Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
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Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
Right now Ripley is basically useless - a specialized mining mech is worse than a roundstart miner at all aspects. It's less mobile, it doesn't have a ranged option, it needs charging, repairing a mech is more difficult than healing yourself, and most importantly, you have to bug science to make it.
It does not feel right to me. My first memories of SS13 are playing as a roboticist and making Ripleys, and then playing as a miner and piloting them. Sure, it wasn't that exciting on baycode, since the asteroid didn't have any monsters, but piloting a mech still felt like the best thing in the world. Ripley will always have a special place in my heart. I think we need to make some changes to make Ripley great again.
I think what it needs most is a kinetic accelerator. It would make fighting lavaland monsters less of a pain in the ass.
It does not feel right to me. My first memories of SS13 are playing as a roboticist and making Ripleys, and then playing as a miner and piloting them. Sure, it wasn't that exciting on baycode, since the asteroid didn't have any monsters, but piloting a mech still felt like the best thing in the world. Ripley will always have a special place in my heart. I think we need to make some changes to make Ripley great again.
I think what it needs most is a kinetic accelerator. It would make fighting lavaland monsters less of a pain in the ass.
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Re: Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
There already is a ka addon I think
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Re: Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
I was half right.
No ka addin, but a giant plasma cutter addon
Eng 3 mats 3 plas 4
No ka addin, but a giant plasma cutter addon
Eng 3 mats 3 plas 4
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Re: Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
>make it fast as fuck on lavaland
>give it fast 3x1 drill that auto pickups ore
>normal variant made immune to ash storms
>firefighter variant made immune to lava as well
>not intended for mining
>give it fast 3x1 drill that auto pickups ore
>normal variant made immune to ash storms
>firefighter variant made immune to lava as well
>not intended for mining
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Yeah, it has all that because it is meant to mine.
Giving it a module exclusively to fight shit makes it combat oriented. This not even accounting for how broken it would be on station.
Giving it a module exclusively to fight shit makes it combat oriented. This not even accounting for how broken it would be on station.
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No it doesn't because the ripley has the lowest health and deflect chance of all the mechs*D&B wrote:Yeah, it has all that because it is meant to mine.
Giving it a module exclusively to fight shit makes it combat oriented. This not even accounting for how broken it would be on station.
*most likely i spent way too long searching for the ripley ka and i will not be codediving again
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Re: Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
When you move as fast as a miner in lavaland, reflect chance doesn't matter. Giving them ka would just make them a cheap mass produce extra health bar.
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Re: Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
Responses in order:InsaneHyena wrote:It's less mobile, it doesn't have a ranged option, it needs charging, repairing a mech is more difficult than healing yourself, and most importantly, you have to bug science to make it.
1. Strafing mode + Faster in low pressure. 2. Plasma cutter. 3. Well, it IS a mech; Make sure you have at least a super-cap installed. 4. A fair point, but repair droids do help. 5.You have access to their channel, and you bring them minerals; Ask for a mech and tell them to put a plasma cutter on it; The Robo/RD will do it if he has some sense.
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Get yourself a plasma cutter and learn how to handle Strafing mode properly, and you will DESTROY the roid. You have several advantages: Immune to tentacle rape (Goliath), Watcher beams, Ash Storms, Lava (Firefighter only), and Ash Drake 4-way fire breath.
Given that you did not know that Ripley had access to a plasma cutter, I strongly urge you to try it out one round. Clear out an area and you can take down an Ash Drake in one (I tested this on a local server, but I do not ever seem to get the chance live).
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Re: Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
>you finally get out there with your cool ass ripley
>your fellow miner flies past you in drake armor with his double plasma cutter flying through the map
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>your fellow miner flies past you in drake armor with his double plasma cutter flying through the map
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Re: Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
WELP.Armhulen wrote:>you finally get out there with your cool ass ripley
>your fellow miner flies past you in drake armor with his double plasma cutter flying through the map
sigh
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Re: Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
Just let the Ripley KA have way more mods, like a 300 capacity for them and some unique ones such as an ore vaccum or knockback on hit. Your buddy in the lavaland gear might be able to run real fast but he can't do some of the stuff you can!
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Sometimes you write the stupidest shit and I worry because I can't figure out if you're being ironic or not.
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Re: Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
Says the man who believes that giving a Ripley a KA module suddenly turns it into a combat mech and that there possibly being people actually using it is bad.
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But the Ripley's been buffed, in many ways it is better than being non meched, and it does its job (mining) just fine.
But apparently I'm in the wrong because adding a 300 module space ka to a Ripley's will apparently not make it imba as fuck. Sure
But apparently I'm in the wrong because adding a 300 module space ka to a Ripley's will apparently not make it imba as fuck. Sure
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If it's as good as you say, why does nobody ever use them? Ripleys are god fucking awful at combat, and combat is a fact of life on lavaland that you inevitably encounter when mining. Every time you get in a fight you have to hop out of your mech and fight whatever it is off by hand, or you have to terribly fight while in the mech. Either way your mech takes an assload of damage and you have to fix it, and that's if it doesn't get totally scrapped because you had the misfortune of running into a legion tendril.
