The ability to toggle on or off for breathing.

youngbuckliontiger · Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:07 am

It would be nice to have the ability to hold your breath. Hallway full of N20? Hold your breath and run through it.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:24 am #42284

The best functionality for this would be to make it use the internals button if you don't have a mask equipped. Another button just for breath-holding to counter n20 or plasma would be unnecessary.

youngbuckliontiger · Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:26 am

Good enough.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:30 am #42287

paprika wrote:The best functionality for this would be to make it use the internals button if you don't have a mask equipped. Another button just for breath-holding to counter n20 or plasma would be unnecessary.

I think I suggested this exact thing in the Minor Suggestions thread or whatever.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:51 am #42310

Violaceus wrote:inb4 gasping while holding breath

Technically you wouldn't be exhaling your natural amount of co2 whilst not intaking o2. Maybe you faint and resume normal breathing automatically at a certain concentration point?

Post by **MisterPerson** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:59 am #42357

This is dumb. Just use your internals

Raven776 · Post by **Raven776** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:18 am #42360

I'd hate to have to fish an empty internals set out of my backpack just to run down a hallway and then juggle them to get a full one out of a locker.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:51 pm #42418

MisterPerson wrote:This is dumb. Just use your internals

Except its not. It adds basic functionality that any spessman should be capable of without requiring a gas mask and internals. This is also important when you don't have time/inventory space to drop whatever you're carrying to fish out a mask and air tank just to run down a portion of a hallway.

Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:31 am

Ok, then make it automatic then. If you would fail a breathe, start an on-screen timer then.

Post by **MMMiracles** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:00 am #42567

Or just have the internals button toggle breath when not wearing a mask so stuff like CO2 isn't nullified.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:45 am #42594

MisterPerson wrote:This is dumb. Just use your internals

Doesn't it seem like it'd only make sense to hold your breath until you can fish out your internals if you saw the room being flooded with deadly toxic purple gas?

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:01 am #42599

I'd inhale that shit

Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:59 am

MMMiracles wrote:Or just have the internals button toggle breath when not wearing a mask so stuff like CO2 isn't nullified.

That sounds REALLY annoying to juggle.

Post by **MMMiracles** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:10 pm #42679

MisterPerson wrote:
MMMiracles wrote:Or just have the internals button toggle breath when not wearing a mask so stuff like CO2 isn't nullified.
That sounds REALLY annoying to juggle.

If there's no mask, you hold your breath.

If there's no valid tank for internals, you hold your breath.

If you enable valid internals while holding your breath, you start breathing and internals turn on.

Post by **MisterPerson** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:42 pm #42735

No I mean you're walking down the hallways and suddenly the "low oxygen" alert pops up, so you scramble to click a UI button. Really? Any game worth its salt would have something time-sensitive and important like that as a keyboard command, not a mouseclick.

And don't even suggest a keyboard shortcut for internals. Just make it automatic, jeez.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:54 pm #42736

MisterPerson wrote:No I mean you're walking down the hallways and suddenly the "low oxygen" alert pops up, so you scramble to click a UI button. Really? Any game worth its salt would have something time-sensitive and important like that as a keyboard command, not a mouseclick.

And don't even suggest a keyboard shortcut for internals. Just make it automatic, jeez.

You just described somebody walking down a hallway with their internals turned off and then realizing it and turning it on. This is an everyday experience.

ExplosiveCrate · Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:13 pm

You're supposed to hold your breath when you know there's harmful gases in the air up ahead. If it was automatic it would invalidate the entire point of releasing CO2.

You start holding your breath.
Assistant [145.9] says, "CO2 AT LIBRARY HELP"
Assistant says, "CO2 AT LIBRARY HELP"

Post by **MisterPerson** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:47 pm #42747

cedarbridge wrote:
MisterPerson wrote:No I mean you're walking down the hallways and suddenly the "low oxygen" alert pops up, so you scramble to click a UI button. Really? Any game worth its salt would have something time-sensitive and important like that as a keyboard command, not a mouseclick.

