Add a storage unit in front of R&D desk

[Slignerd]

Much like Chemistry with fridges, but as a storage unit that accepts R&D designs. It would allow Scientist to deposit their equipment for crew to use, without placing every single thing on the desk or having everyone inside the lab - multiple people using the console is a pain as it is.

Mechanically similar to the storage units found in bluespace shelter capsules that accept literally anything, I suppose?

[calzilla1]

I like it. Though put a wall in the vending machine so it wont just be wrenched for free R&D access

[Gun Hog]

I support this idea with calzilla's modification. EDIT: It could possible be resprited as a "wall-mounted vendor" so it makes immersive sense.

[Slignerd]

Meh. I don't think it should be different from the fridge in Chemistry in this aspect. If anyone tries to wrench in, just call security.

[Cheridan]

Science is a restricted area (moonlighting is NOT OK)

[XDTM]

The wall in the vending machine already exists in meta's chemistry, so it's nothing new

[Slignerd]

The wall in the vending machine already exists in meta's chemistry, so it's nothing new

Oh, it's already a thing? Then I'd be fine with the storage unit and a wall on the same tile.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Same with the bartender machine on meta

[BeeSting12]

I actually thought of that when reading the "science is my autism fort get out reeeeee" thread.
edit: fort not for

[PKPenguin321]

just use the table jesus christ

1. click the windoor (dont bump it) so it stays open
2. throw shit onto the table
3. click windoor again

have a lot of shit, like 50 pico manipulators?
1. put all that shit in your backpack
2. open the windoor
3. drag your backpack to the floor under the table
4. close the windoor

oh fuck that's just too hard my dude, we need a fridge for our guns (???????)

[Slignerd]

You clearly haven't ever tried to distribute 10+ magboots while gravity's shut down, have you?

[PKPenguin321]

how is clicking on a fridge somehow easier than clicking on a table in that scenario

[Slignerd]

Because it gets covered entirely the moment you place like 5 of those, and have to struggle to even find a spot to click on after that.

[PKPenguin321]

so what you're really asking for is a bigger table

[Slignerd]

No, what I'm really asking for is a storage unit where I can deposit items for people to pick up from an accessible list.

[PKPenguin321]

that's kind of dumb

[TechnoAlchemist]

Storage unit would be cool

[Firebat1234]

You should make it so that you have to put your ID into it and have it leave a log on the RnD server or something.
That way you know who took two bags of holding at once and who to shoot when a surprise singulo pops up on the escape shuttle.

[Slignerd]

It'd probably simply be wisest not to put two bags of holding into it instead. It's the kind of item you'd be better off distributing at individual request.

[John_Oxford]

you could always throw the magboots on the table
its not like you need to place them

[Slignerd]

you could always throw the magboots on the table
its not like you need to place them

> Throwing things with no gravity.

Good luck :^)

[Reyn]

You should make it so that you have to put your ID into it and have it leave a log on the RnD server or something.
That way you know who took two bags of holding at once and who to shoot when a surprise singulo pops up on the escape shuttle.

Or to see who the fuck stole the welding gasmask and is welding into everything

[FantasticFwoosh]

that's kind of dumb

^^^

You're forgetting that feasably that what goes out must come in and that fridges are omnidirectional. Suddenly if you have this valuable fridge that can hold all sorts of shit printed off from science (/all items because R&D also often run mech/autolathe bits and bobs) people are going to remove and steal it for personal use as a trashcan to put their robbed armory inside like a static BOH.

Poorly thought out in practical terms but noble solution.

[Slignerd]

When's the last time you saw anyone unwrench chemistry fridge and use it as a personal medkit.

[FantasticFwoosh]

When's the last time you saw anyone unwrench chemistry fridge and use it as a personal medkit.

I've seen it hauled around plenty, i havent seen it as a personal medkit for months when a chemist was doing rounds just bringing the fridge to them but really if chemistry gave out dangerous patches or had a reason to funnel things into its BOH infinite space it'd happen more often.

