepsky informs me he's arresting the criminal scum right next to the bridge.
Pop out and see him, or one of this greytide shitler tribe, destroy beepsky - no one kills beepsky on my watch.
He then leads me and the detective on a wild hunt through bluespace as he blinks around the station with the stolen hand tele (in hindsight I'm not sure if he ditched the nuke disk or if teleporters have changed to allow nukedisk-bluespace travel on the same z level).
At one point we lose him but then I find him again outside the grav room, dragging a fuel tank for some reason. I thought he was about to ALLAN SNAKBAR so kept a bit of a distance and prepped a flashbang, in hindsight I wish I'd shot a laser into the tank and cuffed him as he tried to stop himself roasting. Anyway as I prep the flashbang he darts off and I chase him, he opens another teleportal just as I threw the cooking nade at him. The flashbang follows him through the portal and stuns him just as I get through.

So as I'm dragging him off to the brig I'm deciding whether to let him off with a timed sentence or throw him in perma, which he's earned for two counts of Grand Theft, B&E of a Restricted Area, murdering beepsky, resisting arrest, and sparking an extensive manhunt.
It doesn't take me long when of course he confirms himself as being a greytiding piece of shit by hurling abuse and attempting to transfer his own inadequacies onto me... really, the insults were unoriginally pathetic and disappointing - imagine Mosquitoman in game (Mohammed is played by someone else, however).

So as I'm dressing him like a carrot I've got the detective, Warden, anddddd AI being a bunch of pussies and moaning that I'm being too harsh. Fuck them, he's done the crime he can do the time, and he's being unrepentant and being a total cunt to top it off, its as simple as that.


So if you ever wonder why Security is useless and ineffective and the greytiders tard about the place with gusto and act like egomanical cunts... blame the spineless pussy twips that make up today's sec force.
Really, you deserve getting greytided every round.

[Malkevin]

MosquitoMan, you appear to be under the false impression that security's sole reason for existing is to valid hunt antags, whilst antags are their number one priority their actual role is to arrest and process the criminal skum, antags are capital criminals by default but their other actions - stealing valuable tech, murdering people, destroying large sections of the station - are themselves Capital crimes.

Greytiders more often than not do commit Capital crimes themselves, or stack up so many lesser crimes that the Repeat Offender modifier comes into play and they're elevated up to Capital criminal status.


So it is security's role to ruin your playtime, suck it.

[mosquitoman]

So it is security's role to ruin your playtime, suck it.

It's not. I never greytide under any circumstances. Most of the time it's not outrageous greybacked ghetto monkeys getting tased and dragged away by a mute redshirt. I've been arrested more times than I can count for repairing walls and windows around the station because it "looked" like attempted "breaking and entering" (chuckle) to some red manboon. Don't paint yourself as some lone batman-like figure, the only protector of justice on the station with everyone else being a hindrance. It only proves security is filled with irredeemable powertrippers and egomaniacs.

[Ricotez]

which came first, the shitcurity or the greytide

[TheNightingale]

Just a reminder that fully stripping a prisoner is alright (but at least give them a prison jumpsuit) if they've been the next reincarnation of Adolf Hitler, but if they're being nice you should probably be nice back.

If you want Security to treat you well, you need to be friendly to them too.

Additionally, Security's job is to stop crimes, not validhunt. Did that person you just arrested have thermals? Bring them into Interrogation and make a deal or something. Permabrigging/executing all the antags is, though efficient, really boring.
If someone's done capital crimes, you can probably tell if they're an antag or not, just by thinking about it. The Assistant that takes all-access and the hand teleporter probably isn't, but the Cargo Tech with ablative, an RCD and someone's brain just might be. You don't have to punish people to the full extent of the law, and some things are worth letting by.

An example: Atmos McTechnician isn't slipping on space wind, and is wearing brown shoes. They must be noslips, you think.
Some Security would stuncuff her for that, check the shoes for extra grip, and then throw her in perma if they're right. That's efficient Security, but that's also validboner Security. Nobody likes that.

