<NikNakFlak> Who did he even get access to perma as a detective
<NikNakFlak> how*
<NikNakFlak> HoP?
<Scones> I wasn't really paying attention at that point, officer was around there but he let himself in to kill me later on
<Scones> (I had thermals, he entered unassisted)
<NikNakFlak> and straightjacketed the corpse? <NikNakFlak> or were you already
<Scones> And hid it in the dark sanitarium
<leibniz> why were you arrested later on
<Scones> who knows, leibniz? I like it when hud-wearing detective silently taze and arrest me
<Scones> It was a stupid meta search and he had spent the whole round doing silly shit like that
The clown's all access ID that he used to lock us in the prison wing three times I believe.
That's how I got into Perma. Just as a point now, If I was metagaming and thinking those mesons were thermals (I wasn't) then why weren't they removed when you got to perma?.
It wasn't a stupid meta search, You were acting shifty. The other officer even said when you were arrested that it wasn't random. Feel free to check that part of the log since it's conveniently omitted. The other two times I searched people that round included justified investigation after sounds of violence and someone yelling over the radio that they were being shot. I arrive and the dude is standing right next to the bullet casings.
You draw your own conclusion from that.
<NikNakFlak> As he states, he's allowed to know what traitor items are what
<Scones> But is he allowed to search people because they are wearing mesons?
<NikNakFlak> is it meta to know that traitors can sometimes have mesons that are actually thermals?
<Scones> It's meta to search someone solely because they had mesons, all this guy does it meta and he has a horrible history of security with admins and players alike
<NikNakFlak> Is if it's code blue, mesons could be a reason. You were an assistant yes?
<NikNakFlak> Shitty, yes?
<NikNakFlak> But bannable, maybe not.
<NikNakFlak> As kor said, if you want to rule 0 him, do it. But you can't ban him for actually <Scones> But coming into perma and killing me, hiding the body for no reason beyond "I was an antagonist"
<NikNakFlak> not metagaming <NikNakFlak> again shitty <Scones> As Detective
<NikNakFlak> and against the rules because he executed you without permission
<NikNakFlak> kinda
<leibniz> i dont think mesons is a good reason
<NikNakFlak> he claims captain and HoS were not responding
<NikNakFlak> It's not a good reason
<NikNakFlak> but it's not really bannable
<Scones> I mean I will cede that meson search is a grey area but noreason execution
<Scones> like
<NikNakFlak> unless we start putting restrictions on antag objects
<leibniz> well, depends on what the arrest was for
<NikNakFlak> knowledge
<Scones> My understanding, NikNak, of reasonable antag knowledge
<NikNakFlak> meson search is a bullshit reason but not bannable. Makes him a powergaming cunt, but not a rule breaker.
<Scones> has always been like, if you have it in hand you can know shit about it, but if someone is wearing mesons you shouldnt instantly think THOSE COULD BE THERMAL
<Scones> and then use that as grounds to search
If I wanted to use mesons as grounds to search you, I'd have done it far sooner than I did.
You were eventually searched for acting shifty as fuck, As I said sprinting into maint the split second any of us came near you, skulking around the same areas of maint and coming out of a room with a blood trail at the end.
Just to reiterate, you were not searched because you had mesons. That is stupid, your behavior got you searched not mesons. If it was Mesons I'd have taken them. I didn't even bother , I didn't even think about the mesons.
(Posting this now but will edit in the rest as I do each bit).
<NikNakFlak> Didnt you claim to be able to break out of perma scones?
<Scones> I said it was doable "if power was on and I had internals" of which there was VERY obviously neither
<NikNakFlak> Well I've broken out of perma without either
<NikNakFlak> :_: <Scones> comes into the unlit perma, opens door, i said AHGAHJGHAGHAG and he killed me
<NikNakFlak> but hmm <leibniz> he says he thought the mesons were stolen, which is retarded, not because they were thermals
<NikNakFlak> So he's being a lying shit but due to the nature of the lie
<NikNakFlak> It's really unprovable
<Scones> Stickymayhem you should probably weigh in on the Tornadium thread because I know you have some thoughts on him
<NikNakFlak> I keep my distance
<NikNakFlak> but the ban is a large grey area <hotelbravolima> it's almost like we have a rule for this
<NikNakFlak> I've had to deal with one of his 10 year supportbus things
<hotelbravolima> eh nvm
<Scones> I mean he outright lied in PMs
<hotelbravolima> >players want more judgement calls
<Scones> and still isn't permabanned
<Scones> so
<hotelbravolima> >admins you must cite specific rules to remove shit people for being shit
<NikNakFlak> how did he outright lie?
