A Baystyle Map.

[Durkel]

If you're unaware bay recently switched maps to a starship type map with multiple z-levels.

https://wiki.baystation12.net/SEV_Torch

It's a interesting style that they've choose to gone in and I'm curious to see if there would be any support in potentially moving towards something like it as well?

We could revamp some of our current mechanics to even fit a ship style game play. Having the round only end after X amounts of planets have been visited ,or ship reaches a certain integrity failure point. Even greentext seekers could be sated by having them just take a pod off to end their round or something.

How do you guys feel about this type of direction?

[D&B]

You'll have to rework entire gamemodes around being based on the ship too.

If that's done before the ship migration that'll be grand.

[Tokiko2]

Multi z level maps are great. Go for it if you think you can make players accept that.

[onleavedontatme]

I've wanted to do this for a while and people always seem excited when I mention FTL13 but not excited enough to actually help code or map it.

[lumipharon]

I can do 'high quality mapping', but how does a multi z-level map function in term of power/disposals/etc?

[Tokiko2]

I can do 'high quality mapping', but how does a multi z-level map function in term of power/disposals/etc?

You'll have to write new things to handle those.

[Alipheese]

Bug Remie for the multi z level code. He done did all the work already.

[Armhulen]

(she)

[Durkel]

The mapping isn't as much as a issue as the code problems.

We'd have to tackle

Power net z-levels.
Atmos z-levels.
Explosion z-levels.
Better transitions between zlevels..
And finally getting the ship to "move".

That's not even including the problems we'd have to address such as a arrival shuttle not making much sense, mining not making sense in it's current form, most of our gamemodes being trash for this and so on.

[lumipharon]

Lifts as primary method of z-level transport will be great.
Bonus points for lift music.
Double bonus points for crowbarring open the lift shaft and throwing people down it.
Triple bonus points for being able to emag/sabotage lift breaks to send the entire lift crashing down the shaft.

[Anonmare]

I've wanted to do this for a while and people always seem excited when I mention FTL13 but not excited enough to actually help code or map it.

Do you mean, code FTL13 or port it? Cause FTL13 is already a thing, I've mentioned it before a few times.

[Tokiko2]

A great way to start with the multi-z level things would be rewriting the maploader so people can actually load a multi-z test map easily.

[ShadowDimentio]

You'll have to rework entire gamemodes around being based on the ship too.

If that's done before the ship migration that'll be grand.

Not really. We can just have it as a map option and have everything else be as normal. If the antags take over (except blob, they lack the ability to do this) they can either keep playing with the ship (ghosts will be spawned in as event characters like boarders or whatever) or launch the escape pods and call it a round.

[ShadowDimentio]

The mapping isn't as much as a issue as the code problems.

We'd have to tackle

Power net z-levels.
Atmos z-levels.
Explosion z-levels.
Better transitions between zlevels..
And finally getting the ship to "move".

That's not even including the problems we'd have to address such as a arrival shuttle not making much sense, mining not making sense in it's current form, most of our gamemodes being trash for this and so on.

Mining is now salvage op and get to go mine/salvage nearby debris in space. Modes stay the same with end-of-round triggers removed outside of blob which ends as normal. Arrivals is replaced with cryo storage.

[Remie Richards]

No maploader modifications are required, I have my multiz stuff I just need to finish it (pipes/powernets is about all that's left)

[BeeSting12]

id be willing to try my hand at mapping if remie teaches me how to use the multiz stuff she did

[Remie Richards]

It's ridiculously simple (kind of the point)
There's a turf that essentially acts as a "hole" to the z below (they can be mapped in, for example a warden office overlooking a brig, but things like explosions will create them in specific situations like multiz stations) and anything that is "below" that turf gets a shadow automatically added to the turf above, so all the visuals are automatic.

As for pipes and wires, they're the exact same just that they go up/down.

Stairs and ladders should be obvious how they work.

It shouldn't change mapping difficulty at all, but allows for more creativity.

[BeeSting12]

Okay, sweet. Is this already in the codebase or will I have to wait a bit? I'm thinking about sort of mimicking bay's shuttle design with some changes to account for the gameplay here. (probably won't have all those shuttles in the docking bay, just a ferry and mining transport with a port for white ship) in fact it would be interesting to have the entire ship work as the emergency shuttle with like five minutes of fueling up, then five minutes of preparing to launch. five minutes of actual flight and then docks at centcomm with pods launching three minutes into the flight.

edit: could also use kor's lifts with the stairs working as sort of a backup thing in emergencies and the ladders found in maintenance areas.

[BeeSting12]

hate to double post but how would going EVA work with multiz? would you stay on the zlevel you exitted the ship on or something? doesnt sound very realistic since you would be able to go up and down IRL, maybe have ladders on the outside or something

[Remie Richards]

Ready the "spooky russian codebase" thread in General, I explained a lot about my version of Multiz (it's in that thread because the spooky russian codebase has the ancient shit multiz code and someone was like "pls port" so I made a version that's actually not shit)

[Remie Richards]

I'm going to murder coiax.

He renamed the /Cleanable folder to /cleanable and it's fucked up my branch royally.
You will pay for your crimes coiax.

Edit: seems good now, somebody bring me coiax's head.

[Tokiko2]

I'm glad you're working on this again Remie. Are those hole turfs expensive on the processing? I have somewhere between 10.000-100.000 hole turfs on my map, will that work?

[Remie Richards]

They have no running cost (well, no more than a regular turf)
I must stress this is nothing like the old-style Multiz tiles.

For 1 my version supports 2 levels of "depth" (eg: you can see 2 levels down, if mapped right, it just gets really hard to see) and 2 the old version used 3 large processing lists, and was horrific, my version doesn't do any processing at all, it's reactive (eg: something happens -> do something, instead of what the old one did: "DID SOMETHING HAPPEN?" "DID SOMETHING HAPPEN?" "DID SOMETHING HAPPEN?" for infinity)

Making it reactive requires a bit more work (eg: fixing up the update_icons() chain so that it all correctly works, which is something that still needs work) so It's understandable why the old method was so jank and bad.

tl;dr no more costly that any other turf.

[Aloraydrel]

I've wanted to do this for a while and people always seem excited when I mention FTL13 but not excited enough to actually help code or map it.

"""Idea""" Guys

[darkpaladin109]

That's not even including the problems we'd have to address such as a arrival shuttle not making much sense

Just change the shuttle to a bunch of cryopods.

[Qbopper]

I've wanted to do this for a while and people always seem excited when I mention FTL13 but not excited enough to actually help code or map it.

"""Idea""" Guys

you mean half of /tg/ the majority of every human being on earth