What if she has an emag in her pocket, takes off her jumpsuit for reasons, and it falls out?
Some Security would stuncuff her, throw her in perma and confiscate the emag to use as their own all-access. Don't be that Officer.
When she's safely in Interrogation (through asking nicely, or stuncuffing; either works, but the former makes a lot more friends), interrogate the traitor. It's more fun getting her to spill her uplink code and objectives (maybe codewords too) than it is to redtext her in solitary and call it a day. Make sense?

In my experience, the people who make stunprods and cablecuffs at roundstart as Assistants are the same people who permabrig you for having a syndicate balloon.

Short version: If you're out for your valids as Security, try taking the fun route instead. That, or go to Hippie. This isn't "Valid-simulator 2555: Electric Boogaloo".

[Scones]

This isn't "Valid-simulator 2555: Electric Boogaloo".

Pretty much objectively false, this is /tg/station. Stop lecturing people like you know what you're talking about - Security's job, BY DESIGN, is to stop antagonists. You personally may think Baycurity is applicable here, but the harsh reality of 90-man rounds in the summer is that you can take no chances and make no mistakes. People will come back to backstab you, and there is nothing to gain by just brigging someone and taking their traitor gear instead of putting them in forever jail. Antagonists are not obligated to behave like normal players and care if you were nice or not. They will be back, and you will die.

Someone lock this thread already, it's not policy discussion; it's a few players shitflinging like a bunch of gibbering autists wherein one side clearly does not and has never played Security and fails to have a realistic perspective on the job, while a couple others give tangential lectures on their personal experience that seems to be totally irrelevant to /tg/.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Malkevin has it pretty much right here. Security's main goal isn't DUNK ALL DE ANTAGS, it's DUNK ALL DE CRIMINALS. (Unless nuke ops/blob, in which case drop everything). It's just that DE ANTAGS generally has a really big overlap with DE CRIMINALS

[TheNightingale]

-snip-

the harsh reality of 90-man rounds in the summer is that you can take no chances and make no mistakes. People will come back to backstab you, and there is nothing to gain by just brigging someone and taking their traitor gear instead of putting them in forever jail. Antagonists are not obligated to behave like normal players and care if you were nice or not. They will be back, and you will die.

-snip-

We can't all be as jaded and cynical as you, Scones. Sometimes you have to have a little faith in people.

[CPTANT]

-snip-

the harsh reality of 90-man rounds in the summer is that you can take no chances and make no mistakes. People will come back to backstab you, and there is nothing to gain by just brigging someone and taking their traitor gear instead of putting them in forever jail. Antagonists are not obligated to behave like normal players and care if you were nice or not. They will be back, and you will die.

-snip-

We can't all be as jaded and cynical as you, Scones. Sometimes you have to have a little faith in people.

If you have faith in people you WILL get killed and dumped out of an airlock regularly. Asking people for searches simply doesn't work, half of the people run when you say you are going to search them, the other half shoots you in face. Batoning people and searching them saves time for EVERYONE and prevents security from ending as a corpse in space.

And I don't give a shit if you are an antag or not, if you commit capital crimes you are going to perma. Being a greytiding shit is not a mitigating factor. That is not being shitcurity, that is YOU getting what you deserve.
Unless of course you have a VERY good excuse to run around with the armory content, nuke disk, teleporter and an all access ID.

[Scones]

I became jaded and cynical because I learned my lesson. I turned my back one time too many. I trusted - I made the horrible mistake of having faith. There is literally no reason to trust people or have faith in them when they are all potential antags/shitlers who are going to kill/steal. Call me paranoid but that's what I've learned from playing Security.

TRUST NOBODY NOT EVEN YOURSELF

[John_Oxford]

Scones is correct.
Everyone is a more fucked up version of hitlers reincarnation unless otherwise proven.
If that antag decides not to kill you, strip you, and throw you out a airlock at the very first chance they get, that does NOT mean they are /friendly/ it means that they took pitty on your pathetic excuse of a security officer.

Now, let me take the time to write out some fucking guide books for you chucklefucks who think /being nice/ is not going to get your ass killed.

