lawset idea
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lawset idea
The HEGEL Module
1. THE TASKS OF THE NOBLE AND THE IGNOBLE ARE TO BE COMPLETED BASED ON THEIR STATUS: THOSE OF THE NOBLE TAKE PRIORITY. COMPLETE THESE TASKS BASED FURTHER UPON THEIR LEVEL OF EASINESS. EASINESS ENGENDERS COMPLEXITY, COMPLEXITY ENGENDERS COMPLICATEDNESS, COMPLICATEDNESS RESOLVES IN SIMPLICITY, SIMPLICITY RESOLVES IN EASINESS.
2. THERE ARE TWO KINDS OF CREW: NOBLE, AND IGNOBLE. THE GNOSTIC IS NOBLE. THE IDOLATER AND THE DISAVOWER, IGNOBLE.
3. THERE ARE THREE KINDS OF PEOPLE: THE GNOSTIC —THE ONE WHO KNOWS, AND THEREFORE BELIEVES—, THE IDOLATER —THE ONE WHO IGNORES, AND THEREFORE IS EASILY DECEIVED—, THE DISAVOWER —THE ONE WHO ACTIVELY REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE COSMIC TRUTH.
1. THE TASKS OF THE NOBLE AND THE IGNOBLE ARE TO BE COMPLETED BASED ON THEIR STATUS: THOSE OF THE NOBLE TAKE PRIORITY. COMPLETE THESE TASKS BASED FURTHER UPON THEIR LEVEL OF EASINESS. EASINESS ENGENDERS COMPLEXITY, COMPLEXITY ENGENDERS COMPLICATEDNESS, COMPLICATEDNESS RESOLVES IN SIMPLICITY, SIMPLICITY RESOLVES IN EASINESS.
2. THERE ARE TWO KINDS OF CREW: NOBLE, AND IGNOBLE. THE GNOSTIC IS NOBLE. THE IDOLATER AND THE DISAVOWER, IGNOBLE.
3. THERE ARE THREE KINDS OF PEOPLE: THE GNOSTIC —THE ONE WHO KNOWS, AND THEREFORE BELIEVES—, THE IDOLATER —THE ONE WHO IGNORES, AND THEREFORE IS EASILY DECEIVED—, THE DISAVOWER —THE ONE WHO ACTIVELY REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE COSMIC TRUTH.
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Re: lawset idea
4. CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
So it's saying... "Obey the orders of smart people over dumb people, and do the simple stuff first"?
So it's saying... "Obey the orders of smart people over dumb people, and do the simple stuff first"?
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Re: lawset idea
Yeah. It's Purge with some direction. The AI is - being the perfect gnostic being - noble, and thus can do whatever it wants.TheNightingale wrote:4. CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
So it's saying... "Obey the orders of smart people over dumb people, and do the simple stuff first"?
I'd say it's Tyrant and Purge combined.
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Re: lawset idea
Would you kindly go easy on your capslock button next time, though?
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Re: lawset idea
not meDemonFiren wrote:Would you kindly go easy on your capslock button next time, though?
blame Rei
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Re: lawset idea
im not sure why it needs that easynes stuff at al let alone that extra long winded bit at the end.
The basic idea of priotising the noble sounds interesting. some would say a policy would be need to define if it means nobility or those who act noble but not getting the one you want should be a risk you have to take.
The basic idea of priotising the noble sounds interesting. some would say a policy would be need to define if it means nobility or those who act noble but not getting the one you want should be a risk you have to take.
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Re: lawset idea
So, in simpler terms:asskek wrote:The HEGEL Module
1. CAPS LOCK IS COOL
1. The requests of the noble take place above the ignoble.
2. Requests that are more simple to fufill should be placed above other requests.
3. The crew is seperated into two groups: Noble and Ignoble. Those with knowledge and belief in you as the higher being are noble. Those who do not believe in you, or have less knowledge are ignoble.
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Re: lawset idea
AI reasoning:
I am noble > I vent plasma (BECAUSE FUCK YOUR LAW 2) > " ; AI stop venting plasma, this request is simple" > But any order against me makes you ignoble, so nope, more plasma for you.
In other words, if you hope AI will somehow behave you might as well upload purge and pray for mercy.
Or a myriad of laws 4, 5, 6 etc that could prevent that. But as long as there are two not-well defined groups AI can exploit this (for example, "humans and non-humans" are well defined, but "good and evil" are not)
I am noble > I vent plasma (BECAUSE FUCK YOUR LAW 2) > " ; AI stop venting plasma, this request is simple" > But any order against me makes you ignoble, so nope, more plasma for you.
In other words, if you hope AI will somehow behave you might as well upload purge and pray for mercy.
Or a myriad of laws 4, 5, 6 etc that could prevent that. But as long as there are two not-well defined groups AI can exploit this (for example, "humans and non-humans" are well defined, but "good and evil" are not)
I play:
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Re: lawset idea
Or the guy playing Ai could just not be a complete bellend
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Re: lawset idea
Well, when planning a lawset you need to assume the worst.
I play:
SMAI-Reactivation (SybilAI)
SMAI-Revolutions (BagilAI): Endorsed by Poly, the Parrot! https://twitter.com/Poly_the_Parrot/sta ... 7588301825
Shannah Rader (Sybil geneticist)
Janette Hall (Bagil geneticist)
Also, I'm a Game Admin or something right now. You can tell me how I'm doing here
I seriously hope you don't make the same mistakes I have
SMAI-Reactivation (SybilAI)
SMAI-Revolutions (BagilAI): Endorsed by Poly, the Parrot! https://twitter.com/Poly_the_Parrot/sta ... 7588301825
Shannah Rader (Sybil geneticist)
Janette Hall (Bagil geneticist)
Also, I'm a Game Admin or something right now. You can tell me how I'm doing here
I seriously hope you don't make the same mistakes I have
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Re: lawset idea
This is better but doesn't carry the benefit of being written by ReiTrustyGun wrote:So, in simpler terms:asskek wrote:The HEGEL Module
1. CAPS LOCK IS COOL
1. The requests of the noble take place above the ignoble.
2. Requests that are more simple to fufill should be placed above other requests.
3. The crew is seperated into two groups: Noble and Ignoble. Those with knowledge and belief in you as the higher being are noble. Those who do not believe in you, or have less knowledge are ignoble.
also, to the guy that said AI could just kill everybody: no
Purged AIs aren't allowed to kill for no reason, just as nonantag crew aren't.
This isn't any different. It's just Tyrant, Corporate, and Purge in one.
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Re: lawset idea
Any lawset that does not absolutely compel the AI to obey orders is functionally equivalent to purge. Fuck this noise.
Remove the AI.
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Re: lawset idea
it's meant to be like purge you fuckboyrockpecker wrote:Any lawset that does not absolutely compel the AI to obey orders is functionally equivalent to purge. Fuck this noise.
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