Let it be clear before reading all of this huge post that I am going to make is that you people are all morons, there was no reason to ban the Captain at all. I'll make my case later, but for now I'll try to set a few things straight by correcting what it is this guy says and what the next few people say. This is going to be a pretty lazy post at first. I'll be sure to edit it later on and make it a pretty fantastic work of art!!
>sec catches a handful of traitors
Wrong. At that time the very first traitor I was aware of was the Chemist.
>try interrogating the chemist/cutting a deal with him in exchange for names, codes, whatever, "muh family is hostage" roleplay
Yeah you did.
>in the middle of interrogating him the HoS drags him to the execution room
I don't remember doing this, unfortunately pulling isn't logged. Let me check the logs and see just what I said at a specific time frame to confirm or deny. Be sure too look at this post later! I will have edited this out and confirmed or denied.
>eventually try to set up a sting operation to catch another guy with him, give up halfway through and let him go (with tracking implant the HoS gave him)
Yeah. I think he was trying to do this. Got some PDA messages about it, from the Chemist (which I promptly ignored because we were dealing with something much more important at the time)
>tell the HoS we're not executing people, he's upset about this,
Yeah. I am pretty upset over this. But considering a few days ago he played a Captain who did the literal opposite (incinerating someone innocent in the process I may add) I just played along with it because he was trying to run some sort of gimmick.
>tries killing another traitor with their own pistol
I shot her once because she was whining too much. I was kind of hoping she'd bleed out after the first shot yeah, but If I really wanted her at that time to die I would have just taken her to the Gulag, stripped her headset, and killed her. I'm sure the Captain would have forgotten about her and life would have gone on.
>ask a borg and officer to drag Terry and Mae (two other prisoners) to my office so I can talk to them in peace and quiet
>Osborn follows me into my office, refuses to leave
Cannot confirm or deny, don't really care as it had nothing to do with me.
>tells me he's gonna mutiny if I cut any deal with them/let them go
I vaguely remember him screaming obscenities over Common and how he was going to kill the Captain if that and that and blah blah blah. Sounds true enough to me.
>tell the prisoners I guess I can't let them go cause the officer will flip out
>as the conversation progresses (sort of, I'm busy arguing with him) he gets increasingly agitated, claims I'm gonna free the prisoners
Who knows, probably true.
>keeps yelling for officers to the bridge
Yeah I remember this.
>I let them in, he grabs my prisoner, declares my "retarded meeting" over, tries to run out
>I fire disablers at him, he hides behind my console/pulls a gun out, Mae bolts into the hallways, I chase out after them along with the HoS
>come back and they're killing the fucking engineering borg for trying to keep Terry from them (because they'd been talking about executing people/trying to do so all round, and the HoS outright stated at one point he was going to ignore my orders and kill people)
No idea, logs exist for a reason. If you can't figure out I'll edit my post later over the next day with logs and evidence, I'm good as fuck with that shit NIGGER.
>drag Terri onto the bridge, stay there with him in cuffs
>Osborn keeps fucking yelling about how I've freed Terry
>tells security I'm rogue, to space me, etc
Yeah I remember something like this.
>Soon he ends up screaming about how the borgs are rogue when they execute Mae (against orders) and the execution chamber gets bolted down
Timeline is a bit out of wack here. This happens a bit later. Mai first has to get into my hands for this to happen. I honestly can't remember how it does. Will have to check the logs if its a big issue.
>At this point I do actually let Terry go because Osborn is pissing me off and Terry has been cooperating/giving me information, did not actually kill anyone/was grabbed in a more or less random search
>Go to perma, arrest, Osborn
>He starts screaming I'm killing him when I drag him around in cuffs
>Starts screaming I'm beating him to death when I (help) baton him when he tries to unbuckle/run away from my office when I'm trying to call the shuttle
>Order borgs to lock him in the upload since perma is fucked
>Round end he PDAs he needs to be let out law 1 etc
>Tell borg not to since he's armed
>comes running out with a baton, shoot at him, he flashbangs himself, kill him with my laser
No clue if this happened or not. I think I was dead at this point. Emagged borg killed me.
>Shadowlight said it was "poor escalation."
I mean, I suppose it could be construed as that, but this takes the context of the situation out completely. Osborn was being unreasonable and aggressive the entire round and kind of deserved it whether you believe it or not. Of course inventories aren't logged. I'd say if the Captain had cuffs he obviously could have dealt with him in a less violent way, but really, who cares? Osborne deserved it and probably would have gone on to kill the Captain (getting banned in the process no doubt).
