BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING

danno · Post by **danno** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:21 am #304891

Contextual crafting was so much better than this schlock
I don't care if it makes more sense code wise or whatever
The menu is so fucking stuuuuuuuuuuppid ohhhhh my gooooood
Contextual crafting is more interesting and intuitive

Super Aggro Crag · Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:21 am

danno wrote:Contextual crafting was so much better than this schlock
I don't care if it makes more sense code wise or whatever
The menu is so fucking stuuuuuuuuuuppid ohhhhh my gooooood
Contextual crafting is more interesting and intuitive

I agree with danno.

Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:23 am

this thread is a little bit late

Super Aggro Crag · Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:25 am

Was tablecrapping removed?

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:42 am #304898

PKPenguin321 wrote:this thread is a little bit late

Post by **MMMiracles** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:54 am #304903

Pretty sure there was already one attempt at going full crafting menu/contextual crafting, and it ended with contextual crafting surviving because MSO wanted it to.

danno · Post by **danno** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:04 am #304907

How is it late
the crafting menu is still in game
What am I missing
By "contextual crafting" I mean when you bashed two things together to make shit, what do you think I mean

danno · Post by **danno** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:05 am #304909

The name being from the fact that the crafting was contextual depending on the two things you smacked together

????

We literally have tablecrafting with a crafting menu

TheColdTurtle · Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:13 am

Keep table crafting and menu crafting?

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:27 am #304919

Why can't we have both?

Super Aggro Crag · Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:35 am

Yeah lets bloat da code

Tokiko2 · Post by **Tokiko2** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:25 am #305026

I feel like the crafting menu could be instantly improved 10x if you added a button to quickly jump to any list you want instead of being forced to move from page to page until you are in the category you want. This would be especially useful for cooks.

bman · Post by **bman** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:12 am #305041

slapcrafting is the name for it

slapcrafting makes you feel like you're actually doing something rather than perpetuating that ss13 is the ui clicker, horziontal sprite renderer we are all complaining that it has become.

also it's much more interesting.

Post by **Armhulen** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:41 pm #305220

>craft button

>30 seconds of loading

>make one item

ShadowDimentio · Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:03 pm

Slapcrafting is great, remove the stupid GUI and make everything slapcrafting.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:13 pm #305231

crafting menu is here to stay

you can have slapcrafting back when you rewrite slapcrafting to comply with code standards

danno · Post by **danno** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:42 pm #305263

slapcrafting is a better name, I'll concede that

WJohnston · Post by **WJohnston** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:04 pm #305316

I actually rather like the crafting menu, but it can DEFINITELY use improvements. I think if we made it closer to CDDA's crafting menu, it would be a lot more usable.

Here's what it has that we don't.

-Subcategories
-Separates the craftable objects, components required, and the item's stats/description into three separate windows.
-Tools and components required are flexible, multiple alternative options possible. (Any object with hammering ability, crowbar or makeshift crowbar).
-Lots of details on what the objects are, their stats (damage, weight class etc)
-Color coding
-Loads and loads of filters and search functions.
-Batches (1x 5x 10x kind of thing, used in only the protolathe, autolathe, and biogen right now.)

Now I recognize we'd need a pretty major amount of information added to each and every item in the game for this to give us sufficient information, but if clock cult has shown us anything, it's that it's absolutely possible to do that. Clock cult has a wonderful amount of information about every item, ability, and synergy in it, we can aspire to be a little more like it in that regard, if nothing else.

It is however completely ridiculous to think that contextual handcrafting is more intuitive than a system with loads of information on what can/can't be used to craft it.

Remie Richards · Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:05 pm

We actually do have Subcategories.

WJohnston · Post by **WJohnston** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:10 pm #305319

Ah right, that was added recently.

John_Oxford · Post by **John_Oxford** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:24 pm #305325

(I actually agree with wjohnson a CDDA-esque crafting menu would be much much better than any other crafting menu we could dream up and information playing a heavier role in crafting is great and i love it and fund it but;)

heh i bet your gonna ask to remove clowns next

learn to tradiation faggot

BeeSting12 · Post by **BeeSting12** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:33 am #305642

dont we have slap crafting for the spear?

danno · Post by **danno** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:50 am #305659

fixed the thread name

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:14 am #305665

Tablecrafting is fine except the menu its laid out in sucks horribly.