And don't even suggest a keyboard shortcut for internals. Just make it automatic, jeez.
You just described somebody walking down a hallway with their internals turned off and then realizing it and turning it on. This is an everyday experience.

An interesting point, actually. The internals setting button is also stupid. If we had breathe holding we could remove the internals box everyone spawns with in favor of just holding your breathe.

I'd still be in favor of making it automatic, mind you, but at least in this scenario it's not a totally pointless feature even manually activated, so it wouldn't be retarded to be manual. Also there'd need to be an action button to activate internals so setting that shit up isn't annoying. I played briefly before knowing about the internals button, manually using them was awful.

ExplosiveCrate wrote:You're supposed to hold your breath when you know there's harmful gases in the air up ahead. If it was automatic it would invalidate the entire point of releasing CO2.

You start holding your breath.
Assistant [145.9] says, "CO2 AT LIBRARY HELP"
Assistant says, "CO2 AT LIBRARY HELP"

Well clearly you shouldn't be able to talk with holding your breathe. That's just obvious.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:07 pm #42756

MisterPerson wrote:If we had breathe holding we could remove the internals box everyone spawns with in favor of just holding your breathe.

Then you'd have to make actual internals more common around the station for hull breach/major gas flooding/etc than they currently are because that's what internals are actually for. Breath-holding is an intermediary stage between breathing deep that plasma and shuffling internals.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:22 pm #42776

paprika wrote:I'd inhale that shit

420 huff plasma erry day

Kavaloosh · Post by **Kavaloosh** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:08 pm #42809

no thanks

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:40 am #42868

As much as I like the idea, I feel this is adding unneeded amount of complexity to a system that is, for the most part, relatively simple. While I do agree that the internals system is not well shown to new players, once you've figured it out it becomes very easy.

QuartzCrystal · Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:20 pm

I like the idea but there are other issues, such as how long can one hold their breath before they start breathing again? Is it long enough to potentially do a quick space walk?

ExplosiveCrate · Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:03 pm

I'd imagine that holding your breath immediately puts you in the no oxygen state, automatically turning off if you lose consciousness. Holding your breath in a depressurized area should cause brute damage.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:12 pm #42918

ExplosiveCrate wrote:I'd imagine that holding your breath immediately puts you in the no oxygen state, automatically turning off if you lose consciousness. Holding your breath in a depressurized area should cause brute damage.

That's actually pretty ok.

Post by **MMMiracles** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:21 pm #42922

Would make more sense if you got like 5-10 seconds of air before getting the 02 warning, since I'd imagine most people try to inhale before holding their breath.

Lo6a4evskiy · Post by **Lo6a4evskiy** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:38 pm #42923

MMMiracles wrote:Would make more sense if you got like 5-10 seconds of air before getting the 02 warning, since I'd imagine most people try to inhale before holding their breath.

No. Oxyloss basically measures how long you have until you lose consciousness from lack of oxygen. It would be perfectly fine to just tick oxyloss until you have X hp left and start craving for air. X should of course be positive, since it's impossible to die by just holding your breath.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:46 pm #42952

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:
MMMiracles wrote:Would make more sense if you got like 5-10 seconds of air before getting the 02 warning, since I'd imagine most people try to inhale before holding their breath.
No. Oxyloss basically measures how long you have until you lose consciousness from lack of oxygen. It would be perfectly fine to just tick oxyloss until you have X hp left and start craving for air. X should of course be positive, since it's impossible to die by just holding your breath.

Isn't that one of the suicide messages?

Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:05 pm

cedarbridge wrote:
Lo6a4evskiy wrote:
MMMiracles wrote:Would make more sense if you got like 5-10 seconds of air before getting the 02 warning, since I'd imagine most people try to inhale before holding their breath.
No. Oxyloss basically measures how long you have until you lose consciousness from lack of oxygen. It would be perfectly fine to just tick oxyloss until you have X hp left and start craving for air. X should of course be positive, since it's impossible to die by just holding your breath.
Isn't that one of the suicide messages?

That message should probably be changed.

