Admins messing with "ERPers".

Bluespace · Post by **Bluespace** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:57 am #116215

oh look bluespace making a post about buttons haha irony turning in it's grave.

So ERP was unbanned. I liked this, because ERP was often hilarious both for it's theme of awkward text sex and the admin fuckery that ensued.
However, as of late, the admin intervention is such cases has been pre-emptive, overboard, and apparently malicious.
Let's take an example.
I'm sure most of you know there's a group of lizards that like to mix things up, cause a little drama, and have a little fun. They often faux-ERP for the reaction of deadchat. It's pretty funny and people will quote them in deadchat for top keks.
As of late, admins have literally been blowing them up (removing them permanently) from the round for stuff as simple as flirting. Sounds silly? Of course it is. Two lizards flirting is laughable. Right up until they get sealed in a locked room and blown up.

Let's stop blowing up ERPers, and start putting more shame corgis in.
And I mean ERPers. Flirting is not "admin intervention time".

TechnoAlchemist · Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:01 am

Flirting/cuddling/kissing and I would say general PG-13 shit is not okay to act on as an admin. Standard romance is part of roleplay.

Explosions/heart attacks/swarms of bees are generally put on legitimate sexual acts, and permanent removal is generally reserved for people who are trying to fuck every other round. Or at least it should be, I have seen some admins jump the gun way too early.

Falamazeer · Post by **Falamazeer** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:02 am #116217

ZE IRONY! SO IRONIC!

But really, no, Let the ERPers complain publicly themselves if this is happening, If it's such a bother then they should have to out themselves and be laughed at for the things they wrote that got them button smashed.

Scones · Post by **Scones** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:03 am #116218

I disagree with this 100%

ERP has, recently, been bringing the same types of negative effects it used to with the worst of the worst. Important roles constantly wandering off to write trashy one-liners has to be met with nothing less than a steel-shod jackboot.

You got removed from the round? How horrible. This isn't some crime against humanity, and frankly it happens so frequently that admins can't be expected to craft a witty retort 24/7.

If you want uninterrupted ERP there are 1941894179283712948712938 other places you could be doing it.

ERP was a mistake. I regret supporting it.

Post by **lumipharon** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:10 am #116220

The OP is saying admins are dropping their load on peopole not even actually ERPing though.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:11 am #116221

Man just.. fucking be creative with it.

Dropping a bomb is retarded, but say they're fucking in a room with fake space floor tiles. Delete one tile and expose it to actual space and watch them panic and try to run, only to open the door and realize the hall is covered in space vines.

Scones · Post by **Scones** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:13 am #116223

Someone move this to policy discussion. I don't see why it was put in this subforum.

Xhagi · Post by **Xhagi** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:14 am #116224

The thing is, it ends up being the same people doing the same things that we see all the time. The reason we mess with them early is that we know where it 's going and by starting when you do it all the time you open yourself up for it.

What Falamazeer said as well. Let those people speak up if they don't like to be messed with. Just know that we know the patterns and we often don't want to wait for "x whips out his double dongs."

Falamazeer · Post by **Falamazeer** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:15 am #116225

lumipharon wrote:The OP is saying admins are dropping their load on peopole not even actually ERPing though.

And these mythical ERPers aren't talking about it.

No sense getting all upset or forming pandering opinions to it when as of yet no admin complaint has been leveled, either abuse is at a point where people should be prepared to complain about it, or it isn't and at that point who cares?

TechnoAlchemist · Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:17 am

Aliannera wrote:The thing is, it ends up being the same people doing the same things that we see all the time. The reason we mess with them early is that we know where it 's going and by starting when you do it all the time you open yourself up for it.

What Falamazeer said as well. Let those people speak up if they don't like to be messed with. Just know that we know the patterns and we often don't want to wait for "x whips out his double dongs."

I've seen chronic ERPers not escalate past flirting/pg13 stuff on many occasions and I don't think it's fair to assume they are going to ERP and then punish them for it preemptively.

