What three trekchems do you want back?

Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:46 am

Click here to see an image of the chemistry wiki page from when goofchem was first being added and trekchem was still mostly in the game.

When I say "do you want back," I mean back as in available to chemistry, and chemists can brew them like normal again. Chems like bicardine and kelotane are still in, but cannot be obtained via normal chemistry, so they still count for this poll. Most chems that were simply renamed and are mostly intact, such as alkysine, are exempt from the poll.

Remember to say why you want said chems. Chems might not be added without tweaks (for example, if we re-add brewable tricordrazine, it would likely get rebalanced so that healing isn't RNG and the OD threshold is higher and the OD effects are less painful, or itgets auto-purged from your body if you exceed a certain amount, something to that effect).

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:47 am #157938

For what purpose

Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:50 am

Zilenan91 wrote:For what purpose

To appease the trekchem-wanters (like myself) and end goofball's blackmail forever

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:52 am #157941

So no real reason other than nostalgia then.

Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:53 am

Zilenan91 wrote:So no real reason other than nostalgia then.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

kazeespada · Post by **kazeespada** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:01 am #157946

Readd tricord. You can fucking OD on omnizine and its slow as shit.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:14 am #157951

Re-add all of them, jesus fuck. ALL OF IT.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:17 am #157952

Anti-Toxin:
Charcoal is literally anti-toxin, but it purges all chems instead of just toxins. Considering overdoses are a thing, why would I ever use anti-toxin when I could use charcoal and purge ODs? There is 100% no point to adding it.

Bicard:
Styptic powder heals more than Bicard does with the on application healing. I ran the numbers in a thread somewhere. It's also in sleepers. Just use those if you're so desparate for trekchem healing.

Dexalin: Why? Salbutamol is already leagues ahead of it and available by default in the oxygen loss kits.

Dexalin Plus: This is never getting re-added. No downside "instantly set my oxygen loss to 0 with 0.4u which takes literally no time at all to make"? Fuck off with that shit.

Kelotane:
Same situation as bicard. Swap styptic for silver sulf and bicard for kelotane, and you got the correct argument. It's also in sleepers. Just use those if you're so desparate for trekchem healing.

Dermaline:
No downside "makes kelotane obsolete"? No.

Clonexadone:
Why would I ever use clonex over cryox? Cryox is literally clonex. I removed clonex and make cryox the default with clonex stats, because why would I ever stop at cryox when I could do a few more quick clicks and get clonex?

Tricord:
Ah yes, tricord. The "every single other medicine is irrelevant :^)" chem. Literally a cure-all. You guys bitch about how medical isn't complicated enough, but want to re-add the 50u "heal everything for the next 30 minutes" pills? It's also already in mediborgs.

Sleep Toxin:
I've been meaning to re-add this as ketamine, which is sleep toxin but with a name that fits the rest of the chemistry system's naming setup. Don't bother adding this.

Synthi-flesh:
This shouldn't have been removed. If it did, whoops. We should re-add that.

Polytrinic acid:
Okay, so here's the deal with acid:

It got renamed to hydrofluoric acid
Then phil did his acid nerfs and shit

Hydrofluoric acid is literally polyacid. It has a different name. Even if the name change hadn't occured, phil's acid nerfs would have still gone through.

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:23 am #157954

Actually it's fluorosulphuric acid now

Other than that though, yeah I don't think we really have spots for these chems to come back alongside goofchem since they were pretty much directly replaced

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:25 am #157956

I don't think mediborgs have tricord

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:26 am #157957

Anonmare wrote:I don't think mediborgs have tricord

I gave it to them, it's in their injector thingy, unless it got removed again.

Post by **lumipharon** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:27 am #157958

>trek chems are dumb and need to be removed, they let you just heal everything with a pill!
>don't revert to trekchem, my goofchems more effectively heal with a single click then trekchems ever did!

I laf evry tiem.

In all seriousness though, I miss synth meat the most. That shit was awesome as fuck for the chef.
Clonex (and other healing shit you could add to cryo) was also good since it made cryo less bad, and meant there was a noticable differene between a competent chemist and a lazy/absent one

Also anti tox not removing chems is very significant, as there are plenty of times someone has toxin damage but not actual toxins in their systems (ie: after the poison has worn off, radiation, e-bow etc). Havin it drain other chems means a healing cocktail is far, far less efficient.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:28 am #157959

Healing cocktails don't happen in goofchem, so that's not really an issue.

TechnoAlchemist · Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:29 am

Kelotane and Dermaline were good to both have because chemists could make good pills with both. Tricord is fine as long as there is an OD threshold, dexalin plus should come back. Bicardine was nice because it was ingestable, the fact that so many chems aren't able to be ingested is stupid.

Really the only thing that trek chem needed was an OD system.