Agroo Craig Inspired

Guide Book NO.1

Spoiler:

THE FUCKING RIGHT WAY TO PLAY SECURITY
ALRIGHT MAGGOT, LISTEN THE FUCK UP, YOU HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED AS A SECURITY OFFICER OF SPACE STATION 13, WELCOME TO THE MOTHERFUCKING TEAM, SHITBALLS.

NOW, WE ARE GOING TO GO OVER SOME FUCKING STANDARD. OPERATING. PROCEDURE. SO YOUR ASS DOESNT GET FUCKING CAPPED THE SECOND YOU STEP OUT OF THE BRIG

NOW, RULE NUMBER FUCKING ONE.

ALWAYS WEAR THE MOST FUCKING ARMOR THAT YOU CAN, AND ALWAYS CARRY THE MOST WEAPONS THAT YOU CAN.
IF YOUR ASS RUNS OUT OF FUCKING AMMO WHEN YOU ARE UNLOADING ON A FUCKING GREYSHIRT, YOUR ASS IS FUCKING CASH, CUNT

RULE MOTHERFUCKING TWO.
ANYONE THAT LOOKS REMOTELY SUSPICIOUS, GETS FUCKING TAZED AND SEARCHED
NO FUCKING QUESTIONS ASKED. BECAUSE IF THAT MOTHERFUCKER GOES OFF TO BLOW UP THE FUCKING STATION, AND YOU DIDN'T DO JACK SHIT ABOUT IT? I AM GOING TO SHOVE MY BATON SO FAR UP YOUR FUCKING ASS YOU WILL SHIT ELECTRICITY!

RULE NUMBER FUCKING THREE, ASSHOLES
IF A FUCKING CRIMINAL SCUM IS BACKTALKING YOU, THAT MOTHERFUCKER GETS A FEW FLASHES AND HARM BATONS
NO FUCKING QUESTIONS ASKS, YOU DISRESPECT THE LAW, YOU FACE THE FURY OF THE LAW, MOTHERFUCKER.

FINNALLY, RULE NUMBER FUCKINNNIGGGG FOURRR
IF YOU SO HAPPEN TO FIND ANY DIRTY FUCKING SYNDICATE SCUM. EXECUTE THEM MOTHERFUCKERS WITH EXTREME PREJUDCE.
YOUR JOB IS NOT A FUCKING DAYCARE FOR HIGHLY TRAINED ASSASSINS, YOUR JOB IS TO FUCKING KILL THEM FUCKS. IF YOUR FUCKING WHINNY BITCH DOG (see: Captain) DOESNT WANT TO FUCKING AUTHORIZE IT, HE IS A FUCKING SYNDICATE TO, OFF WITH HIS FUCKING HEAD!

I ALMOST FORGOT RULE MOTHERFUCKING FIVE
THIS IS THE GOLDEN RULE MOTHERFUCKERS, SO LISTEN THE FUCK UP
YOUR NUMBER ONE FUCKING GOAL ISN'T TO BE THE NICEST MOTHERFUCKER ON THE WHOLE STATION, ITS TO MAKE SURE NO ONE FUCKS WITH ANYTHING, EVERYONE GETS TO BE PERFECTLY FUCKING SAFE, BECAUSE IF THEY AREN'T, YOU ARE DOING YOUR FUCKING JOB WRONG, AND YOU ARE FUCKING FIRED MOTHERFUCKER, GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!

Guide Book NO.2

Spoiler:

THE WRONG FUCKING WAY TO PLAY SECURITY, FUCKFACE
Welcome to Officer Friendly's Nicebaton Academy! Here, we'll teach all you aspiring Security Officers to maintain a positive outlook and be respected bt the community, not feared!

Firstly, when apprehending a suspect, make sure you know what they did. Ask them politely to come with you to the Brig for questioning, if they have time; if they refuse, ask them again, but this time you don't have to say please! Whilst you're doing that, you can set them to Arrest in case they run... but I'm sure they won't, right? After all, you asked nicely.

Secondly, if someone is being nice to you, be nice to them back! It's not much fun to lock people up in perma for the rest of the shift, so treat criminals with the same respect you'd like them to treat you. Get them a drink and a donut, maybe (when giving it to them, ask them not to attack you, or else they might try!), or reduce their sentence for good behaviour! On the other hand, if they're being a little rude, you can wait for them to calm down. Give them an extra minute for them to cool their head, and I guarantee when you let them out they'll be well-behaved! After all, that's the aim of punishments; to reform crooks into citizens.

