Wizards Den/Ship

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:23 am #50876

One thing that annoyed me as a Wizard was when I selected the Scything Orb. As you know the orb grants you thermal like vision. So I could see that I was not only floating in space, but am adjacent to the CentCom Central Command and the Nuke Ops Planet. What I plan to do is properly spread things out to prevent that from occurring, but the big question I want to ask is this...

Should the Wizard's homebase be in a Den on a planet, or in a spaceship in space?

Zsword · Post by **Zsword** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:17 am #50885

I always felt like a Ship was more appropriate than a planetoid for wizards, the Nuke ops I can understand having a planetoid because it's like a checkpoint base, in theory a Wizard is already 'deployed' and just has to pick an arsenal to infiltrate with.

Septavius · Post by **Septavius** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:20 am #50886

a ship like goon has would be neat.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:19 am #50898

A ship would be the best idea since we wouldn't have to set up turfs outside the wizard's den for the sake of people who get the xray

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:08 am #50911

I think I'll make a ship then, while I could do a fancy thing of setting it up like the Syndi ship, I think for the time being I'll just leave it on the Centcom Z-Level.

Anyway, what style of ship do we want? Something similar to Goon's ship or what?

JStheguy · Post by **JStheguy** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:39 am #50918

Alternate better/worse idea: put it ON the syndie planet but separated by a line of trees you can't see through. Like, the wiz den is just on the other side of a shitty tiny cluster of trees from the syndie outpost and no one noticed.

Wizardjenkins66 · Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:04 pm

Put it in the negative energy plane. Full of those monsters he keeps a pet and piles of skeletons.

ExplosiveCrate · Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:49 am

Wizardjenkins66 wrote:Put it in the negative energy plane. Full of those monsters he keeps a pet and piles of skeletons.

So just surround the wizard with whatever image this server is using for derelict space?

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:23 am #51562

First iteration of the wizard ships outline.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:32 am #51579

Just make it one room like the current wizard's den, the doors are unecessary

ExplosiveCrate · Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:59 am

The doors make it look like it's actually a ship. No harm in having doors.

RogerWilco · Post by **RogerWilco** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:27 pm #51619

ExplosiveCrate wrote:
So just surround the wizard with whatever image this server is using for derelict space?

holy shit
which server is this

ExplosiveCrate · Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:38 pm

Ariastation, server that got lost in the ether and never came back, which is a shame because it was apparently using several replicated features from goon.

That is a derelict that was accessed by using telescience to open up a flesh portal

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:40 pm #51622

I would love if I could get those cloud sprites, would be a really nice addition to the Wizard ship.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:17 pm #52751

Put up a PR alongside some other minor changes over here: https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/6519

Image of the Wizard's Ship as it stands.

Reimoo · Post by **Reimoo** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:11 am #52899

I don't like the purple flooring.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:52 am #53494

New ship design, thanks to suggestions in the PR.

Septavius · Post by **Septavius** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:41 am #53495

maybe those pulse rifles aren't the best idea

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:47 am #53496

The Wizard cannot get access to them in any possible way short of a admin deleting the walls to them.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:51 am #53497

Also, this is the newest version.

Peble · Post by **Peble** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:57 am #53498

its a ship?

mrpain · Post by **mrpain** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:12 am #53499

No vending machines?

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:19 am #53500

mrpain wrote:No vending machines?

Look five tiles above the Wizard.

mrpain · Post by **mrpain** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:30 am #53502

Steelpoint wrote:
mrpain wrote:No vending machines?
Look five tiles above the Wizard.

Ahhh. Sorry. I'm an idiot.

Balut · Post by **Balut** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:32 am #53503

I am pretty fucking super-okay with looted wizardship held together with magical duct-tape.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:38 am #53504

The idea given in my PR was that the reason the Wizard wants to hijack the station's emergency escape shuttle is because his/her ship is essentially blown up.

So I'm quite happy with the design, any additional feedback would be great (I'm going to put in the bedsheets, don't worry)

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:57 pm #53539

More updated version of the Wizard's ship, with added personal quarters and engine room.

