Low Rule Day
- Stickymayhem
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Low Rule Day
Alright nerds. Some people have complained they need a masters in mental health law to understand our ruleset so let's try a little experiment.
By which I mean I'm doing a thing and you just get to go along for the ride.
One day with the rules stripped back to the bare minimum:
1. Don't use outside information (Metacommunication, using player, gamemode or antag knowledge excessively etc.)
2. Don't murder people without a decent reason
3. Don't be a dick outside of roleplay
4. Don't ERP
5. If you start shit and get fucked up you can't adminhelp when it comes back around.
6. No IC in OOC or OOC in IC
7. Silicons must follow their laws. Be prepared to justify yourself by them if you act like a dick.
For this day everything will be a lot more lax. Not anarchy but if someone isn't breaking one of those rules, you deal with it ICly. Same goes for security. Short of random murder if people are being cunts just openly beat them to death, then enjoy the wrath of an unhinged asimov AI. Or a greytide mob.
Bans handed out for anything that closely resembles the above rules will be treated normally.
Bans handed out for grey areas further from these rules will max out at 24 hours so you'll only really miss the rest of the show.
I reckon I'll run this day next week.
By which I mean I'm doing a thing and you just get to go along for the ride.
One day with the rules stripped back to the bare minimum:
1. Don't use outside information (Metacommunication, using player, gamemode or antag knowledge excessively etc.)
2. Don't murder people without a decent reason
3. Don't be a dick outside of roleplay
4. Don't ERP
5. If you start shit and get fucked up you can't adminhelp when it comes back around.
6. No IC in OOC or OOC in IC
7. Silicons must follow their laws. Be prepared to justify yourself by them if you act like a dick.
For this day everything will be a lot more lax. Not anarchy but if someone isn't breaking one of those rules, you deal with it ICly. Same goes for security. Short of random murder if people are being cunts just openly beat them to death, then enjoy the wrath of an unhinged asimov AI. Or a greytide mob.
Bans handed out for anything that closely resembles the above rules will be treated normally.
Bans handed out for grey areas further from these rules will max out at 24 hours so you'll only really miss the rest of the show.
I reckon I'll run this day next week.
Boris wrote:Sticky is a jackass who has worms where his brain should be, but he also gets exactly what SS13 should be
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Re: Low Rule Day
will drones get bwoinked if they don't pay attention to their laws and interact with humans
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- Eaglendia
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Re: Low Rule Day
If the posted guidelines are adhered to at all I imagine you'd cop a dayban from Drone/pAI/whatever if someone ahelped it.420weedscopes wrote:will drones get bwoinked if they don't pay attention to their laws and interact with humans
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- imblyings
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Re: Low Rule Day
Depends on the severity of the law infraction like always. From recent examples, a drone crowbarring up some floor tiles that a human was laying down to fix the wire underneath will be given a friendly warning, while a drone that's setting up a singulo beacon bought from the tator pda of it's previous life will be given a quick drone perma.
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- TechnoAlchemist
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Re: Low Rule Day
This is basically just a generalized version of our current rules so I don't imagine it will be that different.
- Stickymayhem
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Re: Low Rule Day
If it's no different then hooray we just ditched several dozen meaningless rules that everyone was smart enough to adhere to anyway.
Boris wrote:Sticky is a jackass who has worms where his brain should be, but he also gets exactly what SS13 should be
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- Not-Dorsidarf
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Re: Low Rule Day
I wish this was only dropping several dozen rules. Boiling silicoln policy down to "Don't be an asshole; if you're an asshole, better type fast when the Man comes calling" is inspired.Stickymayhem wrote:If it's no different then hooray we just ditched several dozen meaningless rules that everyone was smart enough to adhere to anyway.
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- iamgoofball
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Re: Low Rule Day
can this be made the default rules
i don't give a rat's ass about "m-m-muh generic!!!!" this is much better
i don't give a rat's ass about "m-m-muh generic!!!!" this is much better
- Stickymayhem
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Re: Low Rule Day
Let's see if it works first.
Boris wrote:Sticky is a jackass who has worms where his brain should be, but he also gets exactly what SS13 should be
- THE MIGHTY GALVATRON
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Re: Low Rule Day
We had other rules?