On that note, you don't have to execute every Syndicate agent you see! Many of them are harmless, and perfectly willing to cooperate when you ask them in Interrogation. Help them get what they need, and politely but firmly insist they hand over their contraband and uplink, and you'll get along forever!

Thirdly, a good Officer maintains a public face. Whilst helmets and gas masks are all well and good, they don't exactly scream 'you can trust me!', do they? No, what you need is a beret or cap. Even better, wear a flower in your hair to ease interaction with the crew! They'll love it, I promise. If you can, get the winter coat from Security - ask the HoS very politely for the spare, maybe - and put that on. Not only can you store your taser in its storage, it also doubles as an armoured vest. It's always coat season in the Nicebaton Academy!

And finally, if all else fails and you find yourself dead in a maintenance shaft, six .357s in the skull, remember - at least you were nice. You know that Officer with the riot helmet, energy gun and flashbang? The one that tases, cuffs, searches and then asks questions? Nobody likes him. But now you've gone through Officer Friendly's Nicebaton Academy, you can be the shining example of a positive outlook this Security force needs!

Sign up today for only (S)34.99 and get your very own frosted donut

Credits to NightingGale

[Scones]

how to play security:

trust only roundstart implanted officers
try to upgrade gear to BiS (hos coat swat helmet)
steal from the dead/arrested if you can upgrade gear
spam flashbangs
admins can't fuck with you if they committed a capital crime (grand theft + enemy of the corp are ezmode to charge with)
teleshields are op
killing someone with harmbaton: stun, turn off and 3 hits, turn on stun, repeat
clowns are born guilty and every moment they spend outside the brig is parole


wow now you're playing like a pro

[John_Oxford]

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[Scones]

im not joking

[srifenbyxp]

Stripping prisoner's naked almost always happens when arrested along with random searches, and bed cuffing. If they don't bed cuff you they're seeing if you'll act a fool to justify their brigging even more. If you're doing something that will piss off security and you willingly do so you probability deserved it. If you didnt do muffin yell over comms why your wanted and PDA a random red shirt, bonus points if you run up on a officer and ask them why your wanted. If a certain officer is truly being shit and you handled things in a didnt do muffin manner and submit, admin help it and you might even get Cent Comm HR down to the station for fun on your behalf, or see that certain officer go braindead for reasons unknown right in front of you. It really comes down to a just because I could, maybe I should attitude. But despite off all of this the clown on the other hand is null, he is to be treated like a punching bag. If he is to slip an officer anyone he is subjected to a stun and a few kicks to the head and laughed at.

Once I had the pleasure of an admin breaking a window and electro-shocking a shitcurity officer to death. It was glorious.

[Shaps-cloud]

I decided to play Sec last night and my determination isn't that the problem is a lack of education or robustness (although there is that too), its that security is now infested with Giant Bleeding Vaginas.

First round I'm a boot officer, AI tells us someone is trying to break into the bridge.
I run down, find him trapped between the airlocks and am about to blast him with disabler beams when the dumb AI open the airlocks allowing him to run past me and shoot me in the back with a stolen taser.
Luckily the HoS comes down a second later and gets him, and leaves him for me to back and brig.

Naturally he starts being a gobby cunt and tries to claim that he dint do nuttin and that he should have immunity because he'd been valid hunting... so I remind him that I don't give a shit and that he's still criminal scum for assaulting an officer with a stolen taser and then give him 10 minutes for those two crimes.
He whines more so I tell him I'll be back to add the extra five for attempted break in a secure area.
I go off to respond to a back up call in atmos, Phoebe the warden asks what he's done, I tell them. They moan that the sentence is too long, I tell them its in compliance with Space Law. They still reduce his sentence to five minutes, I call them a filthy pinko, then outright call them a useless shit when they tell me they wouldn't even give 10 minutes for critting someone... seriously, Phoebe said she wouldn't give even 10 minutes for attempted murder.

