Merge taser and disablers into one 2 hit stun

[CPTANT]

1. Merge the taser and disablers into a new 2 hit taser system.

First hit should be either a ministun and/or a short duration slowdown. (slowdown should wear of way faster than disabler damage)

~12 shots in the weapon.
Taser sprite and penetration.

2. Buff laser rifles/e-guns to increase securities firepower.

laser rifle:
~14 shots
~25 damage

Change shifts focus from stun combat to lethal weaponry without rendering security impotent.

[Steelpoint]

Just do what Goon does and make Tasers a two hit stun instead, there's no difference if your hit once (that I can recall) but it just gives the person being attacked a bit more chance to not get stunned off the bag.

[Steelpoint]

Not Disabling or any of that.

Disable was left unfinished and honestly we should not be using it, its broken with ballistic weapons and its been left to rot since no one wants to finish it.

[CPTANT]

Not Disabling or any of that.

Disable was left unfinished and honestly we should not be using it, its broken with ballistic weapons and its been left to rot since no one wants to finish it.

Are you refering to the normal disabler shots? The stamina damage they cause takes way too long to wear off.

[Steelpoint]

Yes, disabling is stupid, unfinished and unfair to a extent and honestly should be gutted.

Good luck getting anyone competent in coding to do up this system for you however.

[ShadowDimentio]

Disablers were a limp dick attempt to mimic what Goon has been doing for a long time, make tasers still be good, just not an instant win button.

Just remove disablers and make tasers require two consecutive hits. Best of both worlds.

[Zilenan91]

I'm all for stopping taser rampages.

[DemonFiren]

I find it funny that before went and did unspeakable things to stuns ranged combat seemed to be fine.

[Cheimon]

Hah, yeah, while you're at it you could even make them fire little "stun bullets" and look a bit more like a police pistol.

[CPTANT]

Hah, yeah, while you're at it you could even make them fire little "stun bullets" and look a bit more like a police pistol.

What a great idea!


but if that proves too controversial I guess just grabbing the current taser, making it 2 shot, increasing the magazine charge and making it unlimited range would also be a really good option.

[Saegrimr]

So are people really wanting going back to the old tazer except its 2 shots instead of 1 now, and no disabler?

Does anybody else see how hilarious this whole turn of events has been?

[Super Aggro Crag]

i like current tasers

[Incomptinence]

Disablers were a mistake and made with poor intentions from the start.

Running into actually lethal firearms leads to switch back to tasers or die behaviour. This shit is basically balanced for fighting poorly equipped criminals only look I know your greytide is very important to you but sec design shouldn't be based around incrementally making it easier.

[Super Aggro Crag]

what is bad about disablers?

[CPTANT]

what is bad about disablers?

They promote complete spray and pray, make it basically impossible to escape after 1 hit due to the slowdown and the slowdown takes way too long to wear off.

[Super Aggro Crag]

you can spray with a taser too if you have enough of them

[Cheimon]

I like current tasers, the disable option is useful in dealing with certain situations and overall adds more nuance to the weapon. Is it overpowered? I don't know. Do I like it? Yes, it's fine, it works well for me.

[Shaps-cloud]

Yeah let's not act as if the current system is totally broken. Improvements are good, but let's not rush to scrap tasers for something different just because

[Luke Cox]

I could get behind tasers being two-hit stuns. Still reliable for sec, but not insta-win like it is now. Tasers shouldn't be ultimately more lethal than bullets.

[Shadowlight213]

Yeah. I like the idea of tasers needing 2 shots to hit. Maybe have being hit once cause you to jitter for a while and if you are hit again before the effect wears off you get stunned.
Disablers currently are shit. Once you actually get someone down with disablers damage, they are pretty much fucked as even if they get up, they move so slowly it's impossible for then to escape.

[Cheimon]

Disablers are effective if you're trying to chase someone down who's running away, but if you're actually in combat they're not as useful as taser stuns. Being slower doesn't really affect your ability to melee someone in a small room, so you're not fucked so long as you have access to some kind of weapon.

[lumipharon]

Hard to melee someone when you're moving at a snails pace because of stam damage.

[Incomptinence]

you can spray with a taser too if you have enough of them

Its purely a greytide balanced armament like poorly armed assistants/other nonantags stealing shit exist in a vacuum and are the only thing we should be catching.

Revolver? Tank the dissablers pop pop them back dead. Pneumatic cannon can probably make them give up because taking your ass to brig or getting their bleeding ass patched becomes their options.

Any nuke firearm? Balance is out the window all this shit 1-2 shots you, yeah officers switch over to tasers no very important staff like the captain and hop don't start with this shit making ambushes insanely effective as it becomes one guy with a 5 shots to crit weapon versus 5 heavily armed men. Ruined eguns are probably a huge contributor to bellow max pop nuke wins being so easy. Since the taser limited range is basically just due to a coder getting into hissy fits over long rang stuns on their criminal ass until the officers go to the armoury to get guns that aren't ruined they have the choice of being totally outmatched on range OR firepower. Yes nuke ops will off screen pepper you with bullets.

[Luke Cox]

Hard to melee someone when you're moving at a snails pace because of stam damage.

You have to land a few hits to actually get to that point though, all while they're trying to disarm you

[DrPillzRedux]

Goon tasers work in that after the first shot the person basically spins and moves around randomly in a small area so the second shot isn't difficult to connect.

[J_Madison]

Stamina damage is nothing special. There are drugs that reduce stamina damage far faster than drugs that help recover against stuns.

I suggest decreasing stun times and changing how stamina damage works.

Stamina should keep you on the floor for longer, but not slow as much.

[Amelius]

Nooooooooope. Just put up a poll and you'll see how little support this idea has. We already have:

1. Tasers. One-shot stun, easily jukable, low ammo, doesn't go through windows/etc.

2. Disablers, 3-shot stun, impossible to juke, ridiculously high ammo, goes through windows/etc.

Disablers are flat better most of the time since a single hit with your wall of disabler bolts is almost always enough to slow them down enough to get the other two. Unless you're in maintenance or you need someone down ~now~, disablers win out, which is almost every situation.

Nerfing 1. to a 2 shot stun makes it redundant and straight-up worse in all areas to disablers. It's also no fun since it necessitates increasing ammo capacity, making them spammable and non-jukeable again. It also means sec's job gets harder, esp. with random greytiders, and tators no longer would have viable equipment to steal, making their life harder (the sole advantage of a lone, unallied antagonist is the element of surprise - when that is no longer in play, i.e. it takes two hits to take someone out and the first barely does shit, it'll be a huge disadvantage for them).

[Zilenan91]

have you read the thread in any way. people were talking about removing disablers and replacing them with this.

[tuypo1]

Hah, yeah, while you're at it you could even make them fire little "stun bullets" and look a bit more like a police pistol.

that's exactly what d20 did about a week ago

[Cheimon]

I'm only referencing the sec pistols done by steelpoint.

[Zilenan91]

Is anyone working on making this happen?

[CPTANT]

Is anyone working on making this happen?

Not as of yet.

[Super Aggro Crag]

Is anyone working

no