What you're asking is to print of endless supplies of things, then people fight about storage of valuable designs and/or literally shove guns/live grenades into it to pull out and murderbone as well as serve as a personal shield while dragging. Greifing greyshitters/drones will steal it off the walls immediately to set up their own checkpoint labs/shops with no regards for you and tell you to 'deal wit it'.

[Jacough]

The last time someone unwrenched my chem vendor it was an assistant who was upset because I wouldn't give him meth and space lube. Since then though I've just gotten into the habit of giving greyshits salt tablets labeled meth or just filling spray bottles up with salt.

[oranges]

When's the last time you saw anyone unwrench chemistry fridge and use it as a personal medkit.

I've seen it hauled around plenty,

Straight up LIES! I demand evidence

[FantasticFwoosh]

> Every round where people remove and haul the chem dispenser away to get at the wall. Like i said i haven't personally seen it be dragged and USED in ages, which is a bit of a different subject to just removing it from its fittings and dropping it somewhere else.

My other points still stand.

[Slignerd]

Just ignore Fwoosh and add it anyway to be honest :^)

[FantasticFwoosh]

Just ignore Fwoosh and add it anyway to be honest :^)

Why are you making this personal, you're literally saying "add this to flip his shit lol" when its really broken, poorly thought out and impractical.

Basically go ask goof to code it.

[Slignerd]

What? It's an incredibly practical idea. Much better than forcing people to barge into labs to even see what's available.

The only thing that would be poorly thought out would be science putting anything actually dangerous in it, like you seem to imply. Don't blame the storage for what idiots choose to store in it. Just don't put anything you don't want publicly available into public storage. Problem solved.

I mean, I know you probably don't want anything to be publicly available, but there are people who don't share that sentiment, you know.

[iamgoofball]

Have you tried asking what's available? Like, using your words?

[Slignerd]

I did. The problem is that when I don't ask for specific things, I never get a coherent, informative answer. Because to expect a Scientist to cite all of the research levels and available designs is insanity.

At least with a storage unit in place, competent Scientists could regularly deposit items and make the crew's lives a bit better. I know it goes against the autistic attitude you and Fwoosh tend to show regarding Science, where no one deserves anything from you and all other crew is evil, but you shouldn't let that get in the way of people who actually try to be useful.

Please don't bring your cuck shed ramblings into legitimate suggestions.

[FantasticFwoosh]

I did. The problem is that when I don't ask for specific things, I never get a coherent answer. Because to expect a Scientist to cite all of the research levels and available designs is insanity.

At least with a storage unit in place, competent Scientists could regularly deposit items and make the crew's lives a bit better. I know it goes against the autistic attitude you and Fwoosh tend to show regarding Science, but you shouldn't let that get in the way of people who actually try to be useful.

Please don't bring your cuck shed ramblings into legitimate suggestions.

I literally haven't uttered a word about the cuck shed at all for you to attack a straw man. Goof (probably the guy to ask in coding this fringe unnessecary suggestion in which is a big gamble) actually asked you a direct question and you said ("nah some stuff") then accused him out of the blue on being autistic for sharing a opinion with me that one time on a cuck shed forum topic, tone it down a notch please, you're starting drama in the suggestions forum as a excuse for lack of forward planning and question swerving.

So literally what goes in there (a actual list of definite things and things you deem 'dangerous' to be ruled out), because people WILL ask for specific 'products' from a table because thats just how RND works. And what will stop people like the mime/clown taking it away for pranks/personal misuse short of it being a static object (defeating the object of having a standard fridge design if its just a static infinite storage container for nearly all objects)

Coders are not going to copy-paste the entire list of things for a static machine, and everytime RND gets a new item/changed the allowances will be constantly fumbling about between barred and additional items. With whatever changes you make, it'll be more coding work to actually amend the fridge each time in synch than to code the new RND stuff.

