gang mode victory condition -> station hack

[CPTANT]

One thing that bothers me about the gang gamemode is that the victory condition of tagging 50/60% of the station feels completely artificial.

In certain rounds the gangs just never use violence and just spray graffiti everywhere. It causes the rounds to end abruptly, without any feeling of an endgame a lot of the other modes have. I have no idea why the command staff would go "Oh no they sprayed graffiti everywhere, better give up the station guys". A number of rounds for the crew just go "nothing happens for the entire round but some lunatics spraying paint, now somehow we...........lost?". On the other hand heavily cracking down on people for using graffiti also feels artificial.

What I propose is something that will create an endgame for the gamemode and actually causes more confrontation at the end of the round.

What I propose

Instead of having the gang tag 50/60% of the station to automatically win, the gang leaders at that point get the option to order a "station hack" console from their uplink. This spawns a console that can be activated to start a station hacking process. This sets of a station wide alarm that the station is being hacked. If the console is operational for x amount of time the gang takes over the station and wins.

The other gang will be able to capture the console with their uplinks to transfer it to their side.
The goal of the rest of the crew is to prevent the takeover.

Pinpointers and gang uplinks would be able to locate the console.


Goals for this idea:
- It stops gang war from devolving into an event less sprayfest
- It adds an endgame to the gamemode
- It promotes the gangs having a strong presence in an area they choose
- It involves the crew more in the gamemode

It might feel somewhat familiar to the AI takeover, but I feel that with how the rest of the gang rounds play out and the nature of the 3 way "gang, gang, crew" battle this would be a worthwhile addition to the gamemode.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

"Gang's malf blow the assistants"

[Gun Hog]

This is a good concept. There is no sense of urgency with gang, except when they are violent, yet do not really need to be. Someone tagged Science from the hallway, and it did not really bother me until one of the gangs rushed in and released the plasma tanks, and took bombs to blow up the brig. Entering a gang's "territory" does nothing to anyone. No buff for the owning gang, or debuffs for crew/hostile gangsters.

To ignore a gang takeover should feel akin to ignoring a blob - something awful will happen if you do not stop it. There should be buffs/debuffs to being in a gang territory, and yes, something horrible should happen if a gang wins.

[Ikarrus]

I like it

But we will have to wait until june for the feature freeze to end.

[Falamazeer]

Feature freeze is a good thing, there are errors that have been around since spacemen could only face south.
Stop injecting your dislike of the freeze into a good idea thread.

That being said, At what point do we force gang initiation rights where the prospective member has to hide under the janicart and shoot the janitor when he comes by?

[Ikarrus]

I didn't say I dislike the freeze.

I said I liked the idea but would not be able to do it until after the freeze.

It is an acknowledgement and a statement of fact.

[CPTANT]

Ohw and ordering the hacking console should come with a crate containing some Tommy guns.

Cause Tommy guns are sadly lacking from the gangwar mode.

[Ikarrus]

How did I forget about tommy guns?

Man, I should get on that too.

After the freeze.

[Scones]

How did I forget about tommy guns?

You forgot about them because way an overpowered as fuck admin spawn gun

Anyways I actually like this idea. Gang uniforms next?

[Ikarrus]

Yes. I'll have a long list of to dos to eat through after the freeze lifts.

[Ikarrus]

I'm giving people a timeline of when to expect these things down the road. If I tell people I'm going to be working on something I'm going to tell them when to expect it and why I'm going to be taking so long so it doesn't sound like I'm ignoring them.

I've always been a huge supporter of code freezes. You're being overly defensive here about something you're not even really involved in.

[Falamazeer]

Fair nuff.
Have you considered changing the name of the modified spray can, to just spray can and allowing the clowns vending machine to pass those out, or maybe the art room gets some (With the crayons wire and handlabeler) so that way you add to stealth elements to the round type, wherein a spray can doesn't make you auto-valid by sec?

Kinda like how cultists just have paper, and revs have flashes.

[Ikarrus]

I'll probably make it look just like regular spraycans.

[Falamazeer]

are there already normal spray cans? I've never seen them outside of gang mode that I recall.

[Ikarrus]

Autolathes can print them at little to no cost. I think the art room starts with one, too.

I'd like to keep them as a controlled item, otherwise it places far too much importance on cargo.

[Falamazeer]

Ah, well that explains it, Cargo and it's carco never leaves the front door of cargonia

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Every round as a cargonian I fill cargo with properly colored spraycan art.

[Falamazeer]

I meant more that people OUTSIDE cargonia do not see these spray cans because the only way to get them is the lathe.
And getting things from cargo is a rare event.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

*cough cough*meatstationhasapublicautolathe*cough*

[Falamazeer]

The fuck is meatstation? basil?
Who gives a shit besides twenty or so elitists?

[DemonFiren]

>metastation
>elitist

It's only because you Box casuals have no idea of good mapping.

[lumipharon]

Fuck off with the elitist bullshit.
Seriously, people from both servers put out this best server/shit server crap that does nothing but make you look like a prick.

They have different maps and different pops, that's it.


As for the OP, while I do think the gamemode is a bit unfinished, including win conditions, but I'd probably take a look at how we want the game mode to actually play first, in terms of the tone, and purpose of the different factions - at the moment it's a but of a rev abortion, but it has potential.

[Celdur]

I like the idea of a endgame, but I think there could be something better than a simple countdown.

Maybe something like having to gather up tribute from all the places you tagged? Certain high value objects that traitors usually go for.
They could either do the whole extortion shtick, or just do a straight up raid of the areas they need items from.
Then they'd have to gather all the items up in an area of their choosing, and slam it in a vault or device of some kind.
Then rival gangs could sabotage it by counter-stealing their objectives. Maybe even turn things around somehow.

I dunno, that's just one example I came up with. I'm sure there could be a lot of other ideas other than a timer.
Anything is better than just having the round end suddenly though.

[Amelius]

I like the idea of a endgame, but I think there could be something better than a simple countdown.

Maybe something like having to gather up tribute from all the places you tagged? Certain high value objects that traitors usually go for.
They could either do the whole extortion shtick, or just do a straight up raid of the areas they need items from.
Then they'd have to gather all the items up in an area of their choosing, and slam it in a vault or device of some kind.
Then rival gangs could sabotage it by counter-stealing their objectives. Maybe even turn things around somehow.

I dunno, that's just one example I came up with. I'm sure there could be a lot of other ideas other than a timer.
Anything is better than just having the round end suddenly though.

Why not just skip this entirely and make gang mode entirely 'Capture the Ian'. Get him in your gang's territory for ten minutes and you win! Ian would be immortal in this mode, for obvious reasons. The station would have to get Ian into neutral/station territory.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

*laser Ian roundstart*

Gang confirmed guys Ian's immortal.

*incinerate him/space him*

[DemonFiren]

Whoever would do that to Ian for the sake of green tax probably deserves a perma.