The crafting menu needs to list all catagories in a way that makes it instant to navigate it, instead of skipping through twenty categories to find the one you want.

Kel · Post by **Kel** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:43 pm #305805

danno is right

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:00 pm #306147

Steelpoint wrote:Tablecrafting is fine except the menu its laid out in sucks horribly.

The crafting menu needs to list all catagories in a way that makes it instant to navigate it, instead of skipping through twenty categories to find the one you want.

This. For starters all food things should be in one food category that has sub categories.

Remie Richards · Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:16 pm

Food was originally a single category, but it destroyed potato (ironic) computers so goof made it 20 pages instead of 1.

TheColdTurtle · Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:21 pm

Just have both, code bloat isn't an argument in 2017 where we have many useless uplink items and bloated gamemodes.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:45 pm #306188

My computer is not a potato and the unified food menu crashed me every time

Remie Richards · Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:19 pm

Wyzack wrote:My computer is not a potato and the unified food menu crashed me every time

P O T A T E

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:48 pm #306207

Wyzack wrote:My computer is not a potato and the unified food menu crashed me every time

*cough" Submenus.

TheColdTurtle · Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:57 pm

Wyzack wrote:My computer is not a potato and the unified food menu crashed me every time

Run CCleaner see if that helps

danno · Post by **danno** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:33 pm #306236

I remember when crafting didn't risk crashing your byond, and wasn't an arduous affair that made you blind to the fucking game because a stupid crafting window covered your entire screen

I beg
I fucking beg
someone please consider putting in the effort to make a version of slapcrafting that is up to code standards

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:45 am #306471

CosmicScientist wrote:
BeeSting12 wrote:dont we have slap crafting for the spear?
Spear, stunprod and flamer should all still have slapcrafting. I assume all other slapcrafting not to do with food from before tablecrafting also still exist unless someone grudgecoded any out.

You forgot single-tank bombs.

ShadowDimentio · Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:50 am

I fail to see why code is such an autistic fighting point over slapcrafting

Who cares if the code is bad, if it works it works, and as an added bonus your game doesn't crash and you don't have to wait a century every time you want to make a cake.

ohnopigeons · Post by **ohnopigeons** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:00 am #306479

ShadowDimentio wrote:Who cares if the code is bad

The people who have to maintain it and work with it in any updates

danno · Post by **danno** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:01 am #306482

who cares if the code is bad
- a "let's remove coderbus" lobbyist

cmon, son.

ShadowDimentio · Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:05 am

ohnopigeons wrote:
ShadowDimentio wrote:Who cares if the code is bad
The people who have to maintain it and work with it in any updates

Sucks for them. I don't care how wonderful the code for the crafting menu is, slapcrafting is better in every way.

Also I'm on your side Danno you dummy, calm down

bman · Post by **bman** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:25 am #306498

when cyberboss' construction datum is merged slapcrafting should be easier to implement in a modular way.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:20 am #306526

ShadowDimentio wrote:
ohnopigeons wrote:
ShadowDimentio wrote:Who cares if the code is bad
The people who have to maintain it and work with it in any updates
Sucks for them. I don't care how wonderful the code for the crafting menu is, slapcrafting is better in every way.

Also I'm on your side Danno you dummy, calm down

The code being good matters.

It's a question of getting cool new features today versus getting cool new features tomorrow. You weren't around before we moved to GitHub and before we upheld decent standards, but the code became such a convoluted mess that now, after years of refactoring, there are still significant components of code that only the most experienced coders can deal with because of all the crap added to the code in the name of "who cares as long as it works". Without code quality standards, the code becomes convoluted until only a group even smaller than those currently in charge (and for the most part a subset of said people in charge) is even capable of making changes.

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:39 pm #306617

ShadowDimentio wrote:Who cares if the code is bad

how can you not type something like this and think about what you're saying

like no offense but come on

Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:05 pm

CosmicScientist wrote:
BeeSting12 wrote:dont we have slap crafting for the spear?
Spear, stunprod and flamer should all still have slapcrafting. I assume all other slapcrafting not to do with food from before tablecrafting also still exist unless someone grudgecoded any out.

I can personally assure you that grudgecoding them out is impossible.