make traitors start with 25 TCs instead of 20

[PKPenguin321]

what's the worst that could happen

[Zilenan91]

People were suggesting they start out with 30 a while ago but to compensate a lot of hte prices would be scaled up. It would allow for far more precise balancing of the prices of Traitor items.

[Incomptinence]

Increasing price flexibility is good but usually met by price increases on weapons. So I am a bit wary.

Also you sure you want to get killed more penguin? You seem like a risk adverse kind of player.

[Steelpoint]

What's the point of continually giving Traitors more TC's if your just going to raise the price of everything to match it, only to never actually allow anyone to lower the price of anything because he might take two of something!

20 TC's is fine, just bloody adjust the price of equipment from there instead of raising the price of everything and starting a 50 comment chain because everyone now has to chime in about the price of a energy dagger being 1 TC less than double the amount to compensate.

[Incomptinence]

How about fractional TC so our traitors can be Fraction Jackson and save the beebles?

[CPTANT]

I have always been higly in favour of this (with some adjustments on explosives). But unfortunately the last time we tried to implement it is was instantly shot down with the following reasoning:

"There was already a 30TC PR shut down so a 25TC PR is a dupe and must be closed"

[PKPenguin321]

What's the point of continually giving Traitors more TC's if your just going to raise the price of everything to match it, only to never actually allow anyone to lower the price of anything because he might take two of something!

20 TC's is fine, just bloody adjust the price of equipment from there instead of raising the price of everything and starting a 50 comment chain because everyone now has to chime in about the price of a energy dagger being 1 TC less than double the amount to compensate.

Nah, don't adjust the prices of stuff, just give them 5 more TCs. That way they can buy the obligatory emag/EMP kit and still have TCs to do other stuff, or just outright have more traitor stuff in general.

[PKPenguin321]

Also you sure you want to get killed more penguin? You seem like a risk adverse kind of player.

I am genuinely ashamed that you think this
I get really salty, but I firmly believe in more death on the station

[Zilenan91]

The problem with giving then 25 TCs and not adjusting prices would mean that traitors would buy two syndicate bombs every round and it'd be macrobomb week again.

[PKPenguin321]

The problem with giving then 25 TCs and not adjusting prices would mean that traitors would buy two syndicate bombs every round and it'd be macrobomb week again.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[J_Madison]

honestly I'd raise everything by 10x. It makes balancing costs easier. 10 TC was incredibly difficult to balance prices, but 20 is still restrictive.

[onleavedontatme]

>stand, adrenal, other toys

>stand+a gun

>adrenal+revolver+thermals

>adrenal+ebow+???

>lmao 2 bomb

It'd just enable good players to go on even dumber killing sprees by having a near free adrenal implant as a safety net before the snowball of stealing officer tasers starts.

[Incomptinence]

Why yes that is what we want because the initial newling principal of leaving shit impotent as fuck until some fucking spess mans scholar of the getting good comes along makes for dull rounds for everyone 90% of the time.

Hell buff all non cookie cutter wiz spells so everyone who doesn't use Lumi's min max build or ei nath mmblinkjaunt classic isn't basically killing themselves.

[lumipharon]

>stand, adrenal, other toys

>stand+a gun

>adrenal+revolver+thermals

>adrenal+ebow+???

>lmao 2 bomb

It'd just enable good players to go on even dumber killing sprees by having a near free adrenal implant as a safety net before the snowball of stealing officer tasers starts.

Pretty much this.
Having more tc's won't make the gamemode better.

The only thing more tc's allows me to do is murderbone more. It doesn't help with issues like the AI being able to instantly shut you down, or having 20 validhunters after your ass as soon as word gets out.

[Incomptinence]

It does when the traitor menu has solutions to those problems and more from multiple angles.

[lumipharon]

Having a AI detector is useful, but it doesn't stop the AI from doing anything, just lets you know if it's quietly spying on you.

And despite what some people say, it is exceedingly impractical, to the point I have NEVER SEEN IT DONE EVER, to disable every possible camera that can see you or where you'll have to go, prior to commitin some crime.

And I don't know what item can help against the validtide, although I suppose that soap clusterbomb might be a hilarious, if temporary way to do so.

To be honest, all three of these problems are severely mitigated when there's an active powersink in play, but they're so easy to find unless very well hidden, and can be countered so easily by wiring the engine into the grid, that you almost never see them.