(Also the pyrotechnics are cool)

Post by **lumipharon** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:36 am #157962

replacing trek chems with goof chems that can't be swallowed without poisoning yourself was really the biggest drawback of memechem. Literally all it achieved was forcing all effect healing into patches (which are super OP compared to trek chems), while removing half a dozen ways to heal that were possible with trek chem.

Also not quite true Zil, but even that aside, since anti tox is a trek chem adn thaat's was we're talking about, it's kinda an issue.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:37 am #157963

did any of you even read anything that I posted

why do I even bother trying to argue anymore, you just apply a fresh coat of rose paint to your glasses every time

Davidchan · Post by **Davidchan** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:51 am #157967

Synthmeat still exists (Cryox + blood) and I've used it to sate the chef more than once.

Mediborgs have Saline-Glucose, not tricord. Unless you mean Medi-bots that robotics makes with first aid kits, i was under the impression that they created omnizine but I honestly don't know.

Honestly I just want Doctor's Delight back, even if its a bit nerfed it was nice to be able to work with a bartender to make lots of fun drinks and healing meds, we need more cross over between the dispensers that aid both jobs.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:57 am #157970

Doctor's delight is never ever ever coming back.

Mediborgs should have tricord, I recall adding it just for them to use.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:05 am #157987

Readd all of them, polytrinic acid 2556, return DD.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:07 am #157988

I like how /vg/ still has trekchems AND a decent medical system.

Lumbermancer · Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:22 am

Why they were removed in the first place? Did changing chemistry to goon needed change of names as well?

Anyway, Trico. Because Trico sounds nice. Chemist prep me a beaker of Trico. Yes.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:25 am #157991

Snowflakeism

Helios · Post by **Helios** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:26 am #157992

iamgoofball wrote:Anti-Toxin:
Charcoal is literally anti-toxin, but it purges all chems instead of just toxins. Considering overdoses are a thing, why would I ever use anti-toxin when I could use charcoal and purge ODs? There is 100% no point to adding it.

Bicard:
Styptic powder heals more than Bicard does with the on application healing. I ran the numbers in a thread somewhere. It's also in sleepers. Just use those if you're so desparate for trekchem healing.

Dexalin: Why? Salbutamol is already leagues ahead of it and available by default in the oxygen loss kits.

Dexalin Plus: This is never getting re-added. No downside "instantly set my oxygen loss to 0 with 0.4u which takes literally no time at all to make"? Fuck off with that shit.

Kelotane:
Same situation as bicard. Swap styptic for silver sulf and bicard for kelotane, and you got the correct argument. It's also in sleepers. Just use those if you're so desparate for trekchem healing.

Dermaline:
No downside "makes kelotane obsolete"? No.

Clonexadone:
Why would I ever use clonex over cryox? Cryox is literally clonex. I removed clonex and make cryox the default with clonex stats, because why would I ever stop at cryox when I could do a few more quick clicks and get clonex?

Tricord:
Ah yes, tricord. The "every single other medicine is irrelevant :^)" chem. Literally a cure-all. You guys bitch about how medical isn't complicated enough, but want to re-add the 50u "heal everything for the next 30 minutes" pills? It's also already in mediborgs.

Sleep Toxin:
I've been meaning to re-add this as ketamine, which is sleep toxin but with a name that fits the rest of the chemistry system's naming setup. Don't bother adding this.

Synthi-flesh:
This shouldn't have been removed. If it did, whoops. We should re-add that.

Polytrinic acid:
Okay, so here's the deal with acid:

It got renamed to hydrofluoric acid
Then phil did his acid nerfs and shit

Hydrofluoric acid is literally polyacid. It has a different name. Even if the name change hadn't occured, phil's acid nerfs would have still gone through.

Goofball, if Bicard and Kelotane are creatable, it's a buff to Odysseus's basically

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:08 pm #158006

Goofchem was a mistake. It was change for the sake of it when it would have taken less effort to balance trekchem.

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:15 pm #158009

Rename charcoal to Dylovene. Charcoal is, in real life, ingested to absorb certain very specific poisons. In the stomach.

Not fucking injected into the bloodstream, that would literally kill someone quite quickly. Call it Dylovene, because the charcoal in game is fictional.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:28 pm #158011

Cheimon wrote:Rename charcoal to Dylovene. Charcoal is, in real life, ingested to absorb certain very specific poisons. In the stomach.

Not fucking injected into the bloodstream, that would literally kill someone quite quickly. Call it Dylovene, because the charcoal in game is fictional.

Be a special snowflake and make charcoal deal massive damage when injected and only heal on ingestion.
Add dylovene, which works the other way around.

Watch as chemistry murders everyone on accident.