<Scones> he said i attacked him in perma
<hotelbravolima> >if you cannot cite sufficient casus beli you aren't allowed to, you must continue to tolerate shit
<Scones> i opened a door and said AHGGHAGHA to which he shot me six times and batoned me until I was dead
<hotelbravolima> >also stop having all these foolish rules <leibniz> did you slip him
<Scones> in PMs he claimed I disarmed him
<NikNakFlak> You attacked his ears with your awful splurgy voice
<Scones> leibniz if I slipped him I would have killed him and greentexted and laughed a lot
<Scones> but i did not slip him nor did i make an attempt to do so
<leibniz> " he tries to slip me with the soap."
<NikNakFlak> did you have the soap
<Scones> the soap that never moved from its spawn point, although thats unprovable i guess
<Scones> nope
<NikNakFlak> unprovable yep
<Scones> yeah
<Scones> and then he killed me because "I didnt have restraints"
<NikNakFlak> whos fault is that?
<NikNakFlak> why did he even come back?
<Scones> why was he in perma with like 30 seconds til the shuttle docked if not for a prisoner transfer
<leibniz> even disarm attempts log in the combat log
<leibniz> that fail
First thing, I believe you only said "I just realized it's so easy to break out of this perma". I didn't hear anything about power. Petty I know but eh.
As I said prior, Why on earth would I not take thermals if in your mind I knew they were Thermals. Scones admitted to having the thermals, do you not think if they were such a big factor in my "murderboner" for valids I'd have taken them?
You tried to shove me into the soap, You failed and slipped on it. You even admit you would have killed me and green texted so please don't act like you had no intention of attacking me.
I had no cuffs left at the time, I had cuffs for the majority of the round. In that particular instance I was a little pressed for time and concerned that I couldn't see the second prisoner in his cell. I assumed that they had infact broken out as Scones boasted he could and I went to investigate.
<leibniz> i dont see disarm mentioned in the FNR thread regarding you
<leibniz> like, I dont see the claim
<leibniz> maybe it was in PMs
<Scones> he said it in the initial PMs
<NikNakFlak> and no one has bothered to pull logs
<Scones> amazingly
<NikNakFlak> logs the lord and savior of all things
<NikNakFlak> MY DOMAIN
<Scones> i mean i think in the end he did some really shitty stuff and he is really consistently shit
<Scones> contributing 0 to a department that def does not need more bad rep
<Scones> anyways im posting in the thread now
<Scones> also just stuff like
<leibniz> well its not like the prosecution did a good job in the thread
<Scones> >constantly shitting supportbus
<Scones> >makes a thread PRIOR to being banned
<NikNakFlak> If he lied in the PMs, he might get blown the fuck out, however the grey area with the antag items and how much is he allowed to know, etc.
<Scones> NikNakFlak see if you can find the part where he said disarm <Scones> 90% certain he did
Okay so, Did you ever find the part where I claimed you disarmed me? If I said that it was a complete lie, I'll put my hands up and say you didn't try to disarm me. You tried to slip me.
What did I do consistently shit that round hmm?
I was the only fucking person from the department who turned up to calls for assistance in a reasonable time. Hell the first dude I caught was sheer dumb luck with people in the bar hearing the violence and gibbing. The second person I caught was because someone shouted for help. The only "grey area" here is you. I don't contribute to the department by doing the job that security was failing spectacularly at doing that round?
I was already told I was getting banned, That wasn't going to change so I made the thread in advance so I could start setting the appeal up. I don't see the issue.