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:25 am #116227

Considering the lizard metafriends get together pretty much every round and ignore everything going on outside their circle to the point where it affects gameplay (chaplain too busy fucking one of their friends during a cult round to help security, sitting around in the library during a full revolution and not helping attack the heads, etc...), I don't think there's a massive problem with culling it a bit

invisty · Post by **invisty** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:28 am #116228

Aliannera wrote:The thing is, it ends up being the same people doing the same things that we see all the time. The reason we mess with them early is that we know where it 's going and by starting when you do it all the time you open yourself up for it.

Using a slippery slope argument as a means to get your jollies off on shitting on players makes you no better than non-admin griefers. ERP is, in fact, not against the rules.

Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:47 am

Shaps wrote:Considering the lizard metafriends get together pretty much every round and ignore everything going on outside their circle to the point where it affects gameplay (chaplain too busy fucking one of their friends during a cult round to help security, sitting around in the library during a full revolution and not helping attack the heads, etc...), I don't think there's a massive problem with culling it a bit

coincidentally, this is precisely the reason basil progresses through rounds so much slower than sybil

Post by **Atlanta-Ned** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:03 am #116230

Less bombs, more shame corgis. At least give deadchat something to do.

DrPillzRedux · Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:21 am

Actually yesterday some admin made someone a traitor just to kill me (failed) and spawned space abominations on me for saying "Love you." and hugging.

There's a time where it's funny, and a time where it's overkill and ruins muh RP that isn't ERP.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:16 am #116243

TechnoAlchemist wrote:Flirting/cuddling/kissing and I would say general PG-13 shit is not okay to act on as an admin. Standard romance is part of roleplay.

No. I'm going to club people over the head as a security officer and send them to work on the gulag if they are slacking off as a crewmember so they can flirt with other crewmembers.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:20 am #116246

Then under retaliation rules I can also doubly kick your ass and dump your body in the gulag as well, especially if you do that shit under suspicion and not without any real proof.

TechnoAlchemist · Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:28 am

iamgoofball wrote:
TechnoAlchemist wrote:Flirting/cuddling/kissing and I would say general PG-13 shit is not okay to act on as an admin. Standard romance is part of roleplay.
No. I'm going to club people over the head as a security officer and send them to work on the gulag if they are slacking off as a crewmember so they can flirt with other crewmembers.

IC interaction such as this is encouraged, retaliation should be expected. I'm just talking about admins.

Danowar · Post by **Danowar** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:13 am #116261

I can't say I've gotten blown up for cuddling yet. The last time I attempted ERP, this happened:

I thought it was funny.

Post by **oranges** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:20 am #116262

ERP is allowed but you will be griefed and thats what I paid for

Bluespace you can get out

Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:29 am

If we had just kept ERP banned, we wouldn't even be having this conversation and everyone would be happier.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:50 am #116265

The problem I'm seeing is that the OP wants to clarify when ERP actually begins.

He's saying that people simply flirting is seemingly enough to get a bomb dropped ontop of them, and to be frank that seems overboard. The last thing any wants is to get blown up cause some mime made some flirty comments near to them.

If two people are moving to do actual ERP, meaning sex, then by all means throw nuke ops and similar at them, but if its just someone flirting hold off on the high tier stuff and stick to shame corgies or something.

Scones · Post by **Scones** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:54 am #116266

oranges wrote:ERP is allowed but you will be griefed and thats what I paid for

Bluespace you can get out

Everyone can go home now

Stickymayhem · Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:41 am

For context, Bluespace is mad that I set fire to his quarters when he gave a roboticist a naked massage as Captain.

NikNak was mad I didn't wait for penetration.

As for the lizards, they basically use this game like f-list or something. Shutting themselves off in every way possible from the entire round to fuck and flirt and generally be weird.

When we unbanned ERP, it most certainly wasn't to allow so called "Legitimate" ERP to be possible ever. It's because it's funny.

When it stops being funny and starts being uncomfortably weird and metafriendy it deserves to be culled.

Bluespace · Post by **Bluespace** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:46 am #116285

Stickymayhem wrote:For context, Bluespace is mad that I set fire to his quarters when he gave a roboticist a naked massage as Captain.

Mad? No, I expected it. What did annoy me is the fact you didn't allow me to turn it into a gimmick. It was a massage which would have culminated in me faking my own death and and lots of drama for the crew.
It did, however, motivate me to make this thread. It wasn't ERP yet I am kill.

