Plumbers

[FantasticFwoosh]

Paraphrased from other places i've mentioned it especially in Xhuis's aquastation thread which contains the basis of water & piping, this is pretty much a collusion of those spontaneous ideas

Plumber is a service personnel breakoff of the janitor and housed in the same room, the plumber's job is to maintain the non vital but still important water piping system around the station and is usually a low importance job (second hand atmos 101)

- The plumber appreciates the chef's pasta meals and gains a small amount of healing.
- The plumber can crawl in all pipes that are large enough to fit him (manually enters disposal pipes without nessecary flushing or when the disposals is unsecured.)
- Also acts as a involuntary fireman for redirecting water where its needed for fighting plasma fires or fueling engineering projects.

- A dwarf plumber (made smaller to fit criteria to enter small pipes rather than big ones) can flush themselves & emerge directly out of a toilet or enter a vent or a scrubber after 'unsecuring' the vent (not deconstructing) with a lever to get past the outward mesh. Both will require internals to survive, and if the pressure is wrong can die & block up the pipe awaiting their replacement plumber to collect them. A dwarf plumber can in theory enter more places than a atmos crawler can, not least perma, so sneak in DNA injectors in bread to the prisoners.

The usual focus of a antagonistic plumber is to either emag the water producing machine that feeds the stations H20 network so that it produces sickness & vomit inducing sewage instead of water (hurts plants, causes slow & minor toxicity damage) or outright flood the station or cause tactical water bursts.

- The plumber can spread blood bourne sicknesses into the water supply by washing bloodied clothes in the non-waste disposal channel. Or dump bleeding bodies into the water vat to pollute the the water.

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Misc - Throwing cherry bombs/explosives down toilets creates a massive pressure shockwave that can kill plumbers working on pipes and will fuck up the toilet.

[cedarbridge]

Paraphrased from other places i've mentioned it especially in Xhuis's aquastation thread which contains the basis of water & piping, this is pretty much a collusion of those spontaneous ideas

Plumber is a service personnel breakoff of the janitor and housed in the same room, the plumber's job is to maintain the non vital but still important water piping system around the station and is usually a low importance job (second hand atmos 101)

- The plumber appreciates the chef's pasta meals and gains a small amount of healing.
- The plumber can crawl in all pipes that are large enough to fit him (manually enters disposal pipes without nessecary flushing or when the disposals is unsecured.)
- Also acts as a involuntary fireman for redirecting water where its needed for fighting plasma fires or fueling engineering projects.

- A dwarf plumber (made smaller to fit criteria to enter small pipes rather than big ones) can flush themselves & emerge directly out of a toilet or enter a vent or a scrubber after 'unsecuring' the vent (not deconstructing) with a lever to get past the outward mesh. Both will require internals to survive, and if the pressure is wrong can die & block up the pipe awaiting their replacement plumber to collect them. A dwarf plumber can in theory enter more places than a atmos crawler can, not least perma, so sneak in DNA injectors in bread to the prisoners.

The usual focus of a antagonistic plumber is to either emag the water producing machine that feeds the stations H20 network so that it produces sickness & vomit inducing sewage instead of water (hurts plants, causes slow & minor toxicity damage) or outright flood the station or cause tactical water bursts.

- The plumber can spread blood bourne sicknesses into the water supply by washing bloodied clothes in the non-waste disposal channel. Or dump bleeding bodies into the water vat to pollute the the water.

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Misc - Throwing cherry bombs/explosives down toilets creates a massive pressure shockwave that can kill plumbers working on pipes and will fuck up the toilet.

Plumbing is a system we have kicked around several times already and its an interesting concept. This, however, is not.

[confused rock]

Paraphrased from other places i've mentioned it especially in Xhuis's aquastation thread which contains the basis of water & piping, this is pretty much a collusion of those spontaneous ideas

Plumber is a service personnel breakoff of the janitor and housed in the same room, the plumber's job is to maintain the non vital but still important water piping system around the station and is usually a low importance job (second hand atmos 101)

- The plumber appreciates the chef's pasta meals and gains a small amount of healing.
- The plumber can crawl in all pipes that are large enough to fit him (manually enters disposal pipes without nessecary flushing or when the disposals is unsecured.)
- Also acts as a involuntary fireman for redirecting water where its needed for fighting plasma fires or fueling engineering projects.

