Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

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Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby datorangebottle » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:02 pm #477835

You know, with a red message like "This is probably a bad idea."

It's a really shitty interaction that you can pay 1tc to completely invalidate the minimum timer for a syndicate bomb and just instantly wipe out part of the station with little to no effort or risk needed.



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Re: Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby actioninja » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:14 am #477857

Make ttvs impossible to instant open first and then you have an argument.
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Re: Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby Anonmare » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:16 am #477858

You know you can just put signallers in the syndie bomb to make it go off by remote, or any secondary explosive really (even a PDA explosion from DetoMax will set it off),

Or take the payload out, attach signallers to the C4's wires and leave them close together to create a remote bomb that can fit in lockers/bags/smuggler satchets/etc.

Removing the interaction is kinda pointless
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Re: Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby datorangebottle » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:45 am #477874

actioninja wrote:Make ttvs impossible to instant open first and then you have an argument.

okay, but that generally kills you

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Re: Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby MisterPerson » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:23 am #478006

yo dawg I heard you like bombs so I put a bomb on yo bomb so you can explode while you explode

Frankly I'd agree that the delay from syndiebombs should be on TTV's as well, although people would complain about removing the wires. And if you don't remove the wires, what's the point?
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Re: Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby Not-Dorsidarf » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:13 am #478055

Maybe we should go the other direction and lower the minimum timer on syndiebombs, but make it like TTT where the longer you set the timer the harder it is to defuse
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Re: Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby wesoda25 » Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:53 am #478118

Alternate solution: keep everything as it is.

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Re: Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby datorangebottle » Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:39 am #478139

wesoda25 wrote:Alternate solution: keep everything as it is.



alternative solution: no

syndie bombs should not be easy to set off unless you're fucking up disarming it.

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Re: Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby Dr_bee » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:00 am #478150

Just make bomb cores not explode from explosive damage. It is a simpler change that would solve this problem.

Fluff it to being an explosive that needs an electric charge to detonate or something.

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Re: Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby Steelpoint » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:01 am #478151

Better idea, the longer the bombs timer is set for, the stronger the explosion will be, to a point.
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Re: Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby Screemonster » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:01 am #478152

datorangebottle wrote:
wesoda25 wrote:Alternate solution: keep everything as it is.



alternative solution: no

syndie bombs should not be easy to set off unless you're fucking up disarming it.

put signaler on bomb wires

SOMEBODY SET UP US THE BOMB

WE GET SIGNAL

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Re: Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby MGP » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:50 am #478177

>Spend almost all of your TC
>For one hole, that will just be fixed in a few minutes by the guaranteed Engie-borg.

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Re: Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby Vile Beggar » Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:53 am #478222

MGP wrote:>Spend almost all of your TC
>For one hole, that will just be fixed in a few minutes by the guaranteed Engie-borg.

this is such a lie because no engineer in EXISTENCE is going to bother fixing all of the damage a bomb causes, NO ONE, maybe they'll patch up the breach, but the shuttle will already get called the instant a bomb is heard going off because it's such a pain in the goddamned ass to fix.
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Re: Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby Dr_bee » Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:21 am #478229

Vile Beggar wrote:
MGP wrote:>Spend almost all of your TC
>For one hole, that will just be fixed in a few minutes by the guaranteed Engie-borg.

this is such a lie because no engineer in EXISTENCE is going to bother fixing all of the damage a bomb causes, NO ONE, maybe they'll patch up the breach, but the shuttle will already get called the instant a bomb is heard going off because it's such a pain in the goddamned ass to fix.


Thats more just the nature of bombs in this game. Explosions do so much fucking damage that it takes 30 minutes to fix all of the problems one bomb can cause, and thats an entire round these days.

Plugging the hole is usually the most an engineer can do without derailing whatever plans they had for the round. God help them if they want to try fixing the pipes and disposals damaged by a the bomb, or deal with all the superficial damage like blown lights and scorched floor tiles.

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Re: Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby zxaber » Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:30 am #478233

Does signaling the wires actually work? I swear I tried it once in a test server and couldn't get it to go off, concluding that some snowflake code was in place to prevent that sort of thing.
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Re: Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby Karp » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:07 pm #478308

zxaber wrote:Does signaling the wires actually work? I swear I tried it once in a test server and couldn't get it to go off, concluding that some snowflake code was in place to prevent that sort of thing.


https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/issues/42806
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Re: Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby wesoda25 » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:27 pm #478310

Karp wrote:
zxaber wrote:Does signaling the wires actually work? I swear I tried it once in a test server and couldn't get it to go off, concluding that some snowflake code was in place to prevent that sort of thing.


https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/issues/42806

Thats an issue with logging, not the bomb detonation itself. Meaning a bomb which explodes via clicking and setting a timer is logged, but not one exploded by pulsing its boom wire.

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Re: Make it so you can't put C4 onto a bomb.

Postby Karp » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:30 pm #478311

wesoda25 wrote:
Karp wrote:
zxaber wrote:Does signaling the wires actually work? I swear I tried it once in a test server and couldn't get it to go off, concluding that some snowflake code was in place to prevent that sort of thing.


https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/issues/42806

Thats an issue with logging, not the bomb detonation itself. Meaning a bomb which explodes via clicking and setting a timer is logged, but not one exploded by pulsing its boom wire.


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