To reiterate the point of this thread:
/please/ do not kill people who are just fucking around and not actually getting around to fucking.
when you do mess with ERPers, make it funny, if you can.

Stickymayhem · Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:54 am

This is actually a slippery slope. This is exactly what happened last time that stopped ERPers being targeted by admins anymore. First it was this shit "Oh don't kill me we haven't even started" then people would do everything BUT actual sex and complain they weren't protected for it until eventually no one does anything to them anymore because they whine so loud that they can't fuck their metafriends.

If you've locked yourself off from everyone to grope or flirt or be weird you deserve what you get. I'm sorry your hilarious "Commit suicide as the Captain" gimmick didn't work out exactly as you wanted but shit like that involves admin intervention.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:27 am #116294

Can we just go back to having this shit straight up banned?

It's causing the same fucking problems again, it should never have been lifted.

Either that or give Security the ability to deal with these fuckers not doing their jobs and fucking off to remote areas of the station to do whatever weird shit they feel like doing.

Shadowlight213 · Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:32 am

I agree with Sticky. If you've locked yourself away,
AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE LYING TOGETHER IN BED
you open yourself up for abuse even if you haven't done any sexual emotes yet and are just flirting.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:33 am #116296

Tornadium wrote:Can we just go back to having this shit straight up banned?

It's causing the same fucking problems again, it should never have been lifted.

Either that or give Security the ability to deal with these fuckers not doing their jobs and fucking off to remote areas of the station to do whatever weird shit they feel like doing.

Ehh but that would create not only a further incentive for people to do these acts, but distract security from more important matters like the actual rounds antagonists.

I suppose on reflection the only two viable options is either ban ERP forever or simply nuke anyone who even starts anything sexual the moment they emote the first letter. Anything else gets too obnoxious to police.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:46 am #116300

Steelpoint wrote:
Tornadium wrote:Can we just go back to having this shit straight up banned?

It's causing the same fucking problems again, it should never have been lifted.

Either that or give Security the ability to deal with these fuckers not doing their jobs and fucking off to remote areas of the station to do whatever weird shit they feel like doing.

Ehh but that would create not only a further incentive for people to do these acts, but distract security from more important matters like the actual rounds antagonists.

I suppose on reflection the only two viable options is either ban ERP forever or simply nuke anyone who even starts anything sexual the moment they emote the first letter. Anything else gets too obnoxious to police.

How so? If you know security is going to fuck with you if you go jerk off and not do your job how does that provide you an incentive? Do they want to be thrown into a 1x1 cell and walled off?

Rounds are slow, sometimes security needs something to do.

Bluespace · Post by **Bluespace** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:51 am #116301

let's just re-ban it.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:53 am #116302

Bluespace wrote:let's just re-ban it.

If I'm honest I'd prefer a "admins take no action" approach on people fucking with ERPers.

God that would be satisfying.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:03 am #116303

>unban something that was banned
>the reasons why it was banned repeat themselves

Stickymayhem · Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:17 pm

Tornadium wrote:
Bluespace wrote:let's just re-ban it.
If I'm honest I'd prefer a "admins take no action" approach on people fucking with ERPers.

God that would be satisfying.

That is already the case. The issue is unlike WGW it isn't easy to track down or notice so only observers tend to be subjected to it.

Anyway I'm just going to purge hard and fast like any admin should.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:10 am #116305

Stickymayhem wrote:
Tornadium wrote:
Bluespace wrote:let's just re-ban it.
If I'm honest I'd prefer a "admins take no action" approach on people fucking with ERPers.

God that would be satisfying.
That is already the case. The issue is unlike WGW it isn't easy to track down or notice so only observers tend to be subjected to it.

Anyway I'm just going to purge hard and fast like any admin should.

Oh I thought it was only admin intervention was allowed.

I'd have been fucking with a lot more people otherwise.

Stickymayhem · Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:17 pm

Tornadium wrote:
Stickymayhem wrote:
Tornadium wrote:
Bluespace wrote:let's just re-ban it.
If I'm honest I'd prefer a "admins take no action" approach on people fucking with ERPers.