- A dwarf plumber (made smaller to fit criteria to enter small pipes rather than big ones) can flush themselves & emerge directly out of a toilet or enter a vent or a scrubber after 'unsecuring' the vent (not deconstructing) with a lever to get past the outward mesh. Both will require internals to survive, and if the pressure is wrong can die & block up the pipe awaiting their replacement plumber to collect them. A dwarf plumber can in theory enter more places than a atmos crawler can, not least perma, so sneak in DNA injectors in bread to the prisoners.

The usual focus of a antagonistic plumber is to either emag the water producing machine that feeds the stations H20 network so that it produces sickness & vomit inducing sewage instead of water (hurts plants, causes slow & minor toxicity damage) or outright flood the station or cause tactical water bursts.

- The plumber can spread blood bourne sicknesses into the water supply by washing bloodied clothes in the non-waste disposal channel. Or dump bleeding bodies into the water vat to pollute the the water.

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Misc - Throwing cherry bombs/explosives down toilets creates a massive pressure shockwave that can kill plumbers working on pipes and will fuck up the toilet.

Plumbing is a system we have kicked around several times already and its an interesting concept. This, however, is not.

Why did you quote it?

[calzilla1]

The hut beckons

[Super Aggro Crag]

Its a football
I chiseled it!

[Jacough]

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32

[PKPenguin321]

Its a football
I chiseled it!

It's a stone, super aggro crag. You didn't invent it

[FantasticFwoosh]

Come on, you mean you don't love the idea of the ability to crawl through pipes with internals on, kneehigh in literal sewage (everything poured down the sink and generic 'dirty water') and give off stinklines all the time without a shower?

Or shivving someone on the toilet / Chasing Pizza monsters in the water supply ? Its actually a relatively cool way of stopping atmos from ruining a round by having another non-departmental pipe maintainer even if in authority its a case of ( Plumbers < Atmos ) that can control the pipes and therefore learn the general layout without actually being responsible for it



- What are your actual balance concerns or objections to this member of staff that will be needed else if a properly defined water piping subsystem (pending) is added, atmos is going to be overloaded with work (burst pipes all over the place, system buckling) or are you REALLY going to put assistants in charge of such a vital thing?

Fun fact - I actually have original ninja turtle VCR tapes of some of those classic episodes, cool shit man i should rewatch them sometime.

[FantasticFwoosh]

Plumbing has its own system up in Xhuis's PR. I quote from the first paragraphs or so

Xhuis
add: Sinks, toilets, showers, and other water-reliant objects now draw from a plumbing tank that generates reagents for the entire station. These reagents can be changed by anyone who can access the tank.


WIP. I put this out because I didn't want to finish the entire feature only to have it be closed, and it's actually somewhat functional as of now.

Currently the sprite is a placeholder. If you feel like making a cool sprite I'd love to go with it.

Adds a new machine, the master plumbing tank. I haven't decided which job will get this yet, but I'm leaning towards engineering or atmos. I don't want to give it to janitors, because that is a job that should, in my opinion, stay shallow and not require much work.

Plumbers and atmos share access to the water tank and plumbing informational mainframe, sound fair? Because atmos is a busy (and if the two workplaces are far apart you're going to have water atmos and air atmos and that's going to be difficult to micromanage) job especially when they ask for engineering access

- Already my idea of emagging the water machine to generate sickness inducing sewage or contaminating the water is within the feasability of reality, even if you reject the notions of plumbers crawling in pipes/being healed by pasta because you hate fun or anything new.

- Engineering has enough work to do with the the supermatter & maintenance, while atmos will be busy so my idea could well be supported

[Qbopper]

You shouldn't be able to just smack the tank with an emag and poison the water, that's way too low effort

[FantasticFwoosh]

You shouldn't be able to just smack the tank with an emag and poison the water, that's way too low effort

About as low effort as xhuis's current design of synthesising water or any chemical you put into it by reading the PR document. But thank you for holding valid criticism, i appreciate it.