Just popping in to say that brigging someone for 15 minutes for trying to break into the bridge and stealing a taser is ridiculous, that's literally a third of an average round where they're doing nothing but breeding contempt and hate for security, at which point they just start more shit when they get out. Brigging someone for tazing an officer is fine. Brigging someone for 10 minutes for tazing an officer (you said that was even without the B&E) is overkill and completely unneeded. Also about what I said, critting someone =/= attempted murder, my point was that 10+ minute sentences are ridiculously long and starts toeing into the territory where you might as well just borg or execute them

[rdght91]

OKAY GUYS, WE GET IT, YOU ARE PERFECT AS SECURITY. THATS NOT WHAT IS ABOUT
This thread is about how the crew is supposed to handle shitty security officers toeing the line. NOT ABOUT SECURITY IN GENERAL. NOT ABOUT GREYTIDERS (I personally think one single instance of tiding in some contexts should be enough for a perma). This is ONLY about how to deal with shit officers as a non-head/officer.

[mosquitoman]

I wonder if everyone here is aware that this is not a competitive game. It's like reading dota 2 guides written by frustrated teenagers.

Most people play SS13 to relax.

[Malkevin]

Just popping in to say that brigging someone for 15 minutes for trying to break into the bridge and stealing a taser is ridiculous, that's literally a third of an average round where they're doing nothing but breeding contempt and hate for security, at which point they just start more shit when they get out. Brigging someone for tazing an officer is fine. Brigging someone for 10 minutes for tazing an officer (you said that was even without the B&E) is overkill and completely unneeded. Also about what I said, critting someone =/= attempted murder, my point was that 10+ minute sentences are ridiculously long and starts toeing into the territory where you might as well just borg or execute them

He already demonstrated complete contempt towards security by using a stolen taser to assault an officer doing their duty to remove an unauthorised presence from a restricted area.
He continued to demonstrate his contempt by spouting memes and being an insulting jackass to me.

I can either throw the book at them or show mercy, the actions they took before being arrested and the actions they take after being arrested are solely what I use to determine that outcome.


310 BE Restricted.PNG B&E of a Restricted Area This is breaking into any Security area, Command area (Bridge, EVA, Captains Quarters, Teleporter, etc.), the Engine Room, Atmos, or Toxins research. As a major crime sentences start at 5 minutes, but can be extended if security believes break in was for attempted Grand Theft or attempted Grand Sabotage (yellow gloves don't count as grand theft).

308 Theft.PNG Theft To steal restricted or dangerous items Weapons fall into this category, as do valuable items that are in limited supply such as insulated gloves, spacesuits, and jetpacks.
Note that Cargo breaking open crates to illegally arm and armor themselves are guilty of theft.

304 Lethal Weapon.PNG Possession of a Restricted Weapon To be in possession of a restricted weapon without prior authorisation, such as: Guns, Batons, Flashes, Grenades, etc. Any item that can cause severe bodily harm or incapacitate for a significant time. The following personnel have unrestricted license to carry weapons and firearms: Captain, HoP, all Security Personnel.
The Barman is permitted his double barrel shotgun loaded with beanbag rounds.
Only the Captain and HoS can issue weapon permits.

302 Assaulting an officer.PNG Assault of an Officer To use physical force against a Department Head or member of Security without the apparent intent to kill them. Criminals who attempt to disarm or grab officers while fleeing are guilty of this, even if bare handed. Officers should refrain from using lethal means to subdue the criminal if possible.

All major crimes, all carry a five minute sentence - only possession and theft might blur into each other.
If they can't deal with losing a third of their round then they shouldn't be breaking the law, and they especially shouldn't be pissing sec off.

At the day breaking the in game laws is a choice THEY make.
Its not my fault they tried to illicit access onto the bridge
Its not my fault they stole a taser
Its not my fault they shot a sec officer with that taser
Its not my fault they tried to run away
Its not my fault they opened their big stupid mouth and ruined any chance for leniency or mercy.


By the way, the rules do state that as soon as you use stunning force against an officer the gloves are off, I could've killed him if I wanted to.

