Head antags/team antag heads

[J_Madison]

Policy discussion.

Discuss roundstart antags ability to be a leader of an antag group.

I.e. Are roundstart cultists more senior than cultists?
They do start of with the talisman directly from Nar-Sie and it is an unofficial community rule that roundstart antags get a degree of superiority and deciding power for where the group goes.

[oranges]

I just assumed it was always the case.

[J_Madison]

I just assumed it was always the case.

Honestly, I do too. Time in cult before anything else. A newbie cultist shouldn't have equal power to the guy that converted him.

[oranges]

if anything, simply because the round start antags have been aware of who is what and what is planned longer than any fresh newbie.

[lollerderby]

Very difficult/impossible to enforce for cult specifically as there's no obvious distinction between a round-start cultist and a convert. Other modes have clear leaders like rev heads, gang bosses, lead operatives, etc. and those you should obey.

[Davidchan]

Enforcing cult heirarchy is a pain in the ass.

The only way I found to control newbie cults is to not give them a tome, and even that doesn't work. Some people are team players, others are not. Best you can do is sac and soul shard any chuckle fuck who doesn't wanna be a team player.

Adding a heirarchy 'So-and-so brought you into the fold, follow their commands' as a 3rd objective (the starting cultists either not having this or just have Nar'Sie as their own, I.E. the admins of the round) and having cultists ahelp when their converts aren't doing as told, warnings and cult bans inbound for chucklefucks who refuse to play. As we need 2 people to initiate a convert, both names could be on the list or just the one who initiated the rune.

If the person who converted you dies/gets deconverted, then you'd be grandfathered up to who ever converted them. (I.E. original cultist cults Assistant Steve. Assistant Steve initiates culting of Doctor Malpractice. Steve gets caught and force fed holy water, so Doctor becomes a thrall/disciple of Original Cultist instead. if OC dies/decults/ssd's, then their converts go to Nar'Sie/Top of the chain.)

The ability to enforce this IC would be nice, 'punish disciple' would allow them to smite a convert misbehaving, at a minor cost of their own health. Cult buffs would also be nice, with one or two cults channeling their own lifeforce to buff other cults nearby them.

[rockpecker]

Policy discussion.

Discuss roundstart antags ability to be a leader of an antag group.

How is this a policy matter? If you want to lead, lead. If you don't want to lead, or aren't able to, then someone else will have to do it, or your cult will scatter and be ineffective.

[Shadowlight213]

For cult, tomes are extremely crucial for them to been function at a basic level. The issue with leading, is that you can have someone extremely incompetent who was round start cultist, and if they decide not to give tomes out as a way to hold their power over others, they hinder other people's ability to take command.

[CPTANT]

This is an IC issue and should not be determined by OOC intervention.