A Ripley needs a serious edge given to it if they want to be relevant at all, otherwise they'll continue to never be used.
A Ripley needs a serious edge given to it if they want to be relevant at all, otherwise they'll continue to never be used.
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You being bad at handling a Ripley doesn't mean they need a buff. They're pretty strong with the plasma cutter, and the only thing that can give you trouble at all are legions.
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Re: Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
@ShadowDimentio, have you used a Ripley equipped with a plasma cutter? They have the same damage as a KA but at longer range. Are you saying that the Ripley, being only one speed level slower than a human (in low pressure), immunity to ash, tentacles, freeze bolts, and fire breath, are awful at combat? I myself find Ripleys quite decent at fighting. They even hold their own against Drakes, especially when the cutter can clear the path ahead to allow you to continue moving. It takes some skill with toggling strafing mode, but once you master it, you will be quite well off. I have even managed to take down tendrils and loot the crates 1-2 seconds before a chasm forms.
Ripleys are clunky to use at times, but the are certainly not awful. You MUST install a plasma cutter else your Ripley WILL be awful. As to your original question, I am thinking that "no one" uses them because like the OP, not that many miners have given them much consideration. The OP himself did not know that there was a ranged option for the Ripley! Also, the Ripley is not roundstart gear, it requires a moderate effort on the part of a Roboticist, and people in this game not in the same department/team tend not to like relying on each other.
It is because a miner would have to wait several minutes for a Robo to answer the call and construct the mech. By the time the Robo finishes the mech, the other miners will have returned with the first haul. So, TL;DR: Miners rarely think about a Ripley, and the ones that do have to wait too long to get one.
Ripleys are clunky to use at times, but the are certainly not awful. You MUST install a plasma cutter else your Ripley WILL be awful. As to your original question, I am thinking that "no one" uses them because like the OP, not that many miners have given them much consideration. The OP himself did not know that there was a ranged option for the Ripley! Also, the Ripley is not roundstart gear, it requires a moderate effort on the part of a Roboticist, and people in this game not in the same department/team tend not to like relying on each other.
It is because a miner would have to wait several minutes for a Robo to answer the call and construct the mech. By the time the Robo finishes the mech, the other miners will have returned with the first haul. So, TL;DR: Miners rarely think about a Ripley, and the ones that do have to wait too long to get one.
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Re: Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
i like adding a ka with 300 modding cap idea
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Re: Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
300 modding cap would make it possible to have it do 150 damage. No, just no. The plasma cutter is fine, I got my first megafauna kill thanks to a firefighter ripley.Armhulen wrote:i like adding a ka with 300 modding cap idea
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That's it. I'm sick of all this "dual-wielding plasma cutters" bullshit that's going on in the /tg/ system right now. Ripleys deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine Ripley on Boxstation for 2,400,000 credits (that's about 500 plasma sheets) and have been practising with it for almost 2 minutes now. I can even cut slabs of solid rock with my Ripley.
Roboticists spend years working on a single Ripley and weld it up to a million times to produce the finest mechs known to mankind.
Ripleys are thrice as fast as plasma cutter miners and thrice as hard too. Anything a plasma cutter can cut through, a Ripley can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a Ripley could easily bisect a miner wearing full drake armour with a simple vertical drill.
Ever wonder why the Syndicate never bothered conquering the station? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Roboticists and their Ripleys of destruction. Even in War Ops, the ops targeted the men with the Ripleys first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Ripleys are simply the best mech the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the /tg/ system.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine Ripley on Boxstation for 2,400,000 credits (that's about 500 plasma sheets) and have been practising with it for almost 2 minutes now. I can even cut slabs of solid rock with my Ripley.
Roboticists spend years working on a single Ripley and weld it up to a million times to produce the finest mechs known to mankind.
Ripleys are thrice as fast as plasma cutter miners and thrice as hard too. Anything a plasma cutter can cut through, a Ripley can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a Ripley could easily bisect a miner wearing full drake armour with a simple vertical drill.
Ever wonder why the Syndicate never bothered conquering the station? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Roboticists and their Ripleys of destruction. Even in War Ops, the ops targeted the men with the Ripleys first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Ripleys are simply the best mech the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the /tg/ system.
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Re: Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
Katana attachment for Ripley's 2017.factoryman942 wrote:That's it. I'm sick of all this "dual-wielding plasma cutters" bullshit that's going on in the /tg/ system right now. Ripleys deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine Ripley on Boxstation for 2,400,000 credits (that's about 500 plasma sheets) and have been practising with it for almost 2 minutes now. I can even cut slabs of solid rock with my Ripley.
