On the subject of the Surgery Duffelbag's MMI

[Anonmare]

I'd like to make a request for the MMI to not connect a borg to the robo console.
If I recall correctly, the surgery bag costs approximately 6 TCs (the same as an emag) with the only two major things of value being the MMI and the bag itself (even if it paints a huge "This guy is a traitor, toolbox and space his ass"). Considering the hefty investment when you can just use an emag (which can be used to hack potentially infinite number of borgs instead of just the one) I think the MMI should have more to offer or have it's price severely reduced.

On the subject of the duffelbag itself, I'd like to request that as a 1 TC item for independant purchase. It's a fairly robust bag, 2 extra slots for no-slowdown, with a big valid sign painted on it and does have one or two uses for traitors going down the loud route.

[Zilenan91]

It needs to connect to the borg console to be balanced. Otherwise we'd have syndies get secborgs with infinite ammo lasers every round murdering everything.

[PKPenguin321]

It needs to connect to the borg console to be balanced. Otherwise we'd have syndies get secborgs with infinite ammo lasers every round murdering everything.

excuse me but i have literally never seen anybody buy this bag and successfully get a patient to perform the surgery on AND get a cyborg shell. this would not happen ever round, you're absolutely fucking insane if you think it will.

make it make the patient into a syndieborg (dont actually do this), or just make it cost like 2 TCs or something since it's basically a garbage item anyways

[Zilenan91]

I got debrained by a chaplain once. Got emagged, killed the AI, then killed 20 more people before a revenant EMP'd me, shit was insane because there weren't any borg consoles left. Literally unstoppable.

[PKPenguin321]

I got debrained by a chaplain once. Got emagged, killed the AI, then killed 20 more people before a revenant EMP'd me, shit was insane because there weren't any borg consoles left. Literally unstoppable.

good on the chaplain for managing to make a cyborg shell. he must have been doing pretty well for himself before you came in.
and basically you were like any competent emagged borg then. emagged borgs are really really good when they know what they're doing just off of the principle of them being near-unstunnable metal monsters

the difference with the bag is that it costs as much as an emag for only one borg, whereas an emag can potentially be as many borgs as robotics is able to put out.

[Zilenan91]

It was metastation so he just took 2 seconds to make one in maint. After that I think he died and I was on my own so I murdered everything and was unstoppable.

[PKPenguin321]

It was metastation so he just took 2 seconds to make one in maint. After that I think he died and I was on my own so I murdered everything and was unstoppable.

like i said, this is basically any competent emagged borg

and to restate, an emag costs as much as a bag but can get potentially as many borgs are there are materials to make them

[Zilenan91]

I think you missed my point. My point was that emagged secborgs are disgusting and shouldn't be any easier to make than they are now.

[PKPenguin321]

I think you missed my point. My point was that emagged secborgs are disgusting and shouldn't be any easier to make than they are now.

they're still not any easier to make unless you have an exofab, which only like 1 out of all of the maps has available to the public

[Actionb]

Make the duffelbag come with an endoskeleton?

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense... but then again, neither does having a fancy syndicate MMI without access to an exofab (that can make unlimited MMIs with a bit of work).
A rogue cyborg ghost not showing up on the robo console would be a nightmare.

[newfren]

I managed to make one of these once back when throwing bottles still forcefed your target neurotoxin and perfluorodecalin at the same time.

I gave it a syndicate headset key to communicate with it and someone overheard it at the bar.

It's one of my favourite things to do as assistant traitor, but it almost never works out.

[Ezel]

Make the mmi just be builded in with a stndie headset and cone with a bluespace cap cell problem fixed

[lumipharon]

Up the cost and add an item to the duffle to upgrade a borg to a syndie borg :^)

[PKPenguin321]

Up the cost and add an item to the duffle to upgrade a borg to a syndie borg :^)

i don't know if there's any clean way to do this, since afaik normal borgs and syndie borgs are technically two different entities (syndieborgs are a child of borgs)
i'm also not sure this is a good idea in the first place considering how strong a normal emagged borg is already

[Drynwyn]

Up the cost and add an item to the duffle to upgrade a borg to a syndie borg :^)

i don't know if there's any clean way to do this, since afaik normal borgs and syndie borgs are technically two different entities (syndieborgs are a child of borgs)
i'm also not sure this is a good idea in the first place considering how strong a normal emagged borg is already

Yeah, but a nontrivial portion of their strength comes from the fact that they are hard to differentiate at a glance from normal borgs, while syndieborgs are quicly identifiable.

[InsaneHyena]

Literally never seen surgery dufflebag bought. Well, actually, there was this one time when I did it, but I also TC traded for a cyborg shell. The dufflebag is incredibly overpriced.

[PKPenguin321]

i was gonna go reduce their price but it turns out they're actually only 4 TCs not 6
i'm gonna halve it anyways since they're almost never bought and rarely practical

edit: actually maybe ill lower it to 3 TCs since if it was 2 it would be pretty much a straight upgrade to the e-dagger