> You'd probably also have to disable the drain function too so it doesn't autodrain from the machine.

[kevinz000]

both are low effort as fuck and the dwarf stuff is bad.
wait no atleast xhuiss' doesn't involve this stuff, this is worse!

[FantasticFwoosh]

both are low effort as fuck and the dwarf stuff is bad.
wait no atleast xhuiss' doesn't involve this stuff, this is worse!

Im not holding you at gunpoint to keep the dwarfism, the pipe crawling can be thrown out of the window. I would have just thought originally that with genetics help that it might have been intuitive as well as novel to have toilet scuba divers.

Fair enough, but finding a source of fresh water (or gas to mine mmmmm mekhi?) in space is hard without synthesising it.

[kevinz000]

Well better get a water miner IDGAF

[Xhuis]

If it's, I quote "low effort as fuck", I'd be happy to hear your ideas.

[Lumbermancer]

There's already a janitor.

[FantasticFwoosh]

Well better get a water miner IDGAF

It might be rich from a meme-edgelord like me but lately mekhi you've been talking like a child to all topical debates and character assassinating people while contributing nothing to yourself. If you don't have anything to actually say that isn't a (funny) joke or constructive comment then i don't see why you are even here commenting.

There's already a janitor.

Yes but janitors are known to neglect duties of cleaning dirt that is right infront of them or picking up litter/replacing lights. It doesn't actually add onto the job depth, as much as make having a absent janitor not working ANNOYING BY TENFOLD. (hence why having another seperate job is useful)

If it's, I quote "low effort as fuck", I'd be happy to hear your ideas.

Well said.

[BeeSting12]

If you're gonna have a plumbing system it should probably have pipes too. if it doesn't it's incomplete tbh

[TrustyGun]

You could just go full simcity and have a single plumbing tank only effect a small area around them (with a small amount of pipes). Then you could stick them in maintenance around departaments, which makes it harder to poison the entire station with 1u of acid

[Xhuis]

My qualms with pipes is the amount of work it would take for both mappers and players. Imagine having to update every map with an entirely new pipe net. That's what pipes would cause, and even if I make it eventually, it's most certainly not happening right now. I could certainly add smaller tanks for departments, though, and it's something I've considered.

[kevinz000]

My qualms with pipes is the amount of work it would take for both mappers and players. Imagine having to update every map with an entirely new pipe net. That's what pipes would cause, and even if I make it eventually, it's most certainly not happening right now. I could certainly add smaller tanks for departments, though, and it's something I've considered.

Please, please do.
And also what about liquid puddles and floods will that be a thing (I do understand it'll be hell to make both of that due to balance issues.)

[Qbopper]

If it's, I quote "low effort as fuck", I'd be happy to hear your ideas.

Well said.

his post was a response to you posting

About as low effort as xhuis's current design of synthesising water or any chemical you put into it by reading the PR document..

[FantasticFwoosh]

Duhoy, my bad i was still processing my caffiene at the time. Still well said, people need to make a stand eventually.

I've already said my piece on keeping the chemical function behind a safety lock (maybe that was on the PR thread i can't remember), it can exist in its current form since functionally a portable chem fabricator can fufill the same function on a smaller scale for infinite water. At a strech other than 'its magic fabricating shit' id say that the machine passively collects space particles such as hydrogen with a invisible bluespace atomic net from ice asteroids passing through the sector to power its liquid collection.

- Maybe its innate problem should be how many chemicals it can process at once, emagging a base level water generator might only release the safety lock (otherwise done with wire fiddling) and summary further changes alter the base chemical that is being dispersed.

- Upgrading the machine should allow you to dilute the water with additional chemicals (therefore achieving kors wet dream of keeping the station stupid with flouride/mercury), by splitting it up into fifths at bluespace parts level, and then offer control of how much water/chemical you want it to be (third water and two thirds neurotoxin might be enough to keep it potent but also disguised as water the same way bartender drinks can be concealed.)

That's my solution anyway, its going to suck up power from somewhere anyway, if i had things my way id take portable chemical fabricators off the energy grid and make them battery operated so they really are portable and not a drain.