[invisty]

How about making the uplink menu have a per-round and all-time supply/demand cost calculation, that sets both the round-start cost of items, and then adjusts the cost of those items as they are purchased. It could also decrease the cost of unpopular items during the round, meaning each tater round would likely have several traitors of different play styles.

Stealth items for super cheap? Yes plz. Encouraging alternatives to emags? Yes plz.

Capitalism, ho!

[Ezel]

Two whole stands! Makes metafriending even better!

[PKPenguin321]

Two whole stands! Makes metafriending even better!

you can only have one, the game straight up won't let you implant a second one (i'm not proposing this, it's already like this in the game)

The only thing more tc's allows me to do is murderbone more. It doesn't help with issues like the AI being able to instantly shut you down, or having 20 validhunters after your ass as soon as word gets out.

and yet every time somebody talks about nerfing the AI, people whine endlessly

[Ezel]

Metafriending in giving your buddy also a holo and m e t a g a m e

[PKPenguin321]

Metafriending in giving your buddy also a holo and m e t a g a m e

i genuinely hope you're joking

[Helios]

how about we just offer a single free 1 or 2 TC item, that's a product of the company you work for.
So you get an extra C4 or AI detector or Camera tap or Carp or deck of cards. Having a crewmember get a chameleon stamp won't break the game
The problem with balance is that prices are tuned pretty carefully. So give traitors a free item as it will give them incentives to try items they haven't

[J_Madison]

Metafriending in giving your buddy also a holo and m e t a g a m e

i genuinely hope you're joking

has happened.

[PKPenguin321]

Metafriending in giving your buddy also a holo and m e t a g a m e

i genuinely hope you're joking

has happened.

alright, sure, but those are the people that would metagame anyways. giving traitors 5 more TCs wont make everybody suddenly say "oh boy now i can metagame"
i mean come on

[CPTANT]

>stand, adrenal, other toys

>stand+a gun

>adrenal+revolver+thermals

>adrenal+ebow+???

>lmao 2 bomb

It'd just enable good players to go on even dumber killing sprees by having a near free adrenal implant as a safety net before the snowball of stealing officer tasers starts.

This is a good thing. I basically never feel threatened by traitors ever, the balance has gone in complete disfavour of traitors over time.

Increasing bombs to half of you tc+1 was already suggested when this was discussed ages ago.

Any other severe imbalances that often occur can be easily adjusted after looking what new meta will evolve from this TC increase (which is badly needed)


Like I said before, people should stop being such pussies about each and every balance change proposed.

[TheNightingale]

Facilitating murder sprees isn't a good thing. If we want to encourage traitors to be fun, don't give them more TC to spend on combat gear, reduce the costs of non-combat gear and add more interesting gadgets. Storage implants, Mulligans, dehydrated carp, and so on. Buff the weaker gear to bring it in line with adrenals/holoparasites - a traitor shouldn't have to buy a bunch of combat gear just to survive, because that always leads to lube-esword (etc) killstreaks.

[CPTANT]

Facilitating murder sprees isn't a good thing. If we want to encourage traitors to be fun, don't give them more TC to spend on combat gear, reduce the costs of non-combat gear and add more interesting gadgets. Storage implants, Mulligans, dehydrated carp, and so on. Buff the weaker gear to bring it in line with adrenals/holoparasites - a traitor shouldn't have to buy a bunch of combat gear just to survive, because that always leads to lube-esword (etc) killstreaks.

Yes it's a good thing, traitors murder less than ever and it is boring as hell.

[onleavedontatme]

We've kind of developed ourselves into a corner where it is often easier to kill fucking everyone than to get away with one murder quietly.

I'll test merge 25tc if you want but I promise it will get old very fast.

I don't think many people think "wow, paranoia, this is exciting!" when certain players would use the same cookie cutter preferred strategy to silently kill as many people as possible 10 rounds in a row. If you make it too dangerous, it becomes just as boring in another way because nobody else is even getting to play anymore.

EDIT: It also feels incredibly shitty to finally land a hit on that guy who just killed 20 people, only for him to hit the "HAHA I IGNORED YOUR ATTACK" button, get up, and end your life with one taser shot.

Clearly this is all HG's fault for nerfing runspeed because have to let people tank stuns instead of dodge them now.

[Steelpoint]

revert to oldcode 2k16