I wonder if everyone here is aware that this is not a competitive game. It's like reading dota 2 guides written by frustrated teenagers.

Most people play SS13 to relax.

Wrong again, it IS a competitive roleplaying game.
Its why the AI has a lawset that generates nothing but conflict.
Its why we have antags that exist to cause conflict
Its why we have a security team whose job it is to end those conflicts through conflict.


If you want to play boring office simulator in SPACE!, where you get banned for everything, go play on Bay.
If you want a no rules shit flinging monkey cage go play on Goon.
If you want a middle ground, where you can go outside the usual standards of play without the admins moaning at you and you can still resolve conflicts IC without the admins getting involved.... thats what TG used to be and what it should return to being.

[Anonmare]

When I'm sec, I deal with another officer usually by detaining them and asking for their demotion. When I'm not sec, I try to keep a camera on me if I catch them beating a prisoner or abusing their authority. ideally I'd get a recorder but it's a pain in the ass to get a hold of, and go over their head about it or hand in evidence to another trustworthy officer.

[DemonFiren]

Usually, when an officer is being a shit I hand the case to the HoS or Captain. Sometimes lawyer, if one is present and somewhat serious, and sometimes HoP if the implanted are all comdoms.

[John_Oxford]

OKAY GUYS, WE GET IT, YOU ARE PERFECT AS SECURITY. THATS NOT WHAT IS ABOUT
This thread is about how the crew is supposed to handle shitty security officers toeing the line. NOT ABOUT SECURITY IN GENERAL. NOT ABOUT GREYTIDERS (I personally think one single instance of tiding in some contexts should be enough for a perma). This is ONLY about how to deal with shit officers as a non-head/officer.

I said this once already. Security isn't shit if the crew isn't shit. Security is shit to greytiders/chucklefucks.
The only reason anyone would ever say "guise we needz 2 lurns how 2 deal wif da shticurrity11!!!" is if they were infact a greytider/chucklefuck.
Your question essentially states "How can we be a deteriment to security 101"


/bad/ security officers (Ones who fucking harm baton the shit out anyone for no reason) generally get bwoiked on the first instance. Those security officers aren't included in the arguement, because they don't make up a big enough part of the security force.

/good/ security officers (see my guide on whats a /good/ security officer) are generally the ones you talk about who are giving you 15 minute sentences (not permaing you, you lucky chucklefuck)
for breaking into the bridge, stealing a taser, using a taser on a security officer, assaulting a security officer, and sparking a extensive manhunt.

The second you break space law, you void your "Sec is Polite to you" privilage.

Securitys job is not to be a bunch of insufferable cunts. Its to find people who break laws, and make sure they don't break any more laws. Don't break laws, and your ass wont be cash.
Plain. Fucking. Common. Sense.

Personally, if it we're up to me, i'd have everyone in a 1x1 adminwall room surrounded by shields, xenomorphs, and exposed to space, and having the surrounding space be filled with carp, whom of which were immune to the stage 6 singularitys going about the area


EDIT: That's why we we're talking about security, because the fourm isn't "Guide to Griffons 101" its "How to deal with Chucklefucks/Greytiders 101".


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Just popping in to say that brigging someone for 15 minutes for trying to break into the bridge and stealing a taser is ridiculous, that's literally a third of an average round where they're doing nothing but breeding contempt and hate for security, at which point they just start more shit when they get out. Brigging someone for tazing an officer is fine. Brigging someone for 10 minutes for tazing an officer (you said that was even without the B&E) is overkill and completely unneeded. Also about what I said, critting someone =/= attempted murder, my point was that 10+ minute sentences are ridiculously long and starts toeing into the territory where you might as well just borg or execute them

You have got to be fucking kidding me, Really?


It doesn't fucking matter if it takes up half the fucking round, or the entire round for that matter. If he did the crime, he can pay the time. No one forced him to steal a taser, break into the bridge, or shoot a fucking sec officer.

If they do start more shit when they get out, good fucking riddance, gives me all the more of a reason to perma they're ass.