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- Saegrimr
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Re: Low Rule Day
Literally nothing has changed about the rules apart from the dollar-store-receipt-for-a-pack-of-gum Silicon Policy section, and the specific roleplay policies.
I still think we should keep the braindead heads thing though for that though I don't expect it to be much of a problem for a 24 hour thing.
I still think we should keep the braindead heads thing though for that though I don't expect it to be much of a problem for a 24 hour thing.
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- peoplearestrange
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Re: Low Rule Day
The difficulty with this is that the relies on admin judgment. By which I mean its up to the admin to read what they take from the rules. In the past people have been... unaccepting of admins rulings (hence why old law 0 is rarely called).
Also is rule 0 still in action on this day?
I assume rape falls under ERP?
Also I assume this means greytiding is valid if you're an assistant? As it loosely falls under roleplay for that job role (its what people have come to expect) and whilst it is being a dick it ISN'T outside of roleplay.
Also is rule 0 still in action on this day?
I assume rape falls under ERP?
Also I assume this means greytiding is valid if you're an assistant? As it loosely falls under roleplay for that job role (its what people have come to expect) and whilst it is being a dick it ISN'T outside of roleplay.
Whatever
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- Saegrimr
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Re: Low Rule Day
Are you seriouspeoplearestrange wrote:I assume rape falls under ERP?
Also I assume this means greytiding is valid if you're an assistant? As it loosely falls under roleplay for that job role
tedward1337 wrote:Sae is like the racist grandad who everyone laughs at for being racist, but deep down we all know he's right.
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Re: Low Rule Day
can i make euphenism for erp instead
i mean shit its low rule day i should be able to "beat it around the bush" so to speak you know
like metaphorical erp an' shit you dig me
you dig me right?
i mean shit its low rule day i should be able to "beat it around the bush" so to speak you know
like metaphorical erp an' shit you dig me
you dig me right?
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- Scones
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Re: Low Rule Day
emptyquote meme on thisColonicAcid wrote:can i make euphenism for erp instead
i mean shit its low rule day i should be able to "beat it around the bush" so to speak you know
like metaphorical erp an' shit you dig me
you dig me right?
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Re: Low Rule Day
Basically this.peoplearestrange wrote:The difficulty with this is that the relies on admin judgment. By which I mean its up to the admin to read what they take from the rules. In the past people have been... unaccepting of admins rulings (hence why old law 0 is rarely called).
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Re: Low Rule Day
These are the only rules I follow. I wasn't aware there were more rules.
- Saegrimr
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Re: Low Rule Day
Well you're already doing better than a lot of players at least.Scott wrote:These are the only rules I follow. I wasn't aware there were more rules.
tedward1337 wrote:Sae is like the racist grandad who everyone laughs at for being racist, but deep down we all know he's right.
- TheLongbowMan
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Re: Low Rule Day
You could probably cut it down even further,
So basically:
Rule #1: Don't be a dick.
So basically:
Rule #1: Don't be a dick.
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Re: Low Rule Day
Even that is hard for some people.
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Re: Low Rule Day
retroactively free drone
- Stickymayhem
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Re: Low Rule Day
But who was drone
Boris wrote:Sticky is a jackass who has worms where his brain should be, but he also gets exactly what SS13 should be
- ThatSlyFox
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Re: Low Rule Day
Pretty much this. the other policies are pretty much there so we don't have to use rule 0 on everything.TechnoAlchemist wrote:This is basically just a generalized version of our current rules so I don't imagine it will be that different.
I do like the idea in general though. Rule 1 only day would be great.
Re: Low Rule Day
But it's also basically what the old rules were, as long as you could logically present that your actions fitted your law set you were fineNot-Dorsidarf wrote:I wish this was only dropping several dozen rules. Boiling silicoln policy down to "Don't be an asshole; if you're an asshole, better type fast when the Man comes calling" is inspired.Stickymayhem wrote:If it's no different then hooray we just ditched several dozen meaningless rules that everyone was smart enough to adhere to anyway.
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Re: Low Rule Day
>don't ERP
why
why
- peoplearestrange
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Re: Low Rule Day
People that remember when the game was a game where people were jerks to each other and we accepted that because that was the name of the game.
- Stickymayhem
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Re: Low Rule Day
If it's successful, everyone.peoplearestrange wrote:One question,
Who does this change really benefit?