Super Aggro Crag · Sun Feb 28, 2016 3:44 pm

BUFF ACID

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 4:37 pm #158035

I would like to get some trekchems readded to botany, or at the very least add some better goofchems. Botany used to have bicardine in poppies and kelotane in tea astra. Now all they have is garbage saline glucose in everything, except omnizine in ambrosia deus. I want muh natural remedies back dammit.

Also FOR THE SWEET TITTY FUCKING LOVE OF GOD CHANGE THE NAME OF CHARCOAL GOD DAMN AAAAAAAAAA. Goofball if you bring up active charcoal i will legit ban you for six years. Like Cheimon said active charcoal is pumped in to the stomach to prevent absorption and induce vomiting. If you injected it you would die. This bothers my autisms so god damn much

Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:30 am

We need to make medical chemistry more difficult! Trekchems make things too easy, you just pop a pill and you're all better! Goofchems aren't nearly as stupidly good as trekchems are, they are much weaker, and in fact they--

iamgoofball wrote: Styptic powder heals more than Bicard does with the on application healing. I ran the numbers in a thread somewhere. (In other words, it's even better than "stupidly good" bicardine)

Dexalin: Why? Salbutamol is already leagues ahead of it and available by default in the oxygen loss kits. (In other words, it's even better than "stupidly good" dexalin)

Kelotane:
Same situation as bicard. Swap styptic for silver sulf and bicard for kelotane, and you got the correct argument. (In other words, it's even better than "stupidly good" kelotane. isn't this medical system so hardcore and weak compared to trekchem?)

Hm...

That aside, there are hardly any half-decent chemicals that can heal you on ingestion. Styptic and all that bullshit is fine, it heals stronger and has a higher OD rate but is more of a pain in the ass to use, but I don't see why we can't have bicardine exist along side it as an easier-to-ingest but slightly weaker brute damage healer, or perhaps stronger brute damage healer but with a strict OD threshold. Same can go for a lot of chems. Application methods changing the way they did with goofchem was IMO one of the absolute worst parts of goofchem.

Also, I'd really like to see clonexadone back. It sucks at healing, but is great for patching up clone damage specifically, and requires a chemist to make as it's not provided roundstart. It gives chemists something to do, and removing it and just giving it to medbay roundstart (in the form of buffed cryoxadone) it the opposite of making medical more engaging.

Screemonster · Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:44 am

iamgoofball wrote:Doctor's delight is never ever ever coming back.

Goof "my way or the highway" ball providing a perfect example of why other servers refuse to allow him within a million miles of their code

Cuboos · Post by **Cuboos** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:31 am #158191

Charcoal is a bitch to make, if i want a decent batch i have to go and gather a bunch of paper, spread it every where and light it on fire. Anti-toxin could be readded as an easier to make but less effective chemical or something?

Also, why not rename some of the chemicals to be trek chemicals while still keeping the current system/just tweaking it slightly?

Also bring back poly-acid grenades 2016. I WANT MY HALLWAYS FULL OF HUSKS GOD DAMN IT.

TechnoAlchemist · Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:34 am

Doctor's delight is already back in though, so uh. Yeah.

Making healing chems more difficult to make was pointless, as chem rarely if ever has to make healing chemicals unless someone has intentionally raided medbay of their supply.

Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:38 am

TechnoAlchemist wrote:Doctor's delight is already back in though, so uh. Yeah.

Doctor's delight used to be a straight-up better tricordrazine. I admittedly like it better the way it is now, as a slight healing reagent for minor injuries rather than super heal-all.

Post by **lumipharon** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:59 am #158197

A 25/25 patch of silversulf and styptic is more powerful and faster than a fat dose of old DD ever was, with the only drawbacks being of course not effecting toxin or oxy damage (which is uncommon, and almost entirely fixed with an epi/time respectively).
All while not requiring leaving chemistry to make! Wooo, insular departments.

Takeguru · Post by **Takeguru** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:38 am #158207

I would like pacid to return to it's original glory and smoke to not be fucking useless

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:44 am #158212

Splashing a beaker of fluorosulph on someone already melts all their shit (save for maybe a hardsuit), and you can just carry around a bunch of beakers of it. For something that is literally ggnore, being a bit difficult to use is a pretty fair tradeoff

Yakumo_Chen · Post by **Yakumo_Chen** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:57 am #158213

Emagged medical borgs have been useless forever because of pacid nerfs. They can't even do any decent self-defense except with the fucking default saw because their pacid spray does LITERALLY NOTHING

Post by **lumipharon** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:59 am #158215

Shaps wrote:Splashing a beaker of fluorosulph on someone already melts all their shit (save for maybe a hardsuit), and you can just carry around a bunch of beakers of it. For something that is literally ggnore, being a bit difficult to use is a pretty fair tradeoff

Have you TRIED acid lately? It's fuckin shit now yo.