God that would be satisfying.
That is already the case. The issue is unlike WGW it isn't easy to track down or notice so only observers tend to be subjected to it.

Anyway I'm just going to purge hard and fast like any admin should.
Oh I thought it was only admin intervention was allowed.

I'd have been fucking with a lot more people otherwise.

Slaughter degenerates to your heart's content

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:15 pm #116311

Can cyborgs ignore their laws if ERPs involved?

Skorvold · Post by **Skorvold** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:28 pm #116316

jesus can't admins have one nice thing

Scones · Post by **Scones** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:09 pm #116326

Scott wrote:Can cyborgs ignore their laws if ERPs involved?

No

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:44 pm #116327

I got mad at sticky because he killed some lizard players for flirting. Just as this thread goes, they didn't do jack shit and sticky killed them with a goliath. Yes, they have a reputation but that doesn't mean they are a free pass to admin grief the minute one of them drops a smooth line. You make it sound stupid sticky but your litterly killing people for actually not erping this time. Players are allowed to just roleplay without erping and maybe they wanted to do that round. Of course they could very well have erp'd later too but you are assuming intent and until actions are done, you shouldn't just murder them for lols.

As for the bluespace thing, it's alittle bit different. Bluespace was giving a robotocist a naked massage but technically no erp was being done. It is a naked massage though so maybe he was in the right to be murdered, but bluespace was also the damn captain. One of the few roles that is restricted to not go fucking off to fuck because of it's importance. Sticky walled them in and set them on fire and in turn making the captain items basically impossible to get to. Both situations were handled like shit in my opinion from sticky.

I hate watching the same people on sybil erp 24/7 too but they actually need to erp before you admin grief them. I kind of jumped the gun myself on Dr.Pillz once but at least he was naked in bed. It's sad that a policy discussion had to come to this but eh. Just like bans, treat erpers like a non-antag who murdered someone fnr. The deed must be done before the punishment is dished out. Anything less and it's admins shitting on people just roleplaying flirtyness.

Falamazeer · Post by **Falamazeer** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:59 pm #116329

Stickymayhem wrote:This is actually a slippery slope. This is exactly what happened last time that stopped ERPers being targeted by admins anymore. First it was this shit "Oh don't kill me we haven't even started" then people would do everything BUT actual sex and complain they weren't protected for it until eventually no one does anything to them anymore because they whine so loud that they can't fuck their metafriends.

If you've locked yourself off from everyone to grope or flirt or be weird you deserve what you get. I'm sorry your hilarious "Commit suicide as the Captain" gimmick didn't work out exactly as you wanted but shit like that involves admin intervention.

I stand with sticky on this, and the naked massage thing, Does anyone honestly believe that a naked massage wouldn't have been acted on under old rules? that should be enough for admin fuckery.

Come back when *wink gets you exploded and you might be fair to complain, the flirting might be a problem too, but that's the only specific instance that wasn't far enough into the old erp standards for me to care.

And I don't hear that lizard player complaining, so again, either it's bad enough for the subject to come complain himself, or it isn't and you puckered buttholes need to relax.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:11 pm #116330

NikNakFlak wrote:I got mad at sticky because he killed some lizard players for flirting. Just as this thread goes, they didn't do jack shit and sticky killed them with a goliath. Yes, they have a reputation but that doesn't mean they are a free pass to admin grief the minute one of them drops a smooth line. You make it sound stupid sticky but your litterly killing people for actually not erping this time. Players are allowed to just roleplay without erping and maybe they wanted to do that round. Of course they could very well have erp'd later too but you are assuming intent and until actions are done, you shouldn't just murder them for lols.

As for the bluespace thing, it's alittle bit different. Bluespace was giving a robotocist a naked massage but technically no erp was being done. It is a naked massage though so maybe he was in the right to be murdered, but bluespace was also the damn captain. One of the few roles that is restricted to not go fucking off to fuck because of it's importance. Sticky walled them in and set them on fire and in turn making the captain items basically impossible to get to. Both situations were handled like shit in my opinion from sticky.