Implementing superlegalism hasn't worked. In trying to tie down shitters we've just defined legal areas of shittery. For admins this ruleset means they can focus on the simple question of "Is this person incompetent, an asshole or innocent?" and just deal with intent instead of trying to be wannabe lawyers.
For players, it's fewer rules to follow, more freedom to do fun things and hopefully less fear of using the game to get back at people fucking with you in the game. By extension the game will probably get a little more lethal too which is what people want. Now when someone kills someone else you won't be immediately sure they are an antag. They might have just dunked a guy annoying them or something.
It's a trial run and a risky idea. Some of the admins who joined and 'grew up' with this system may not like it but I think players and admins alike just need to toughen up a bit. Players need to accept that the admins probably know best and that they should adminhelp less and toolbox people who annoy them more, and admins need to accept that they'll have to defend their decisions without pointing to pieces of a ridiculous legal document but instead with a basic discussion deciding whether the player is shit, incompetent or misunderstood.
Boris wrote:Sticky is a jackass who has worms where his brain should be, but he also gets exactly what SS13 should be
Re: Low Rule Day
I'm just going to assume that this is badly phrased rather than yell at you.Stickymayhem wrote:Players need to accept that the admins probably know best
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Re: Low Rule Day
yeah i agree ss13 shouldnt be about having fun, it should be about making sure other people dont have fun.Malkevin wrote:People that remember when the game was a game where people were jerks to each other and we accepted that because that was the name of the game.
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- peoplearestrange
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Re: Low Rule Day
See this is why we need to remove admin feedback and complaints! We're GREAT at making sure other people don't have fun! :VMiauw wrote:yeah i agree ss13 shouldnt be about having fun, it should be about making sure other people dont have fun.Malkevin wrote:People that remember when the game was a game where people were jerks to each other and we accepted that because that was the name of the game.
Whatever
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Re: Low Rule Day
Exactly, you get it!Miauw wrote:yeah i agree ss13 shouldnt be about having fun, it should be about making sure other people dont have fun.Malkevin wrote:People that remember when the game was a game where people were jerks to each other and we accepted that because that was the name of the game.
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Re: Low Rule Day
Wow, I'm so used to not liking sticky's policy I don't even know what to say about it now that he's summed up my biggest discontent with the policies thus far, and a decent workable solution for them.
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Re: Low Rule Day
This is what our ruleset started out as. The reason why it's the bloated mass it is today is because people kept toeing The Line, asking where The Line was, and complaining that The Line was too vague, even though everyone with half a brain cell can figure out rules like these.
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I've come a long ways from asking how to switch hands.
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Re: Low Rule Day
No the problem was that people took the don't be a dick rule to mean everyone needs to be nice to each other, whilst completely ignoring the don't be a cry baby rule.
Then more and more rules got added to that and the above problem became more and more pronounced as the bullied kids become server police and there was nothing to stop them adding more hand holding rules.
Then more and more rules got added to that and the above problem became more and more pronounced as the bullied kids become server police and there was nothing to stop them adding more hand holding rules.
- Stickymayhem
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Re: Low Rule Day
I said probably. Players have a very slim view of what's going on. An admin is an observing third party not involved in the conflict with full access to almost any kind of log they need. Admin's make mistakes by being sloppy or getting overwhelmed and confused by all that info sometimes but it's still true that admins probably know more about the situation than anyone else involved.Malkevin wrote:I'm just going to assume that this is badly phrased rather than yell at you.Stickymayhem wrote:Players need to accept that the admins probably know best
Boris wrote:Sticky is a jackass who has worms where his brain should be, but he also gets exactly what SS13 should be
- Not-Dorsidarf
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Re: Low Rule Day
For clarification, Stickeh means "When you ahelp ' is george melons killin me valid??!?!?' " not "All the time".
Information is power
With great power comes great responsibility
I don't rememebr the rest of the joke
Information is power
With great power comes great responsibility
I don't rememebr the rest of the joke
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
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Re: Low Rule Day
Go eat a thesaurus and rule the world.Not-Dorsidarf wrote:For clarification, Stickeh means "When you ahelp ' is george melons killin me valid??!?!?' " not "All the time".
Information is power
With great power comes great responsibility
I don't rememebr the rest of the joke
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