>The HoS
Nice. I love how just throw anyone under the bus you can to get unbanned. I was pretty passive, just passive aggressively insulting you over the radio yet still obeying your orders. Untill it was getting too complicated to hold onto them and I decided to publicly announce over the Security radio that we were executing all traitors. You were being pretty dumb to be honest. We caught like 6 double agents, and you still wanted to "draw them out". I know you were doing a le epic gimmick, but the point is drawing them out would have been unnecessary. We had caught the majority of them and would have caught the rest. It was getting hard to hold on to the ones that we had, and I think the majority of them escaped one way or another. If I had my way, everything would have been safe and secure.
>If the chain of command is not OOC enforced, and it's bannable to enforce it IC, what is the point of the captain rank? Or any rank, for that matter?
Chain of Command obviously should not be OOC enforced, don't need admins mucking about in every issue. Enforcing is a vague term, they believe you crossed the enforcing line and stepped into the "griefing" line, that's their argument. It's a dumb argument from some dumb fuck admin who wants to act all high and mighty by banning another dumb fuck admin, but the rest of what you said considering it is pretty irrelevant.
>Mutiny is listed as a capital crime, Sticky has previously stated mutiny is an IC issue but that the captain has to git gud and defend his post, etc
Sure makes sense. Not sure about the policies of /tg/ station but if he says it, it must be true right?
>Furthermore he broke the rules multiple times trying to get the borgs killed/trying to kill one beca>use he wanted to execute people.
Yeah he was kind of dumb about the whole screaming borgs rogue thing. Obviously at the time they were just following their laws and stuff. But still, I'd say personally shutting down the borgs who were interfering with the execution shouldn't be against the rules. I would have done it under different circumstances, but under these I thought only a chain stun to prevent the borg from doing anything was the best temporary solution. But why do I know :^)))
>Lastly the whole "mutiny because the captain is impeding my valids, he's daring to talk/roleplay instead of immediately lasering" is awful.
That's your le opinion.
>Pretty much every player online that round can vouch for me that security was bloodthirsty/out of control. CLEAN(jaxy), Mae (Matilda), Terry (drovidi), Caroline (Scones), pretty much all the other borgs (didn't catch their ckeys), etc. Hell Osborn attacked the detective at one point as well. It should be telling that nobody, not even the HoS (who told him to calm down and be quiet on the sec radio), came to help him when he was screaming about me killing him when I arrested him.
This is where you list all the meta club members for the e-cred. Cool beans. Yeah, nobody liked Osborn because he was being unreasonable.
>I thought captains had some sort of authority to execute past "he punched me once I punched him twice." He was screaming for the whole sec force to rebel and disobeying orders, it shouldn't matter how many times he personally hit me. With someone literally saying "space the fucker" how many times am I supposed to let him touch me with his one hit kill stun weapons before it's okay to deal with him permanently?
Yeah.
Ahammer18 wrote:An update, after some discussion it was revealed that the HoS at the time was acting horribly. He has been directed to this thread to explain himself.
How do I even begin to defend a vague statement such as that? I really appreciate how you basically permabanned me to force me to post in this thread, with a situation that barely involved me. You didn't even bother with BYOND pager or whatever just banned me. Really nice of you. Well, if you have any specific complaints about any behavior of mine during that round go ahead and I will explain.
Some guy with a skeleton avatar wrote:
Not sure why this had to be taken out of character, the captain cutting a deal with a traitor to set up a sting operation in order to catch more traitors seems like it would be more beneficial than harmful to the crew.
No, not in this case. This approach immediately assumes the incompetency of Security. It was an insult to all of us and entirely unnecessary. We managed to catch a good majority of the agents without any sort of outside help. The "no execution" rule started to become a burden when we had to manage all of the Traitors who'd be at each other's throats in the permabrig (soon to be uninhabitable) who would plan an escape whether it be via the AI, some outside force, or just bumrushing through space and being cloned on retrieval. Not to mention the fact that at a certain point in the round the permabrig was as always, inoperable.
KorPhareon wrote:
The HoS being shit
Again, more vague criticisms that are impossible to respond to in any meaningful sort of sense. How exactly was I shit? What did I do?