I hate watching the same people on sybil erp 24/7 too but they actually need to erp before you admin grief them. I kind of jumped the gun myself on Dr.Pillz once but at least he was naked in bed. It's sad that a policy discussion had to come to this but eh. Just like bans, treat erpers like a non-antag who murdered someone fnr. The deed must be done before the punishment is dished out. Anything less and it's admins shitting on people just roleplaying flirtyness.

Just to check, why wasn't the Captain job banned for fucking off and not doing his job to start ERPing?

Bluespace · Post by **Bluespace** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:55 pm #116332

Tornadium wrote:
NikNakFlak wrote:I got mad at sticky because he killed some lizard players for flirting. Just as this thread goes, they didn't do jack shit and sticky killed them with a goliath. Yes, they have a reputation but that doesn't mean they are a free pass to admin grief the minute one of them drops a smooth line. You make it sound stupid sticky but your litterly killing people for actually not erping this time. Players are allowed to just roleplay without erping and maybe they wanted to do that round. Of course they could very well have erp'd later too but you are assuming intent and until actions are done, you shouldn't just murder them for lols.

As for the bluespace thing, it's alittle bit different. Bluespace was giving a robotocist a naked massage but technically no erp was being done. It is a naked massage though so maybe he was in the right to be murdered, but bluespace was also the damn captain. One of the few roles that is restricted to not go fucking off to fuck because of it's importance. Sticky walled them in and set them on fire and in turn making the captain items basically impossible to get to. Both situations were handled like shit in my opinion from sticky.

I hate watching the same people on sybil erp 24/7 too but they actually need to erp before you admin grief them. I kind of jumped the gun myself on Dr.Pillz once but at least he was naked in bed. It's sad that a policy discussion had to come to this but eh. Just like bans, treat erpers like a non-antag who murdered someone fnr. The deed must be done before the punishment is dished out. Anything less and it's admins shitting on people just roleplaying flirtyness.
Just to check, why wasn't the Captain job banned for fucking off and not doing his job to start ERPing?

Because that's not what happened.
45 minutes into a round (In which i'd been roleplaying the entire time), I took a roboticist to my "private room". I wasn't "fucking off", my headset never came off and I was available.
Let's try and stay on topic.

Kelenius · Post by **Kelenius** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:05 pm #116334

Jesus Christ.

You are terrible.

Did you just unban ERP so you could have more chances of getting a "mess with someone for free" card?

Scones · Post by **Scones** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:06 pm #116335

Kelenius wrote:Jesus Christ.

You are terrible.

Did you just unban ERP so you could have more chances of getting a "mess with someone for free" card?

Something something amazon gift card

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:33 pm #116338

The lizards complained in deadchat at the time but apparently didn't care enough to make a complaint or even post here or whatever so eh, fair point falamazeer.

DrPillzRedux · Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:55 pm

Actually I did post. Seems to have just been ignored.

I also forgot to mention the part where after the admin spawned a bunch of mobs in the shuttle trying to kill me, they finally said fuck it and just flipped me through the shuttle window into space.

Falamazeer · Post by **Falamazeer** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:05 pm #116347

DrPillzRedux wrote:Actually I did post. Seems to have just been ignored.

I also forgot to mention the part where after the admin spawned a bunch of mobs in the shuttle trying to kill me, they finally said fuck it and just flipped me through the shuttle window into space.

No you-

DrPillzRedux wrote:Actually yesterday some admin made someone a traitor just to kill me (failed) and spawned space abominations on me for saying "Love you." and hugging.

There's a time where it's funny, and a time where it's overkill and ruins muh RP that isn't ERP.

Oh, you did.
Well that's a fair complaint, and I am sufficiently outraged for you, apologies.

I guess there is a problem other than bluespaces phantom example, and bluespaces actual story which was completely to be expected and working as intended.

So instead of arguing from the weak point of view that captains who run off for special private nude massages are where the bar should be, let's all move along to saying that the bar should definately be above loves and hugs, and go from there.

Scones · Post by **Scones** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:45 pm #116352

This feels comparable to a school board meeting trying to decide what kind of romantic conduct is unacceptable.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:48 pm #116353

i told you dipshits this would happen

you could of prevented it