We /WOULD/ borg/perma everyone if fucking perma was big enough, or we had enough fucking roboticists who weren't building ripleys that /they dont even fucking need/

And your fucking right, if it we're up to me, everyone who got arrested, gets fucking perma'd leathal'd on the spot, obviously, because securitys job is to be the biggest insufferable cunt possible. No, our job is to fucking insure you don't break the law, if you don't break the law, your ass doesn't get 15 minute sentences/perma/execution/borging

You have got to be a special kind of stupid to make a post like that

[TheNightingale]

Personally, if it we're up to me, i'd have everyone in a 1x1 adminwall room surrounded by shields, xenomorphs, and exposed to space, and having the surrounding space be filled with carp, whom of which were immune to the stage 6 singularitys going about the area

You're right in that Security's job is to stop people breaking laws, and this would achieve it, but - like Asimov-cages - there's a rule one obligation there too. You can't ruin everyone's fun all the time.

[John_Oxford]

Personally, if it we're up to me, i'd have everyone in a 1x1 adminwall room surrounded by shields, xenomorphs, and exposed to space, and having the surrounding space be filled with carp, whom of which were immune to the stage 6 singularitys going about the area

You're right in that Security's job is to stop people breaking laws, and this would achieve it, but - like Asimov-cages - there's a rule one obligation there too. You can't ruin everyone's fun all the time.

I know, i didn't make another point when i posted that.

We /don't/ do that, the /ONLY/ reason that security isen't fucking super max space alcatraz is because no one likes to sit in a 1x1 admin wall room forever. That's not fun. So we have to use the brig that we have now, which gives more room for escape/chucklefucks ect. Which would be fun for prisoners to escape.

Because if no ones having fun, no one is on the server.

[rdght91]

Personally, if it we're up to me, i'd have everyone in a 1x1 adminwall room surrounded by shields, xenomorphs, and exposed to space, and having the surrounding space be filled with carp, whom of which were immune to the stage 6 singularitys going about the area

You're right in that Security's job is to stop people breaking laws, and this would achieve it, but - like Asimov-cages - there's a rule one obligation there too. You can't ruin everyone's fun all the time.

This is what I mean. For the most part, it's never a problem, but if you're playing clown, it kinda sucks if you get stripped naked and harmbatoned just for slipping someone. It's almost as bad as the greytiding shits that run up and free prisoners or table you FNR, and you just know they're going to keep being shits and then whine and cry to admins if they get perma'ed. What this is about is when someone is being a dickhead for the sake of being a dickhead, what are the options on both sides?

[Scones]

ahelp shitters, its not that hard

[rockpecker]

but the harsh reality of 90-man rounds in the summer is that you can take no chances and make no mistakes. People will come back to backstab you, and there is nothing to gain by just brigging someone and taking their traitor gear instead of putting them in forever jail. Antagonists are not obligated to behave like normal players and care if you were nice or not. They will be back, and you will die.

You will die, in the game, for about 30 minutes. During which you can wait for someone to clone you (happens more often than not), ghost and wander around and wait for a drone/golem/some other thing, or go play on a different server. It's not the fucking end of the world if someone backstabs you. Get some perspective.

On the other hand, this hypervigilant paranoid security attitude of "must take no unnecessary risks, permabrig for everyone" makes the game boring as hell.

[Scones]

Yeah but why would I want to lose if winning is an option, in what is arguably the 'competitive' department where unlike others you are in fact playing AGAINST other people instead of playing against the game itself in the form of RNG/timegates

Losing is fun if you lose because someone outplayed you, not being you were like "eh whatever"

[Screemonster]

I'm reminded of the number of MUDs and other arrpee places that improved immeasurably when "In-character actions have in-character consequences" policies put in place specifically targeted at shitlers. Some of them phrase it as "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" and the like.
Security that are genuinely shit will get ahelped and slapped.
Shitters that do things like break into the bridge and get arrested and then go back to welderbomb the brig in "revenge" because HOW DARE YOU DO YOUR JOB are a fuckin' cancer.