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:11 am #158220

Yakumo_Chen wrote:Emagged medical borgs have been useless forever because of pacid nerfs. They can't even do any decent self-defense except with the fucking default saw because their pacid spray does LITERALLY NOTHING

probably because it squirts like 5-10u at a time

lumipharon wrote:
Shaps wrote:Splashing a beaker of fluorosulph on someone already melts all their shit (save for maybe a hardsuit), and you can just carry around a bunch of beakers of it. For something that is literally ggnore, being a bit difficult to use is a pretty fair tradeoff
Have you TRIED acid lately? It's fuckin shit now yo.

uh yea I did actually, 50u of acid is enough to melt everything but the captain's carapace off his back and dump his backpack down on the ground (and I'm pretty sure will do the same for anyone with no armor/chest only armor, worked for standard sec officers as well). The only way to resist getting all your shit melted by a 100u beaker is to have full body armor like the Warden/HoS jackets or a hardsuit, and even then it seems there's still a chance for 100u to just melt all the warden/HoS' shit off anyway so it's not a guaranteed resist

Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:12 am

Shaps wrote:
Yakumo_Chen wrote:Emagged medical borgs have been useless forever because of pacid nerfs. They can't even do any decent self-defense except with the fucking default saw because their pacid spray does LITERALLY NOTHING
probably because it squirts like 5-10u at a time

lumipharon wrote:
Shaps wrote:Splashing a beaker of fluorosulph on someone already melts all their shit (save for maybe a hardsuit), and you can just carry around a bunch of beakers of it. For something that is literally ggnore, being a bit difficult to use is a pretty fair tradeoff
Have you TRIED acid lately? It's fuckin shit now yo.
uh yea I did actually, 50u of acid is enough to melt everything but the captain's carapace off his back and dump his backpack down on the ground (and I'm pretty sure will do the same for anyone with no armor/chest only armor, worked for standard sec officers as well). The only way to resist getting all your shit melted by a 100u beaker is to have full body armor like the Warden/HoS jackets or a hardsuit, and even then it seems there's still a chance for 100u to just melt all the warden/HoS' shit off anyway so it's not a guaranteed resist

still not even remotely close to the level of old acid

Yakumo_Chen · Post by **Yakumo_Chen** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:18 am #158224

Hacked Medborgs should just get a refilling beaker of pacid or something then, or make the spray do 30u bursts, the current spray is shit and worthless and has never been fixed

the point of the spray is that you're supposed to be able to melt the shit out of everything

Incomptinence · Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:17 am

acid acid acid

Like I don't get why some people fuss over acid so much bombs are much nastier.

Yakumo_Chen · Post by **Yakumo_Chen** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:39 am #158254

Acid has practical stealth uses, bombs just explode and do damage.

Helios · Post by **Helios** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:49 am #158256

Acid also had stealth usage as acided people would talk and look like unknown because their face was melted off, so you wouldn't know who was who

newfren · Post by **newfren** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:12 am #158259

Cuboos wrote:Charcoal is a bitch to make, if i want a decent batch i have to go and gather a bunch of paper, spread it every where and light it on fire. Anti-toxin could be readded as an easier to make but less effective chemical or something?

Also, why not rename some of the chemicals to be trek chemicals while still keeping the current system/just tweaking it slightly?

Also bring back poly-acid grenades 2016. I WANT MY HALLWAYS FULL OF HUSKS GOD DAMN IT.

why the fuck are you burning paper to make charcoal what

15 u each of sodium, chlorine, water, welding fuel, carbon, and hydrogen makes 90u of charcoal once you stick it in a heater set to 1000 so it doesn't take 10 years to heat up.

If you make it with 5u of the above you can then add 30u carbon and 15u water and hydrogen to make a bunch of oculine and inacusiate too.

Incomptinence · Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:14 pm

Stealth that's your reason?

Like it's not even a mute all the more reason getting your location out is more important than HALP!

confused rock · Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:28 pm

lumipharon wrote:>trek chems are dumb and need to be removed, they let you just heal everything with a pill!
>don't revert to trekchem, my goofchems more effectively heal with a single click then trekchems ever did!

>bruise packs op lets make them, ointment, and fucking gauze take 10 seconds to put on a single limb
>here have a version of bruise packs that heals you 100%, has minor healing over time, and is instant for you but not others

Buggy · Post by **Buggy** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:37 pm #158387

Could we maybe get Clonexadone except it's like old Cryoxadone, when it was good? No more 'you gotta be -5 million degrees for it to heal' bullshit?

ShadowDimentio · Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:10 pm

I remember back in the days of yore where pacid smoke grenades were basically a fast way to hell and would kill anyone that ran through it.

Those were the days

Which chems would you rather have back?