Spoiler:

allura · Post by **allura** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:45 pm #53543

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 4:35 pm #53550

Wont the uranium walls fucking destroy the wizards like right after he spawns?

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 4:39 pm #53551

Those aren't uranium walls, they are normal unstimulated walls using the uranium sprites.

Bluespace · Post by **Bluespace** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 4:39 pm #53552

Remove the pulse rifle. Smart wizards will figure out ways to get to it. It'll happen.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 4:42 pm #53553

There is no possible way for a Wizard to get it barring a admin deleting the walls.

Lo6a4evskiy · Post by **Lo6a4evskiy** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 4:55 pm #53556

An awful whole lot of blood for a nice retired old man practicing magic.

Bluespace · Post by **Bluespace** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:41 pm #53557

Steelpoint wrote:There is no possible way for a Wizard to get it barring a admin deleting the walls.

Is everything in that den fireball proof then?
Staff of change + apprentice = Cyborg that can RCD through the wall.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:10 pm #53559

Bluespace wrote:Is everything in that den fireball proof then?
Staff of change + apprentice = Cyborg that can RCD through the wall.

If he's using unsimulated shuttle/centcom walls, then no that wont work either.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:25 pm #53564

What stops the wizard smashing the windows?

ExplosiveCrate · Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:16 pm

They're likely the fake windows CentCom uses.

Reimoo · Post by **Reimoo** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:50 am #53620

Perhaps you should just remove the rifle anyway considering dumb wizards will waste the entire round trying to get to it.

ExplosiveCrate · Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:34 am

I cannot fathom how anyone could spend longer than five minutes trying out things to get the rifle. There's no tools and spells don't work on the z-level, only way I could see them wasting a ton of time on is by summoning an apprentice and trying to turn him into a borg, and that would likely lead to the death/infinite incapacitation of the wizard when the apprentice is turned into a syndieborg (who kills him) or a borg (who stuns, strips, and alerts the AI to the wizard).

Post by **MMMiracles** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:40 am #53627

Turn it into a cap gun with the pulse rifle sprite so people feel stupid about wasting their wizard round trying to get to a cap gun.

Erbbu · Post by **Erbbu** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 6:01 am #53648

ExplosiveCrate wrote:I cannot fathom how anyone could spend longer than five minutes trying out things to get the rifle. There's no tools and spells don't work on the z-level, only way I could see them wasting a ton of time on is by summoning an apprentice and trying to turn him into a borg, and that would likely lead to the death/infinite incapacitation of the wizard when the apprentice is turned into a syndieborg (who kills him) or a borg (who stuns, strips, and alerts the AI to the wizard).

Never underestimate the incompetence of an SS13 player.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:47 am #53681

I did some more testing.

I discovered one possible method of a Wizard to be able to gain access to the bridge of his ship. He would have to summon an apprentice, then use a staff of changing(whatever) to turn that apprentice into a cyborg, which could then pick a engineering module and then use a wrench to unsecure the disabled door, thus giving access to the bridge.

I've fixed that by hiding a force wall underneath the door.

soulgamer · Post by **soulgamer** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:23 pm #53906

Steelpoint wrote:I did some more testing.

I discovered one possible method of a Wizard to be able to gain access to the bridge of his ship. He would have to summon an apprentice, then use a staff of changing(whatever) to turn that apprentice into a cyborg, which could then pick a engineering module and then use a wrench to unsecure the disabled door, thus giving access to the bridge.

I've fixed that by hiding a force wall underneath the door.

What about the blink spell?

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:54 pm #53910

As noted, any teleportation spell simply does not work on the centcom z-level.

ThatSlyFox · Post by **ThatSlyFox** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:37 am #54072

Why would a wizard need a ship anyway? They teleport around. Is it too late to suggest he starts on a planet?

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:44 am #54087

ThatSlyFox wrote:Why would a wizard need a ship anyway? They teleport around. Is it too late to suggest he starts on a planet?

Teleport only has a range of 50 miles for a 20th level wizard bro. (I'm just making this shit up but seriously Teleport couldn't teleport you to other planets and shit in D&D even at 20th level)