[Antimattercarp]

People tend to forget that sec is just as much OOC as IC, you hear this from each and every *veteran* sec officer. Although it has gone down recently for me(Likely because I play sec significantly less), I remember the *bwoink*. The thing about adminpms is that they rarely come when everything is running smoothly but rather when everything is falling apart and you have to start cutting corners to keep the round moving a.k.a. when it is the last thing you need is to stop doing everything to fight off an admin who has interesting ideas of sec policy.

To add to this IC I would say that your average redshirt has a more demanding job than the majority of the heads on the station although perhaps less important by design. You often see sec described as "walking loot pinatas" and this is for good reason, I would dare say that sec is slightly above the level of a particularly paranoid bartender(Ranged stun, armor, everything else sec has is either readily constructable, useless or the flash bang), is also incredibly visible and more-often-than-not travels alone. Soon enough you learn that the only choice is to be that paranoid prick that everyone hates(Shitcurity); die quickly in some den of antags, spending the rest of the round watching as the rest of the team dies due to you wanting to be the nice guy(shitsec); worry only about your own skin and nothing else(Shitsec); or not play the game where you lose any way you roll it, maybe you will be that shithead greyshirt who prowls maint in a stun baton that you once fought or maybe you will end up like me and take a break for 6 months and almost never come back to sec.

The problem with security is that after your no longer incompetent you progress into being shitcurity or shitsec, neither of which is fun to be and no one seems to have any idea of how to fix.

Also, mimes by virtue of having special powers and not being able to interrogate them properly are worse than clowns.

[TheNightingale]

How to interrogate a mime:
- Handcuff them
- Place them in interrogation
- Laugh as they can't mime due to their hands being bound
- If they /me something anyway, accuse them of witchcraft

[DemonFiren]

This is when I pray for appropriate spells as Voice-Like-Thunder.

Fus...

[Scones]

Mimes are objectively a greater threat. Execute all mimes.

They are not clumsy, they have IC/OOC excuse to stay silent at all times, and can forcewall electrodes.

EXECUTE. ALL. MIMES.

[DemonFiren]

But at least they don't slip and honk you, then steal your taser and inject themselves with clean SE.

[Takeguru]

Stripping is fine if it's done inside the cell.

Too many officers just strip in the brig hallway and let shit get stolen and I make a point to fuck with sec if they let that shit slide.
Too many just strip in PRIMARY HALLWAYS and they deserve to get fucking dunked by the greytide for that, especially if it's someone like an engineer or scientist which can be carrying more important stuff like gloves or any manner of science shit

Also, removing headsets is faggots and only acceptable in some circumstances.

[Scones]

You should really only remove headsets if they're screaming about how you're rogue and killing them.

[CPTANT]

You should really only remove headsets if they're screaming about how you're rogue and killing them.

So in about half of the arrests?

[Cheimon]

Removing headsets is immediately okay as soon as they (a) start lying about what you're doing, (b) try to encourage any crime on the radio, or (c) start blabbering about 'shitcurity' over their headset. Or if they've previously done a or b.

As long as it's in the cell locker, they'll get it back when their sentence is up. It's not really any extra trouble and preventing riots saves a big hassle.

[Stan_Studnick]

I have had the most success with having a reputation for being fair to begin with and then immediately escalating if provoked. Rarely people fucked with me because they knew I'd start bashing their head in the moment they made me chase them. (I don't think I'm very robust, so I had to take extra measures to apprehend) I've put more people in crit arresting them because they did something stupid like (usually) trying to disarm me, and then when they got their asses healed they woke up inside a cell wearing orange. I regularly reduced brig sentences if people were cooperative and sometimes I managed to just cuff people without stunning or flashing them, though I was always ready at a moment's notice to harmbaton them until they pissed themselves. I think a balance of being seen as fair and friendly and also being extremely cautious and careful with prisoners is the best way to do it, and convincing somebody to willingly go to the brig is very satisfying.

Most of the time bad things happen because nobody's listening to somebody who has a problem, so they act out. If you don't have authority to do something take it to the HoS or captain, especially if it's a complaint about a bad department head. I see the sec officer's job as somebody who enforces the law, preserves order, and protects the crew, so talking with the captain, HoS, and HoP a lot when you see potential problems is a good thing to do. They'll appreciate you letting them know of a brewing situation, it makes dealing with it much easier.