Lo6a4evskiy · Post by **Lo6a4evskiy** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:52 am #43057

cedarbridge wrote:Isn't that one of the suicide messages?

Well jamming thumbs into your eyes wouldn't necessarily kill you either.

I mean, you could go as far as lose consciousness when holding your breath, but then your body wouldn't be controlled by a retard anymore and would just continue breathing normally.

dezzmont · Post by **dezzmont** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:51 am #43130

Making it so that you hold your breath when you have invalid internals automatically would make knock out gas not work and would remove some theoretical functionality of spiked gas mixes, which would rarely come up but is still a loss of functionality, especially as this could be made its own command.

It definitely should be something a player decides to do deliberately, the game should never decide when you hold your breath for you as it will always give you new information if it does.

Incomptinence · Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:09 pm

Holding your breath in a vacuum? Space sucks harder son. Seems like just a niche thing soft protection against air pollutants. For example n2o would be even more of a joke than it is in internals town already.

deathhoof · Post by **deathhoof** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:33 pm #43138

Well as traitor engineer I like to crank up power output and electricute doors with a signaller, then I go "OH GOD SYNDICATE BOMB RUN!!" So that people kill themselves on my doors. Now if holding breath is enabled I can dress up as atmos tech and get a pair of medhuds and around low health people go "OH GOD NO2 LEAK HOLD YOUR BREATH!!"

Rolan7 · Post by **Rolan7** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:29 pm #43541

This would work great, and allow a nerf to round-start internals. As someone already pointed out.

Post by **MMMiracles** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:40 pm #43543

Rolan7 wrote:This would work great, and allow a nerf to round-start internals. As someone already pointed out.

I like the idea of atmos getting a stockhold of emergency tanks they can tap off and distribute at the window/around the station when shit goes down. Gives them some social interaction past the rare occurrence of someone asking to fill their tank or a scientist going for chilled 02.

iyaerP · Post by **iyaerP** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:18 am #43643

Scientists have had their own freezer for a while now.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:58 am #43653

What's the difference between running out of air because there's nothing present, and holding your breath while you run through? Holding your breath is just choosing to starve yourself for oxygen, while having no breathable gasses in the area just means you don't have an option.

This is just asking for a blanket nerf of harmful gasses. Internals are plentiful. You start with a set that lasts a LONG time. If you can't be assed to use them or you use them up you should pay the price.

MMMiracles wrote:
Rolan7 wrote:This would work great, and allow a nerf to round-start internals. As someone already pointed out.
I like the idea of atmos getting a stockhold of emergency tanks they can tap off and distribute at the window/around the station when shit goes down. Gives them some social interaction past the rare occurrence of someone asking to fill their tank or a scientist going for chilled 02.

They already have this. There're internals boxes in the gas storage foyer. Christ guys.

tl;dr holy shit someone finally actually recommended "manual breathing" as a serious change. let's go whole hog and add manual blinking so you can close your eyes when someone tries to flash/flashbang/laser-point you. this is horrible

Kavaloosh · Post by **Kavaloosh** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:19 am #43686

An0n3 wrote:What's the difference between running out of air because there's nothing present, and holding your breath while you run through? Holding your breath is just choosing to starve yourself for oxygen, while having no breathable gasses in the area just means you don't have an option.

This is just asking for a blanket nerf of harmful gasses. Internals are plentiful. You start with a set that lasts a LONG time. If you can't be assed to use them or you use them up you should pay the price.

MMMiracles wrote:
Rolan7 wrote:This would work great, and allow a nerf to round-start internals. As someone already pointed out.
I like the idea of atmos getting a stockhold of emergency tanks they can tap off and distribute at the window/around the station when shit goes down. Gives them some social interaction past the rare occurrence of someone asking to fill their tank or a scientist going for chilled 02.
They already have this. There're internals boxes in the gas storage foyer. Christ guys.

tl;dr holy shit someone finally actually recommended "manual breathing" as a serious change. let's go whole hog and add manual blinking so you can close your eyes when someone tries to flash/flashbang/laser-point you. this is horrible

this guy gets it