Roboticists spend years working on a single Ripley and weld it up to a million times to produce the finest mechs known to mankind.
Ripleys are thrice as fast as plasma cutter miners and thrice as hard too. Anything a plasma cutter can cut through, a Ripley can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a Ripley could easily bisect a miner wearing full drake armour with a simple vertical drill.
Ever wonder why the Syndicate never bothered conquering the station? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Roboticists and their Ripleys of destruction. Even in War Ops, the ops targeted the men with the Ripleys first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Ripleys are simply the best mech the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the /tg/ system.
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Re: Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
Ripleys are better on station because they can haul cargo and use an RCD attatchment.
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Quick someone look up how much a meatshot with a mech shotgun does.Dr_bee wrote:300 modding cap would make it possible to have it do 150 damage. No, just no. The plasma cutter is fine, I got my first megafauna kill thanks to a firefighter ripley.Armhulen wrote:i like adding a ka with 300 modding cap idea
I looked it up myself and supposedly the mech scattergun fires 40 pellets that deal 20 brute and 65 stamina each, so in a theoretically perfect shot you could deal 800 damage in one shot.
The mech scattergun also doesn't require perfect aim, a shitload of time spent gathering 10 damage modules doing mining or R&D, or a vaccum to deal all that damage.
So yeah my idea is fair and balanced and should be merged ASAP
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Just because mech numbers are a mess and not maintained doesn't mean more broken shit should be added. Keep your shitposts in the hut please.
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hahahah nibba please nech numbers hahaha hoooD&B wrote:Just because nech numbers are a mess and not maintained doesn't mean more broken shit should be added. Keep your shitposts in the hut please.
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okay serious reply this isn't broken shit, mining can get wayyyyyyyy more in the time you spend getting a mech. the massive amount of time and resources put into just never pays offD&B wrote:Just because nech numbers are a mess and not maintained doesn't mean more broken shit should be added. Keep your shitposts in the hut please.
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Yeah, in the time it'd take you to get a mech and the KA fully modded your fellow miners will have fully kitted themselves out too in crazy gear that you can't use at all. In many regards a Ripley miner will be inferior to a regular one, but they'll be fucking godlike at mining and structured combat against AI in their mech.
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Re: Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
>300 module space
>Stack 3 cooldown, 3 range and rest damage
>Make a one shotter with huge range.
>This is in addition to the person sitting inside
>And non accounting for the self repair module
As soon as the first back is done you can get miners and the mech fully modded. The ones that become God like as you so say are also the ones that spend the most time in lavaland working to get the drops. Pushing an utility mech into combat territory under the guise of "it'll always be inferior to normal miners!" Is factually false when Ripley's by themselves have a lot of advantages above miners and have been buffed recently to not be shit.
>Stack 3 cooldown, 3 range and rest damage
>Make a one shotter with huge range.
>This is in addition to the person sitting inside
>And non accounting for the self repair module
As soon as the first back is done you can get miners and the mech fully modded. The ones that become God like as you so say are also the ones that spend the most time in lavaland working to get the drops. Pushing an utility mech into combat territory under the guise of "it'll always be inferior to normal miners!" Is factually false when Ripley's by themselves have a lot of advantages above miners and have been buffed recently to not be shit.
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if repukan says a mining buff is too overpowered, it must be pretty fucking broken
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Re: Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
Mechs aught to be able to turn so they can shoot in a wider radius, even while in strafe mode. Here's a mock up quickly made of a mech turning its upper half on a 180% radius.
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Re: Kinetic accelerator for Ripley
I feel that would make them more difficult to use. This would be great for players with a controller sporting at least two directional button sets/sticks, but rather clunky for a keyboard and mouse user (which would be nearly all of us). What buttons would you use to turn the mech's torso? Would it be a torso/legs toggle instead? Or, would the mech's torso turn automatically based on where you are shooting?
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One thought was to have the fire key be completely seperate to where the mech is clicking with the current active module, with hotkeys it would be a lot like throwing with a keyclick to shift between the two but continues to fire until the fire mode key is disabled, wherever you click your mech will snap to that broad direction and your firing range adjusts.Gun Hog wrote:I feel that would make them more difficult to use. This would be great for players with a controller sporting at least two directional button sets/sticks, but rather clunky for a keyboard and mouse user (which would be nearly all of us). What buttons would you use to turn the mech's torso? Would it be a torso/legs toggle instead? Or, would the mech's torso turn automatically based on where you are shooting?
Obviously through UI buttons its a little more convoluted unless you put explicit mech button verbs & modes to the side
- One suggestion is to replace the activehands of the user UI at the bottom for the firing/moving mode, so that they can cycle & activate them with our existing hand verbs.
- There's also the possibility of using mekhis dragging clicks or mouse tracking in order to have the mech automatically follow your mouse (in which case you can then verb out of that preference) in order to move, turn & shoot at the same time.
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