If anything in my own personal suggestion to add, having a actual static protolathe printer, facing and dropping goods in the direction of the outside in a 'serve yourself science vendomat' kind of deal would actually be better than a fridge, because that actually requires scientists to waste time putting stuff in when miners can literally serve themselves by walking up to the vendomat/public protolathe machine, funnel the minerals inside and print off their own things.

[Reyn]

that's kind of dumb

^^^

You're forgetting that feasably that what goes out must come in and that fridges are omnidirectional. Suddenly if you have this valuable fridge that can hold all sorts of shit printed off from science (/all items because R&D also often run mech/autolathe bits and bobs) people are going to remove and steal it for personal use as a trashcan to put their robbed armory inside like a static BOH.

Poorly thought out in practical terms but noble solution.

Says the guy who wants to make science into a cancer castle

[FantasticFwoosh]

Oh sure fling more drama and unrelated crap at this thread's wall and see what sticks.

Throw this in the cuck shed or delete posts please, is terminally saturated.

[Slignerd]

Well, to address the earlier concern of having to code what does and does not fit - I don't think there's really any need to restrict the items you can put inside at all. I'm sure it could be given a circuit schematic as well, so it's not like people would steal it just for the sake of having it - you could just get the boards and get a new machine easily. Just like you can already print Smart Fridge boards.

[Gun Hog]

If I were to code this (The actual barrier for me is mapping), I would add an unrestricted item vendor next to the table. The actual capacity (number of items it can store) is limited and can be increased with matter bin upgrades (similar to the slime fridge, probably all of the fridges).

[FantasticFwoosh]

I spent five minutes on vg and they have literally solved this problem EXTREMELY easily with a public fabricator built into the wall.

> on /vg a RND lab funnels research into a blueprint maker which prints off sheets of blueprints (summarily our own kind could be research design disks since its basically the same thing we have with autolathe imports)
> The fabricator eats up and reads these blueprints (we get the little bar and the design is uploaded, designs can be managed from the server room's RD only blacklisting console, which is already in control of RND designs so ask the RD if you suddenly upload the wrong thing to wipe it from the fabricator)

Literally for us it could be scientist just swipe cards on the static wall built in fabricator, load material sheets and then lock the materials with leaving with another swipe so that people dont raid it for uranium/metal/diamonds etc loaded in.

[Slignerd]

Sounds needlessly overcomplicated to me. I'm really not fond of the prospect of having another machine I need to insert materials to, either.

[FantasticFwoosh]

Sounds needlessly overcomplicated to me. I'm really not fond of the prospect of having another machine I need to insert materials to, either.

Just share it between the regular protolathe, either machine doesn't need to be equally stocked and miners will be encouraged if not for you but for the fabricator, the drone-lathe doesn't need the full stack of test lab supplies (like literally why, alt clicking and stack splitting 5 sheets is all that is required, else some drone hating xenobiologist is going to release gold slimes in test lab and get drones killed wasting all 50 sheets idiots drop into it).

Combined at round start on box there are 100 sheets of glass and 200 sheets of metal (roboticist/RND lab and testing lab) and atleast 4 sheets of plasma (with some in maint for a RD to hunt out or call a assistant to fetch) aswell. RND and the RD would hold the keys to the fabricators access material depository access (like the shield generators in xeno) so they would still need interaction with science to get inside if people bring minerals to you (also no annoying desk woes, so people are more likely to wait outside)

> RD either blacklists everything but mining designs and MMI's using the server room console to stop RND syncs being fed into the fabricator, for things like mining, batteries and convenience / or the scientists upload protolathe bits and bobs via disk.

> If the fabricator was compatible with both autolathe designs and protolathe (such as drones being printable from autolathes from roboticist compatibility) then it'd be a static outward of department facing all purpose service machine vendor as you would want rather than a repository.

> If you outright replace the desk with the fabricator with reinforced glass either side, you can protect the static machine from harm by using the shutter windows when its not in intended service (and summarily remove the power and break into science, crowbar up the shutters and restore power to use.)

You can just do your own science thing with it all set up for service use.